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Posted 2009-06-29 13:26:58
 sunholidaysun1, on 2009-06-29 12:06:55, said:
ubonjoe, on 2009-06-29 02:33:11, said: It does not matter how many of them have consulates or embassies. There is such a thing as postal and courier sevices that easily resolves that problem.
A small typo at 6 AM. It just makes it a higher number that don't get free entries.
The point was that their are a lot of people in the world that don't get free entries. There are lot of people posting on this forum that seem to think the entrire world can enter Thailand for free.
I dont think there are many who come here from all those other countries (120 that you stated ) that have to pay. There maybe 203 countries in the world but if you want to talk statistics then show me some how many people are coming here from those 120 countries.!!
The number is 152 because you have to include the 22 that can get visas on arrival because they do normally pay 1000 baht for the 15 day stay they get.
For 2007 about 220,000 give or take a bit.
Source: http://www2.tat.or.t.../0107/nat-1.xls
Posted 2009-06-29 13:29:39
beechguy, on 2009-06-29 12:58:32, said: Condo_bk, on 2009-06-29 10:51:59, said: There are also some people that seem to think that it is easy to get a visa, even if there is no consulates or embassies in your country/city.
The main reason so many countries do not have consulates or embassies simply because there is no reason to have one - no tourists.
If one wants to have more tourists, simply set up more consulates or embassies worldwide. This is a way to go, unless you want to allow visa on arrival for all.
BTW, for your information, not all of 152 countries have the postal and courier services either. And individual travelers are rarely use it, it is mostly for group travel.
Oh really. How many countries don't have some type of postal or courier service?
Even if an individual doesn't have an embassy or consulate in their own country, there is no reason not to send an application to another country. And, there are quite a few individuals that apply by post, happens on a regular basis in the U.S.
You can't compare the situation in the U.S. and the rest of the world, especially the 3rd world countries. U.S. BTW doesn't belong in that group of 152 or so countries. The exempt of visa fees was not intended for U.S. tourists.
Re: " some type of postal or courier service"
One needs a reliable service to send out a passport.
You may think that it is easy, but you definitely don't speak from experience...
Posted 2009-06-29 13:38:04
Condo_bk, on 2009-06-29 13:29:39, said: beechguy, on 2009-06-29 12:58:32, said: Condo_bk, on 2009-06-29 10:51:59, said: There are also some people that seem to think that it is easy to get a visa, even if there is no consulates or embassies in your country/city.
The main reason so many countries do not have consulates or embassies simply because there is no reason to have one - no tourists.
If one wants to have more tourists, simply set up more consulates or embassies worldwide. This is a way to go, unless you want to allow visa on arrival for all.
BTW, for your information, not all of 152 countries have the postal and courier services either. And individual travelers are rarely use it, it is mostly for group travel.
Oh really. How many countries don't have some type of postal or courier service?
Even if an individual doesn't have an embassy or consulate in their own country, there is no reason not to send an application to another country. And, there are quite a few individuals that apply by post, happens on a regular basis in the U.S.
You can't compare the situation in the U.S. and the rest of the world, especially the 3rd world countries. U.S. BTW doesn't belong in that group of 152 or so countries. The exempt of visa fees was not intended for U.S. tourists.
Re: " some type of postal or courier service"
One needs a reliable service to send out a passport.
You may think that it is easy, but you definitely don't speak from experience...
I'm not just comparing the situation in the U.S. My career involves alot of travel, and some are not very nice places. I assure you, I do know what I'm talking about, and speak from 12 years of experience. DHL, Fedex, and others, operate from almost everywhere.
Perhaps you should do a little research.
Posted 2009-06-29 13:39:39
ubonjoe,
Do you seriously think that TAT have a clue in regards to the worldwide tourists arrivals. Such data could be obtained from airlines maybe. But also not easy. How many countries have flights to Thailand?
Posted 2009-06-29 13:48:57
beechguy, on 2009-06-29 13:38:04, said: Condo_bk, on 2009-06-29 13:29:39, said: beechguy, on 2009-06-29 12:58:32, said: Condo_bk, on 2009-06-29 10:51:59, said: There are also some people that seem to think that it is easy to get a visa, even if there is no consulates or embassies in your country/city.
The main reason so many countries do not have consulates or embassies simply because there is no reason to have one - no tourists.
If one wants to have more tourists, simply set up more consulates or embassies worldwide. This is a way to go, unless you want to allow visa on arrival for all.
