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[jackdanielsesq]

I notice that NK has threatened - again - to smite a 'thousand-fold' military strike against the US and its allies if it is provoked.What?! Another bad hair day for Herr Kim Jong?!
I dont see it helping the region, but can there seriously be any military risk to LOS & Co.?!
BR>Jack

[anothertorres]

S. Korea is the first target.

[EndofDays]

jackdanielsesq, on 2009-06-17 19:11:43, said:

I notice that NK has threatened - again - to smite a 'thousand-fold' military strike against the US and its allies if it is provoked.What?! Another bad hair day for Herr Kim Jong?!
I dont see it helping the region, but can there seriously be any military risk to LOS & Co.?!
BR>Jack

Every military complex, every communications center, every command and control cener, every air base in North Korea would be hit and destroyed within the first 48hrs.  How many subs do you think are sitting off their coast right now.  There are at least three battalions of M270A1 MLRS and several more under ROK command.  It has always been U.S. military strategy that in another war with North Korea it would be total war to the point of regime change, military disarmament and reunification with South Korea.  Even China is embarrassed by the North.  There is a reason they won't supply the North with modern weaponry, the newest tank they have in abundance ar T-55s, not even T-72s that were slaughtered by the U.S. in Iraq.  Yes, they have artillery but the vast majority is the old Soviet type that has non-rifled barrels and are used for mass fires (very innacurate).  Their air defense, while vast, is outdated and would never see B2s commng and their airforce is equipped with thirty year old jets.  But, in North Korea, the only group that is well-fed is the military and once they cannot be fed adequately than Kim has two choices, let the army rise up against him or use them.  What do you think thta whacko is going to do?

[Texpat]

DPRK is a joke.
Everything about it is laughable.

It's military wouldn't last 30 minutes without running out of gas or going hungry.

[Carib]

TEX ??? Where are you.......



Edit: Hahahahaha, how could I know you would comment here...Hahaha
You are soooo predictable

Edited by Carib, 2009-06-17 22:09:22.

[Lopburi99]

President Kennedy threatened war with the USSR during the Cuban missile crisis in 1962 with a naval blockage in the Atlantic.  JFK declared the U.S. should never allow missiles so close in range.  Now, Alaska and Hawaii are in range of NK missiles, soon if not already nuclear capable, which is even more intolerable since Kim is a madman.

Obama will be forced to do something major, and soon.  Hillary Clinton is already sensitive about NK because her husband and Secty of State Madeleine Albright were hoodwinked by Kim before, foolishly allowing his nuclear development to proceed and not taking a strong stand then.  Huge mistake, history will show.

Edited by Lopburi99, 2009-06-17 22:36:29.

[EndofDays]

Lopburi99, on 2009-06-17 22:12:40, said:

President Kennedy threatened war with the USSR during the Cuban missile crisis in 1962 with a naval blockage in the Atlantic. JFK declared the U.S. should never allow missiles so close in range. Now, Alaska and Hawaii are in range of NK missiles, soon if not already nuclear capable, which is even more intolerable since Kim is a madman.

Obama will be forced to do something major, and soon.

Obama will "wait and see" because he does not want to be seen as pushing American values.  As usual, the U.S. will have to wait to be attacked and the U.S. military will then slap them back to the stone age...actually, they are in the stone age so now so it might be an improvement.

[sanook2me]

North Korea! That job will take hours and days to finish the US / UN will not make the mistakes of Iraq/Croatia/Afganistan.

Get in demolish the armed forces change government start rebuilding no internal conflicts once the North Koreans see that their Southern cousins have a chicken in the oven every day and 2 cars on the drive instead of the Norths chickens in the garden and no cars on the drive.

End of mad NK and the craziness.

[Lopburi99]

EndofDays, on 2009-06-17 11:30:54, said:

Lopburi99, on 2009-06-17 22:12:40, said:

President Kennedy threatened war with the USSR during the Cuban missile crisis in 1962 with a naval blockage in the Atlantic. JFK declared the U.S. should never allow missiles so close in range. Now, Alaska and Hawaii are in range of NK missiles, soon if not already nuclear capable, which is even more intolerable since Kim is a madman.

Obama will be forced to do something major, and soon.

Obama will "wait and see" because he does not want to be seen as pushing American values. As usual, the U.S. will have to wait to be attacked and the U.S. military will then slap them back to the stone age...actually, they are in the stone age so now so it might be an improvement.

I hope protecting America from a nuclear attack by an unpredictable lunatic is not considered as pushing American values, although I understand your point.  All these problems are happening at a very inopportune time for Obama.  He wants everything to be get-along-time internationally until he has time to get his social change agenda done at home.  He wants no diversions or distractions now, but crazy Kim can push a button at any time and O knows that.

