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[meelousee]

Jimbob1, on 2009-06-23 19:53:30, said:

Why not just tattoo a number on the arm's of all foreigners to keep track of them ....  I can't believe this ....  

Why not shove a gps id up their butts?

[12DrinkMore]

Aren't these Rohingya people the very same that the Thais like to tow out into the Andaman sea and leave to "drift to other shores"?

[meelousee]

Maestro, on 2009-06-23 21:15:59, said:

george, on 2009-06-23 14:24:20, said:

... measures aimed at improving compliance with immigration law...

Compliance with immigration law works both ways. Isn’t it in Phuket where immigration officers routinely ask foreigners applying for an extension of stay to pay 5,000 Baht although the regulatory fee is 1,900 Baht? Will Phuket Immigration Superintendent Chanatpol Yongbunjerd do something to make the officers comply with the rules and collect only the normal fee?
--
Maestro

NO

[Tafia]

Get real people...
Ive never heard so much bullshit complaints over nothin.
Tell me a country where you can book into a hotel without showing your passport? You think they only want to look at your pretty picture??
If countries like the UK had in place a system where immigrants where checked they wouldn't have over half a million illeagals running around the system.
I have to show my passport whenever I book into a hotel, my landlord had to inform Imm when I rented, I do 90 day reports....?????
As already stated, this requirement is Law, not directed at the tourist or the expat but the hoteliers and landlords of properties that rent out to foreigners, its those that the Imm Dept are tightening up on. Hotels also take the details of Thais who stay there.
Those of us who stay long term do 90 day reports, others do border crossings, whats the problem here??
Unless of course there are some who have something to hide!!
Paranoid beyond belief, another opportunity to kick at the Thais.
Things are not perfect here; but they are a long way better off than the places we left behind...otherwise we wouldn't be here would we?

Edited by Tafia, 2009-06-23 21:26:32.

[yeeowww]

It's really very simple KUFFKI...
You choose to live in Thailand and yet you seem to find Thai ways, practices, logic and cultural differences unacceptable. So what the hel_l are you doing here?!

My wife calls me "Moo" as a term of endearment. It's to frikkn' bad if you don't understand or can't get behind the Thai way. I don't especially like it but it's the thought that counts.

I highly suggest you get off your podium, pack up and get the hel_l out of here. If you can't adjust your way of thinking, you do not belong...

kuffki, on 2009-06-23 21:05:10, said:

One of the reasons stated was security for the ASEAN, HMMMMM may be government should worry more about their own people (red or yellow or navy or black or whatever else color) rather then tracking tourists.

For all those agreeing with the changes-SEEK help, you obviously either Thai or have over stayed in Thailand for too long and unable to use the brain

Why and what is the reason for having all foreigners reported?
What is the purpose of keeping this information?
Should it be a security concern, then how about training idiot guards to actually stay awake.
How about thorough checks on arrival
and how about training police force to respond rather then to extort?

There seems to be no limit to human right violations in this country, so i am really unsure why even bother to talk about democracy-it never was, and never will be in this country

Special note to some Thai's who are members of this board and are winging about insults. You (Thai's) insult us foreigners and tourists on hourly basis, starting from entering the country to simply buying water. Just the word farang is insulting enough. Either in the shop or doctors or anywhere, a non Thai should be addressed as customer or male or patient not "Oh Farang here"
Calling black people from Africa or US "Negro" is insulting yet all you Thai's do it.
Calling foreigner "oowan"-fat pig is insulting to any foreigner yet is perfectly acceptable to Thais.
So if you do not like the comments which you decide are insulting-GET OFF the board and learn to respect prior to demanding respect.

[sunholidaysun1]

If you can supply the names of those foreigners who paid the 5000bht , then we'll have em rounded up and deported - End of problem. lol . They should be deported back to their dumb as* countries they came from for paying it  !!

[sassienie]

As I have said many times in the past, visa runs should be terminated, all those applying to stay in Thailand long term should be imposed to use the non Immigrant visa process with a requirement that each applicant has a police letter from their home country confirming what is and what is not on file about them.

Those who are contravening the laws in Thailand create the tightening up of visa regulations for those of us who are legitimately living here long term.

[animatic]

ubonjoe, on 2009-06-23 20:21:25, said:

As said the reporting of foreigners is nothing new. It has been a requirement for many years.
This is merely a notice to business owners that they are craking down on them. And nothing more.

Pretty much as it has been.

Just bringing it back up on the radar,
and especially in light of the coming summit on Phuket.
And especially if the local gendarme must be seen to have
done something in advance, in case something goes wrong.
As was seen in Pattay and the sacrificial ouster of the local top cop.
A fall back position as it were.