BTW, for your information, not all of 152 countries have the postal and courier services either. And individual travelers are rarely use it, it is mostly for group travel.
Oh really. How many countries don't have some type of postal or courier service?
Even if an individual doesn't have an embassy or consulate in their own country, there is no reason not to send an application to another country. And, there are quite a few individuals that apply by post, happens on a regular basis in the U.S.
You can't compare the situation in the U.S. and the rest of the world, especially the 3rd world countries. U.S. BTW doesn't belong in that group of 152 or so countries. The exempt of visa fees was not intended for U.S. tourists.
Re: " some type of postal or courier service"
One needs a reliable service to send out a passport.
You may think that it is easy, but you definitely don't speak from experience...
I'm not just comparing the situation in the U.S. My career involves alot of travel, and some are not very nice places. I assure you, I do know what I'm talking about, and speak from 12 years of experience. DHL, Fedex, and others, operate from almost everywhere.
Perhaps you should do a little research.
I can't comment on your experience with DHL, Fedex, and others.
I'm in the travel business in Thailand for almost two decades.
Tourist Visa to Thailand is a big problem for tourists in many countries worldwide.
Posted 2009-06-29 14:00:06
Quote I'm not just comparing the situation in the U.S. My career involves alot of travel, and some are not very nice places. I assure you, I do know what I'm talking about, and speak from 12 years of experience. DHL, Fedex, and others, operate from almost everywhere.
Perhaps you should do a little research. Quote I can't comment on your experience with DHL, Fedex, and others.
I'm in the travel business in Thailand for almost two decades.
Tourist Visa to Thailand is a big problem for tourists in many countries worldwide.
How is it a problem and which countries? All of the visa application forms I've seen, are one page, ask for basic information, such as passport information, an address or two and a couple of photos, sometimes more than one copy is required for certain nationalities. Submit with payment, passport, wait a few days.. done. If that's too difficult, then perhaps it is better they stay home or ask for help from someone more knowledgeble.
Edited by ubonjoe, 2009-06-29 14:19:36.
fixed quotes ubonjoe
Posted 2009-06-29 14:12:13
Condo_bk, on 2009-06-29 13:39:39, said: ubonjoe,
Do you seriously think that TAT have a clue in regards to the worldwide tourists arrivals. Such data could be obtained from airlines maybe. But also not easy. How many countries have flights to Thailand?
From the bottom of the TAT data that I gave a link to.
Quote Source of data : Immigration Bureau, Police Department
Posted 2009-06-29 14:14:14
beechguy,
Re: Just one form, what's the problem...
As I've said. You think that you know the issue, but you don't. And your careless attitude (similar to those that managing the TAT) is not a substitute for knowledge and experience in the travel business.
Posted 2009-06-29 14:14:39
*deleted stuff because too many quotes
from JR Texas:
Getting a tourist visa to visit Thailand can be a totally insane process. Most of the time you have to ask around to find out which foreign Thai embassy is giving out tourist visas and how many, etc.
I remember, maybe six or seven years ago, taking a trip to PP in Cambodia for the precise purpose of getting a tourist visa (wanted a double entry). They would not give me (or anybody else) any visa. Incredible! Total waste of my time.
And if you enter without a tourist visa and then want to get one, they force you to leave the country and come back when they could easily give you the visa at any immigration checkpoint within the country.
Crazy system.......will they ever learn? I doubt it.
Posted 2009-06-29 17:30:34
Condo_bk, on 2009-06-29 14:14:14, said: beechguy,
Re: Just one form, what's the problem...
As I've said. You think that you know the issue, but you don't. And your careless attitude (similar to those that managing the TAT) is not a substitute for knowledge and experience in the travel business.
Well I asked a question, why don't you explain it? The fact is, for many people it is just about as simple as I described it. Other than the application, I have seen some requests for supporting documents, but nothing out of line with other countries.
You can't explain the problem, you don't know that nearly every country has a workable postal system, or courier service of some type that people can use to process their applications. Geez, I wonder why you may be having problems with the travel business.
I will be happy to backup anything I say with facts. How about you? Apparently, you can't. So, again, which of those many countries or tourist are having problems?
Edited by beechguy, 2009-06-29 17:54:41.