Edited by Lopburi99, 2009-06-17 22:52:43.

[EndofDays]

Lopburi99, on 2009-06-17 22:43:55, said:

EndofDays, on 2009-06-17 11:30:54, said:

Lopburi99, on 2009-06-17 22:12:40, said:

President Kennedy threatened war with the USSR during the Cuban missile crisis in 1962 with a naval blockage in the Atlantic. JFK declared the U.S. should never allow missiles so close in range. Now, Alaska and Hawaii are in range of NK missiles, soon if not already nuclear capable, which is even more intolerable since Kim is a madman.

Obama will be forced to do something major, and soon.

Obama will "wait and see" because he does not want to be seen as pushing American values. As usual, the U.S. will have to wait to be attacked and the U.S. military will then slap them back to the stone age...actually, they are in the stone age so now so it might be an improvement.

I hope protecting America from a nuclear attack is not considered as pushing American values, although I understand your point. All these problems are happening at a very inopportune time for Obama. He wants everything to be get-along-time internationally until he has time to get his social change agenda done at home. He wants no diversions or distractions now, but crazy Kim can push a button at any time and O knows that.

But it should not at be cost of military stature and, especially, military lives.  What will happen if North Korea makes the first move?  Will Obama wait and see to see the rest of the world reacts?  No matter what people thought of Bush, I guarantee you that within seconds of hearing of a north korean attack, or an imminent north korean attack, he would unleash the militry.  Obama has zero conceptual grasp of the militray and I am afraid his "lets see what our allies think we should do" will result in militry losses.

[jackdanielsesq]

Have to go along with the crowd here - but think KFC rather than JFK approach is the way we need to go.
Colonialism is a massive tool. Besides they need a break from eating hay & grass.
Feeling much better now - gonna pour myself a couple fresh, very brown, single barrels, in a fresh crystal whiskey glass - salute!!.
BR>Jack

[Lopburi99]

EndofDays, on 2009-06-17 11:49:26, said:

Lopburi99, on 2009-06-17 22:43:55, said:

EndofDays, on 2009-06-17 11:30:54, said:

Lopburi99, on 2009-06-17 22:12:40, said:

President Kennedy threatened war with the USSR during the Cuban missile crisis in 1962 with a naval blockage in the Atlantic. JFK declared the U.S. should never allow missiles so close in range. Now, Alaska and Hawaii are in range of NK missiles, soon if not already nuclear capable, which is even more intolerable since Kim is a madman.

Obama will be forced to do something major, and soon.

Obama will "wait and see" because he does not want to be seen as pushing American values. As usual, the U.S. will have to wait to be attacked and the U.S. military will then slap them back to the stone age...actually, they are in the stone age so now so it might be an improvement.

I hope protecting America from a nuclear attack is not considered as pushing American values, although I understand your point. All these problems are happening at a very inopportune time for Obama. He wants everything to be get-along-time internationally until he has time to get his social change agenda done at home. He wants no diversions or distractions now, but crazy Kim can push a button at any time and O knows that.

But it should not at be cost of military stature and, especially, military lives. What will happen if North Korea makes the first move? Will Obama wait and see to see the rest of the world reacts? No matter what people thought of Bush, I guarantee you that within seconds of hearing of a north korean attack, or an imminent north korean attack, he would unleash the militry. Obama has zero conceptual grasp of the militray and I am afraid his "lets see what our allies think we should do" will result in militry losses.

But EOD, a "first move" could be a nuclear bomb hitting Alaska!  I don't see Obama (or the American people) being willing to risk waiting a NK first move.  I think unless China can somehow do something to force the de-nuclearization of NK, Obama has his hands tied and is in one hel_l of a predicament.

[Lopburi99]

jackdanielsesq, on 2009-06-17 11:54:11, said:

Have to go along with the crowd here - but think KFC rather than JFK approach is the way we need to go.
Colonialism is a massive tool. Besides they need a break from eating hay & grass.
Feeling much better now - gonna pour myself a couple fresh, very brown, single barrels, in a fresh crystal whiskey glass - salute!!.
BR>Jack

   Have a good night, Jack!

[Moonrakers]

When it comes to N. Korea, one usually thinks "Here we go again, what are they up to this time".

This has a different ring to it this time though as they genuinely seem to be pushing for a reaction rather than just rattling their toys. Lets not forget that Kim has been quite sick and is likely on his last legs, dementia could also have set in meaning that he is even more crazy than usual. Either way I reckon that he wants to go out with a bang.

Have a glance to the Middle East also and you'll see that their friends in Iran are having a bit of trouble and the last I heard is that all communication has been cut there.

