125 replies to this topic
Posted 2009-07-01 12:53:47
 ophelia, on 2009-06-30 23:29:28, said:
"To me it is 10 times worse when a woman victimises another woman in this way instead of a man doing it. "
TheLaughingMan...
what? 10 time worse for a woman to commit this crime than it is for a man?
You have to be kidding.
How about the fact that these types of crimes are committed by men well over 10 times more often than the same crime committed by women.
Why is it that men find women committing crimes so much more offensive than if one of their 'brothers' do?
A man beats his wife to death, and that's "domestic violence", a woman retaliates against her abuser, and she's a murderer....
please.
Perhaps he meant to say that it's bad enough if a man does that and that we don't need women themselves using other women in such way. Is that what you meant laughing man or are you having a laugh..
Posted 2009-07-01 13:05:06
You can read my response on the first page.
Edited by TheLaughingMan, 2009-07-01 13:05:52.
Posted 2009-07-01 13:06:37
wow I dont know what to say.
happens alot though more than we read about.
Posted 2009-07-01 13:25:12
It's all about money, everything is business. Undoubtedly there is a wealthy bar owner in South Africa that sees his profit skyrocketing by getting a few pretty young Thai girls "entertaining" his guests.....then there is a Thai guy who "knows some people"....and somewhere down the line there were these 3 women who were surely offered a pretty penny for sorting these girls out. In the end, it all boils down to people with power, abusing that power, and 3rd world people longing for a better life, being the pawns in this chess game called life. Drug trafficking, human trafficking - same same, not so different.
Posted 2009-07-01 13:30:32
d0om4gloom, on 2009-07-01 00:01:51, said: jeroentak, on 2009-06-30 23:45:35, said: I am not so sure if these girls are 100% innocent.
Are you kidding ?
These girls would have been manipulated for someone else's profit, would have been very young, totally naive and not had a clue about what was to happen to them. How the hel_l do you think trafficers operate ?
I'm sorry but I failed to read that the girls were very young, totally naive and didn't have a clue in the article. There simply is not that much information. They could have been thirty years of age and working as prostitutes all their adult lives as far as we know from the article. Assumptions are being made. As for human trafficing of sex workers, it should be stopped whether the victims are naive or experienced professionals.
Posted 2009-07-01 13:32:22
DP25, on 2009-07-01 00:08:10, said: d0om4gloom, on 2009-07-01 00:01:51, said: How the hel_l do you think trafficers operate ?
By taking prostitutes from the tens of thousands working willingly in Pattaya, Nana, and Soi Cowboy, many of whom are very eager to go abroad. Of course, when they get caught...
I agree. why would anyone risk taking naive girls when you could get a bus full in pattaya in 5 minutes, dosent make sense to me this,in a lot of cases when caught for prostituion in another country dont the girls aways shout rape ?. or claim they were coersed,.
Posted 2009-07-01 14:07:06
SPIKECM, on 2009-06-30 23:30:08, said: wrecker, on 2009-06-30 23:03:15, said:
Thais are a lot less stupid than many farangs give them credit for.
Perhaps, but ONLY where money is concerned!
Posted 2009-07-01 14:10:06
I read in the paper the other day that girls as young as 13 are selling sex for money so they can buy designer clothes. They call it "compensated dating." I'm not trying to make a distinction between two things. It does help explain why the girls are so vulnerable. The people who take advantage are demonic.
Sorry. This was in Hong Kong. Not here.
Edited by Shotime, 2009-07-01 14:17:18.
Posted 2009-07-01 14:52:42
cocopops, on 2009-07-01 00:15:07, said: Maybe if "detained and forced" were rephrased as "kidnapped and gangraped" some posters would understand the point a little better?
They likely thought they were agreeing to work in a Thai style beer bar. And ended up as sex-slaves without even the freedom to come and go as they wished. Nothing that either girl may or may not have done in the past to earn money makes that Ok.
The mysogyny exhibited by some of the fuc_kwits in this forum is astonishing.
Could not agree more thats why so many of the people here can not belive the way these people behave.