Posted 2009-06-29 17:33:19
JR Texas, on 2009-06-29 14:14:39, said: *deleted stuff because too many quotes
from JR Texas:
Getting a tourist visa to visit Thailand can be a totally insane process. Most of the time you have to ask around to find out which foreign Thai embassy is giving out tourist visas and how many, etc.
I remember, maybe six or seven years ago, taking a trip to PP in Cambodia for the precise purpose of getting a tourist visa (wanted a double entry). They would not give me (or anybody else) any visa. Incredible! Total waste of my time.
And if you enter without a tourist visa and then want to get one, they force you to leave the country and come back when they could easily give you the visa at any immigration checkpoint within the country.
Crazy system.......will they ever learn? I doubt it.
And how is obtaining a visa for Thailand much different than obtaining one for another country? Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Indonesia come to mind? So they also have a crazy system?
Edited by beechguy, 2009-06-29 17:53:28.
Posted 2009-06-29 18:16:46
ubonjoe,
I checked the TAT stats you referred to, and didn't find that number (For 2007 about 220,000) you mentioned.
They put the total number of tourist's arrivals for 2006 - 1,262,500 and for 2007 - 1,313,677.
Does it sounds as correct numbers for you?
Furthermore, altogether they have less than 50 countries mentioned.
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beechguy,
I don't want to bother any further arguing with you. I see that you're determined to fight to the bitter end, regardless of logic, facts and arguments.
Posted 2009-06-29 18:55:57
Condo_bk, on 2009-06-29 18:16:46, said: ubonjoe,
I checked the TAT stats you referred to, and didn't find that number (For 2007 about 220,000) you mentioned.
They put the total number of tourist's arrivals for 2006 - 1,262,500 and for 2007 - 1,313,677.
Does it sounds as correct numbers for you?
Furthermore, altogether they have less than 50 countries mentioned.
Just add the numbers for China, Taiwan, South Asia, Eastern Europe, Others for Europe, Others for Africa, Others for Middle East, Others for the Americas and all the remaining others and you will get a higher number than 220,000.
Use this list for the ones not to add into the total. http://www.mfa.go.th...t/ChartVisa.pdf
Posted 2009-06-29 18:57:02
Condo_bk, on 2009-06-29 18:16:46, said: ubonjoe,
I checked the TAT stats you referred to, and didn't find that number (For 2007 about 220,000) you mentioned.
They put the total number of tourist's arrivals for 2006 - 1,262,500 and for 2007 - 1,313,677.
Does it sounds as correct numbers for you?
Furthermore, altogether they have less than 50 countries mentioned.
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beechguy,
I don't want to bother any further arguing with you. I see that you're determined to fight to the bitter end, regardless of logic, facts and arguments.
No need to fight, just if someone makes a statement, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for details about what they are talking about. So, forget whatever else I said, can you just explain which many people, in which many countries, are having problems processing a tourist visa? Why do you think it's so difficult? Maylasia and some countries are more lenient, but what about the neighboring countries, are Thai requirements that much more strict than them?
Posted 2009-06-29 19:26:19
tropo, on 2009-06-26 17:15:24, said: MRFortuner, on 2009-06-26 13:32:51, said: LOLZ.
born and raised in msia. choose to stay in thailand. Frankly, Thailand = Malaysia. Same same na.
That's a pretty amazing conclusion you've come to. Thailand and Malaysia are bordering countries with nothing in common.
I agree. Amazing indeed. But then I gave up strident socialism at about the same time I gave up my nappies.
Fortuner, if you want an easy and objective way to compare, drive to Malaysia from Thailand, and observe the road system. You must have done this. It's a bit different once you pass the border ...
What the other chap said about the benefit of former colonisation is valid. I didn't want to state it myself though, hailing as I do from the former colonial power, so modesty forbids 
I do admit to blatant bias - I love the colonial echoes I feel in Malaysia. Must go now, it's 4pm so time for afternoon tea at the Governor's residence
(ps try it - unfortunately now named Carcosa Seri Negara, but still a jolly good tea, old chap).