This is like the Cuban missile crisis again, only this time those in charge of the 'other' side are not in control of their own faculties.

Let's hope this thread doesn't get closed soon. Personally I think that these events may affect the world which, of course, would include Thailand.

Edited by Moonrakers, 2009-06-17 23:08:52.

[Tywais]

Moved to Southeast Asia Forum and re-opened.

[ubonjoe]

This is a serious subject. A nuclear bomb set off anywhere can effect the entire world. And now even talk of chemical weapons.
This topic was reopened at the request of members so help to keep it open by not letting it degenerate into personal attacks, political comments. country bashing and etc.
To get an update on what has been going on have a look at this search on Yahoo news (even some football news).
http://news.search.y..._...F-8&rs=more

[Lopburi99]

Dick Morris, conservative commentator in the States, thinks Obama has already accepted Iran and N. Korea to be nuclear powers and will not act to stop this unless a direct attack occurs. Endofdays may be right.  Morris says in the case of Iran he will leave it up to the Israelis, and for N. Korea he will just continue tough talk but no more.  He has an interesting viewpoint.  He states all of Obama's actions will involve domestic social and financial problems only, will continue in Iraq and Afghanistan, but NO more conflict anywhere except for catastrophic issues.  I also continue to reference the Cuban missile crisis - this is the same thing, but the stakes and danger is much higher because of the instability of Kim.  Where will Kim stop?  What is his goal, his end game?  Scary.

[Crushdepth]

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Where will Kim stop?

When he dies (of natural causes). Which probably won't be that long. Be interesting to see what kind of fruitcake succeeds him.

[GraBangkok]

ubonjoe, on 2009-06-18 11:15:48, said:

This is a serious subject. A nuclear bomb set off anywhere can effect the entire world. And now even talk of chemical weapons.
This topic was reopened at the request of members so help to keep it open by not letting it degenerate into personal attacks, political comments. country bashing and etc.
To get an update on what has been going on have a look at this search on Yahoo news (even some football news).
http://news.search.y..._...F-8&rs=more

Thanks For Reopening, hope it stays open


Where do you get Your news from?

Most will already use this but if you don't  well worth a look


http://newsnow.co.uk...ea Nuclear Test

News indexed from 36433 sources updated every 5 minutes

[Gary A]

This is what happens when you have a lunatic dictator. I think China will eventually take care of the problem. In any case his threats will be his downfall.

[steelepulse]

I'm still trying to figure out why we give them food and aid whe they go ahead and do what they said they wouldn't do.  Makes no sense to me to give them rewards for lying and deceiving at every opportunity.

[ubonjoe]

GraBangkok, on 2009-06-18 13:57:20, said:

Where do you get Your news from?

Topic will stay open a long as everybody is nice.
Mostly from Yahoo news. I have it set as one of my home pages. They seem to have a good connection into Thailand and it's page loads are real fast. I only have a IPstar internet connect so that helpls. Plus their vidio feeds are about the only ones that run good for me.
Here is a new article I just read.
NKorea plans to fire missile toward Hawaii http://news.yahoo.co..._koreas_nuclear

[Lopburi99]

Crushdepth, on 2009-06-18 01:36:17, said:

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Where will Kim stop?

When he dies (of natural causes). Which probably won't be that long. Be interesting to see what kind of fruitcake succeeds him.

The next fruitcake will be his youngest son, only 23!   Last week I heard Kim had announced this son would be his successor.  He'll be offloading responsibilities quickly due to his failing health and to "train" the son - but you be sure the old man will be calling the shots from behind the scenes for quite some time, perhaps years to come.  Stay tuned....

Edited by Lopburi99, 2009-06-18 15:58:56.

[Lopburi99]

Gary A, on 2009-06-18 03:10:57, said:

This is what happens when you have a lunatic dictator....

I believe in the saying "The future is a mirror of the past", meaning if the lessons of history are not heeded, the future will yield the same again.  We all know about the famous lunatic rulers of the past, I don't need to name them.  IMHO, lunatic rulers/dictators must be confronted head-on for their reigns to be ended one way or another before more serious problems/atrocities occur.

Edited by Lopburi99, 2009-06-18 17:17:12.

[H2oDunc]

Firstly Obama needs to get off his ass and do something. He appears to have no idea what to do with this madman and is acting like a rabbit caught in the headlights. I can see both South Korea and Japan being given nuclear weapons to balance out the threat of the North. The pathetic UN can issue condemnations till it gets sick but Kim ain't going to listen or take any notice. Its time to play hard ball with these despots. I canot see China doing anything to stop him rattling his sabre so it will fall to the west yet again!