[sunholidaysun1]

Tafia, on 2009-06-23 15:22:40, said:

Get real people...
Ive never heard so much bullshit complaints over nothin.
Tell me a country where you can book into a hotel without showing your passport? You think they only want to look at your pretty picture??
If countries like the UK had in place a system where immigrants where checked they wouldn't have over half a million illeagals running around the system.
As already stated, this requirement is Law, not directed at the tourist or the expat but the hoteliers and landlords of properties that rent out to foreigners, its those that the Imm Dept are tightening up on. Hotels also take the details of Thais who stay there.
Those of us who stay long term do 90 day reports, others do border crossings, whats the problem here??
Unless of course there are some who have something to hide!!
Paranoid beyond belief, another opportunity to kick at the Thais.
Things are not perfect here; but they are a long way better off than the places we left behind...otherwise we wouldn't be here would we?

I thought most of the immigrates in the UK came from "Wales '  

[noahvail]

cblunt, on 2009-06-23 20:31:43, said:

As far as the issue of security is concerned, this policy would make more sense if hotels/guesthouses were required to report all guests staying with them, including Thai nationals. Why would someone be considered a possible security threat for no other reason than them being a "foreigner"? Are hotels required to routinely record and report details of their Thai guest's identity cards when they check in?

Chris

Good questions.  For the first, yes, depends on how they are profiling people.  For the second, I don't know, but whenever my wife and I stay in Bangkok, I show my passport, and my wife shows her Thai ID card;  the hotel requests both, probably for their own protection (to make sure she's not a foreigner).

That being said, anytime we've stayed in hotels around our home in Issan, we've never had to show anything except cash

[Lite Beer]

Maestro, on 2009-06-23 21:15:59, said:

george, on 2009-06-23 14:24:20, said:

... measures aimed at improving compliance with immigration law...

Compliance with immigration law works both ways. Isn’t it in Phuket where immigration officers routinely ask foreigners applying for an extension of stay to pay 5,000 Baht although the regulatory fee is 1,900 Baht? Will Phuket Immigration Superintendent Chanatpol Yongbunjerd do something to make the officers comply with the rules and collect only the normal fee?
--
Maestro

That was Samui unless Phuket have the same special promotions.  

[rexall]

Jimbob1, on 2009-06-23 19:53:30, said:

Why not just tattoo a number on the arm's of all foreigners to keep track of them ....  I can't believe this ....  

Tattoos are not necessary as it is already fairly easy to visually identify foreigners . . . at least falang foreigners.  OK, so tattoo all the foreigners who might be able to pass for Thai in a crowd.  

[Tafia]

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I thought most of the immigrates in the UK came from "Wales '

You may have a point!! Their fault for building the bridge and people think the Visa fee here is steep try driving over the Severn Bridge..

Edited by Tafia, 2009-06-23 21:33:09.

[Sophon]

Maestro, on 2009-06-23 21:15:59, said:

Compliance with immigration law works both ways. Isn’t it in Phuket where immigration officers routinely ask foreigners applying for an extension of stay to pay 5,000 Baht although the regulatory fee is 1,900 Baht? Will Phuket Immigration Superintendent Chanatpol Yongbunjerd do something to make the officers comply with the rules and collect only the normal fee?
--
Maestro

No, I believe that is Koh Samui.

Sophon

[luangtom]

[quote name='glegolo'
If Thailand has problems, and Thailand wishes to address them in certain ways.
I think it is fair to let them.
All countries that I know of, is trying to keep track of
their foreigners..

Glegolo
[/quote] By a;; means countries have the right to govern their borders. Just look how
well the USA does it with their's....20-million illegals that Obama wants to make legal.

[sunholidaysun1]

sassienie, on 2009-06-23 15:23:56, said:

As I have said many times in the past, visa runs should be terminated, all those applying to stay in Thailand long term should be imposed to use the non Immigrant visa process with a requirement that each applicant has a police letter from their home country confirming what is and what is not on file about them.

Those who are contravening the laws in Thailand create the tightening up of visa regulations for those of us who are legitimately living here long term.

I think all foreigners here should have all their money taken from them , their cars, motorbikes , houses and land and then be kicked out of Thailand , OH , thats whats happening now , I forgot .

[BCP]

I got it all now........immigration office changes, visa rule changes, world reccession, shut down swampy airport...it was all designed to cut down on the number of tourists visiting Thailand.

They were preparing the ground for not having to report too many farangs....keeping the paperwork down....very green...chop down less trees etc.

[Michigan]

cblunt, on 2009-06-23 09:31:43, said:

Are hotels required to routinely record and report details of their Thai guest's identity cards when they check in?

Chris

Yes they are and every day an officer on a motorbike comes by to collect the Thai girls (boys) name !

[luangtom]

[quote name='glegolo'
If Thailand has problems, and Thailand wishes to address them in certain ways.
I think it is fair to let them.
All countries that I know of, is trying to keep track of
their foreigners..