Posted 2009-06-29 22:08:12
Nationals of the following countries may apply for Visa on Arrival
15 days
Bhutan
China
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Estonia
Hungary
India
Kazakhstan
Latvia
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Maldives
Mauritius
Oman
Poland
Russia
Saudi Arabia
Slovakia
Slovenia
Taiwan
Ukraine
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30 days
Australia
Austria
Belgium
Bahrain
Brunei
Canada
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Hong Kong
Iceland
Indonesia
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Japan
Kuwait
Luxembourg
Malaysia
Monaco
The Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Oman
The Philippines
Portugal
Qatar
Singapore
Spain
South Africa
Sweden
Switzerland
Turkey
UAE
UK
USA
Vietnam
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90 days
* Brazil
* Korea (ROK)
* Peru
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Bilateral Agreement
30 days
Hong Kong
Laos
Macau
Mongolia
Russia
Vietnam
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90 days
Argentina
Brazil
Chile
Korea (ROK)
Peru
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ubonjoe,
Nationals of China (64,494), Hong Kong (15,919) and Taiwan (33,883) (as you can see above) may apply for Visa on Arrival.
It's a total of 114,296. It's already more than half of what you have calculated.
Your other estimates are probably of the same fuzzy value. For example, what European countries can't get a visa on arrival?
P.S.
I have found an answer to my question - Belarus, which have a total of maybe 100 tourists or less.
Edited by Condo_bk, 2009-06-29 22:16:20.
Posted 2009-06-29 22:11:35
The second list you gave are not entitled to apply for a Visa On Arrival
In fact the first list is the only one that is entitled to a Visa on Arrival.
Not many European Nationals can get a Visa on Arrival.
Posted 2009-06-29 22:23:45
Re: Not many European Nationals can get a Visa on Arrival.
Can you name some (with the tourists potential)?
Posted 2009-06-29 22:29:59
Condo_bk, on 2009-06-29 22:23:45, said: Re: Not many European Nationals can get a Visa on Arrival.
Can you name some (with the tourists potential)?
Europeans who cannot get a Visa on Arrival.
UK, France, Italy , Belgium, Holland, Switzerland, Austria, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Greece , Sweden, Spain. etc.
Posted 2009-06-29 22:37:59
http://www.mfa.go.th...t/ChartVisa.pdf
Take a look at the above first, and then, come back to me.
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Posted 2009-06-29 22:39:18
To all ThaiVisa readers:
The following is to clarify my previous posting on ThaiVisa in regards to the further waiver of Tourist visa fees:
Firstly, I am not, and never have been, a formal "representative" of the Royal Thai Consulate-General in Calgary. My previous message was my own personal opinion and observations - they do not necessarily reflect those of the Honourary Consul-General in Calgary, the other Thai Honourary Consulates-General nor the Thai diplomatic posts around the world. I would like to forward my abject apologies to the Thai Government, the Thai diplomatic posts and Honourary Consulates-General around the world - again, the previous message was my feelings and opinions alone and I will accept all responsibility if I have inadvertently insulted anyone.
I did not expect such a reaction to my message - I was simply so incensed at the callous way some members of ThaiVisa reacted to the waiver of Tourist visa fees. Obviously they had no idea how Thai Honourary Consulates-General operated and I felt that someone should set them straight.
Thaical
Posted 2009-06-30 06:18:16
Condo_bk, on 2009-06-29 22:37:59, said:
An entry under visa exemption is not a visa on arrival nor are the ones on a bilateral agreement. They don't get a visa they get an entry stamp with a permit to stay.
Here is what I said in my last post.
Quote Just add the numbers for China, Taiwan, South Asia, Eastern Europe, Others for Europe, Others for Africa, Others for Middle East, Others for the Americas and all the remaining others and you will get a higher number than 220,000.
Use this list for the ones not to add into the total. http://www.mfa.go.th...t/ChartVisa.pdf
I included those that can get visas on arrival in my number. But not those on visa exemption or bilateral agreements.
There are not any on the visa exemption list from eastern europe.
You could subtract those on visa exemption and bilateral agreements from the total number of tourists and get a number also.
Posted 2009-06-30 06:29:49
Condo_bk, on 2009-06-29 22:37:59, said:
That is exactly the document I was referring to and it states quite clearly who can apply for a Visa On Arrival.
Posted 2009-06-30 09:00:28
Yea, what you're saying is, visa is not a permission to enter and stay.
I rest my case. There is nothing more I can contribute to this discussion.
After all, you are the Super Moderators. Super being the keyword.
Posted 2009-06-30 09:11:11
Lite Beer, on 2009-06-30 06:29:49, said: Condo_bk, on 2009-06-29 22:37:59, said:
That is exactly the document I was referring to and it states quite clearly who can apply for a Visa On Arrival.
You probably have some heavier drink or two, if you can't see the countries you mentioned previously on that list.
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