Glegolo
[/quote] By all means countries have the right to govern their borders. Just look how
well the USA does it with their's....20-million illegals that Obama wants to make legal.

[Grumbles]

jaapfries, on 2009-06-23 20:25:47, said:

russianrobert, on 2009-06-23 20:07:29, said:

Jimbob1, on 2009-06-23 19:53:30, said:

Why not just tattoo a number on the arm's of all foreigners to keep track of them .... I can't believe this ....

Don't the Thais have the right to ensure those who come into and stay in the country are ligitimate? Many countries in the world have registration systems to provide information on who is living where and for how long. What's the problem?
It's no hardship for the foreigner, it's the guesthouse or hotel that has to provide the info and like i say many other countries do the same.
With the security situation in Thailand and the world the way it is ithink it's well over due!

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HEY MISTER PANIC-PERSON (and you're obviously not the only oe on this litle forum !) : Why don;t you slow down and relize a few things:

1. We ARE all guests in this brilliant country
2. Last time in Pattaya, no measures (security) to speak of, were taken and look what happened there
3. Whenever you write your comments; PRETEND hat some Thai people are reading this forum too . . . . .

"Yellow-Stars" and "Tatoo'd Numbers-on-arms", what a bunch of super rude and extremely infantile suggestions; certainly show the level of thought some of these people are (only) capable of.

Just because a web-site forum is a "printed" media, doesn't mean that you can just write anything (like the super-insults which appeared here), only morons of epic proportions do this; I just bet your mouths aren't half as big, when it comes to person-to-person communications.

Let's all behave ourselves.

BTW; this system of ospitality Industry reporting excists in many other civilized countries; maybe check out your own country, before criticizing the one you have chosen to live in ?

I must admit, sometimes some of the comments are a bit insulting to the Thai people, surely if a person thinks the place hopeless and still stays here then they should possibly question they're own intelligence.
Thailand is, unfortunately, catching up with the rest of the over-governed "civilized" countries, but I guess if they don't move with the times then they will be exploited or left behind.  
I think any measures to counter terrorism have to be good

[sunholidaysun1]

sunholidaysun1, on 2009-06-23 15:31:51, said:

sassienie, on 2009-06-23 15:23:56, said:

As I have said many times in the past, visa runs should be terminated, all those applying to stay in Thailand long term should be imposed to use the non Immigrant visa process with a requirement that each applicant has a police letter from their home country confirming what is and what is not on file about them.

Those who are contravening the laws in Thailand create the tightening up of visa regulations for those of us who are legitimately living here long term.

I think all foreigners here should have all their money taken from them , their cars, motorbikes , houses and land and then be kicked out of Thailand , OH , thats whats happening now , I forgot .

DONT WORRY, never mind , its OK , stop panicing , keep your hair on ,   , Do what I have done, get yourself a wench as your girlfriend from the immigration office. I dont go anywhere , I just give her my passport and hey presto a long stay stamp logged on computer and it only costs me my time inbed with her , LUCKY ME    

[thirdeyedmt]

perhaps we could wear little armbands, they could be white in color and maybe have a little star on them, ooops i forgot the germans used that. i wonder how long it wil be before the confiscate our property and spit on us as we make our way to the airport

[Aachen]

LivinLOS, on 2009-06-23 20:39:45, said:

Really ?? name any modern / first world country that has to report foriegners details checking into a hotel ??

Although I don't pretend it to be "modern" it is first World:   USA

[CosmicSurfer]

jaapfries, on 2009-06-23 20:25:47, said:

1. We ARE all guests in this brilliant country

....

....  the one you have chosen to live in ?

You call yourself a"Guest".... Then say you live here... Please decide!!

I, for one, understand the definition of the word "Guest", and I most certainly am NOT a Guest here.... You don't treat Guests the way that they treat farangs, so it's no wonder so many are over-reacting and reading between the lines.

I stopped being a guest the moment I moved here to LIVE. I reject that racist title. I live here.. I have a right to gripe... for Me... For my Thai Wife who is mistreated and discriminated against by her own government,... and for the children we hope to have... I have a right to rebel for all of them... so Please stop calling me a guest here... unless you plan on paying for my dinner and showing me a good time!

CS

Edited by CosmicSurfer, 2009-06-23 21:40:53.

[atyclb]

Perhaps one/some of the summit attending countries requested this for security? whether it is valid or for show remains to be seen. It is the very system in Thailand that leads to the environment so many non thai's find appealing enough to relocate and/or vacation. The system that creates 25 baht papaya salad and 5 baht sticky rice and a slew of other nice food. Now Italian food is quite pricey, who would one complain to, the Thai government or to Mr. Berlesconi?