Picking up news and developing news here has become a total waste of time. Thai visa needs to look at the moderation a lot better and stop this continual putting down of the Thai people.
We are none of us perfect but as you say these young girls were used as Sex slaves Raped ETC ETC. even a Thai prostitute has Human Rights.
I wonder how long this site can stay up and running with these type of comments.
Moderation is not just about the Law it is about common decent behaviour.
About time they put up a proper poll on what the members think about more key topics rather than internet access.
Posted 2009-07-01 15:10:38
Ave, on 2009-07-01 12:53:47, said: ophelia, on 2009-06-30 23:29:28, said: "To me it is 10 times worse when a woman victimises another woman in this way instead of a man doing it. "
TheLaughingMan...
what? 10 time worse for a woman to commit this crime than it is for a man?
You have to be kidding.
How about the fact that these types of crimes are committed by men well over 10 times more often than the same crime committed by women.
Why is it that men find women committing crimes so much more offensive than if one of their 'brothers' do?
A man beats his wife to death, and that's "domestic violence", a woman retaliates against her abuser, and she's a murderer....
please.
Perhaps he meant to say that it's bad enough if a man does that and that we don't need women themselves using other women in such way. Is that what you meant laughing man or are you having a laugh..
Its about time you started to read what was said and stop getting a Jack the Lad attitude on everything posted. The topic in question is about two women of what ever age and profession. They have been at least used for trafficing and Two people have been jailed. Are they guilty or not I do not Know but I know one thing I live in Thailand so I have to support the verdict of the court.
Women kills her husband in self defense or not. Everyone is on her side. Man does it no ones on there side thats the way human nature is in the western world.
As far as I am concerned I am pleased they have been put in the monkey farm.
Now visa regulations well lets not get into that. The site is called Thai Visa. Yes. Could have falled me.
Posted 2009-07-01 15:45:09
whitfield, on 2009-06-30 23:11:34, said: cocopops, on 2009-06-30 22:58:43, said: Quote the three women detained Ying and Noi and forced them to provide sexual services on an average of four customers per day
Seems they got off somewhat lightly if the above is what happened.
You're right about that. My ex got 8 years for stealing my ATM card.
Do you visit her in prison? Just curious.
John
Posted 2009-07-01 15:50:45
Is this not the same as kidnapping and holding a victim prisoner?
What would the minimum prison term and fines be for a person who kidnapps another person and imprisons her/him?
Posted 2009-07-01 16:53:18
sunholidaysun1, on 2009-07-01 01:21:32, said: I also wanted to reply to someone elses comment about the girls knowing full well what they are getting into.
It is possible that some of those offered fantastic salaries working abroad are unaware of what is install for them once they get there.
Here in Thailand its different. No one really speaks about the sex trade within the Thai community. I would think that nearly every village , someone at sometime has worked in the trade. Mothers before their daughters etc, but many girls go to work because their sister or friend is doing it and can get them the job. They see what there peers are getting out of it , WEALTH !!
In my village I know of some OLD women who used to ply the trade and some of the villagers daughters in the trade now , do what has been done for along time, supplying money to the family back home. Brick houses are going up everywhere , trucks and cars being bought, life styles improving greatly with the money being sent back from the earnings that without the trade they really would be far poorer.
Trafficing is being reported in the press and on the Thai news on TV , yet how are they going to stop the trade of prostitution within Thailand - Never.
There was at one point a reported 55,000 girls working in the trade in Pattaya alone. Every major city has bars and whorehouses / some massage parlours , even small villages can even have the Not so hush hush karaoki bars , everyone knows what goes on. Then down to the lower levels of Thai culture to have a mia noi or Gik , the ladies on the side for the Thai males plesure , but they also have to Pay.
Without the sex trade here , what would happen to all the sex trade workers and families right throughout Thailand ?
What would the government do with all the loss of revenue brought in from the travellers who spend millions of dollars a year here.
Its nieive to think that it will ever be stopped but every now and again reports about trafficing will hit the news or a few sex workers and their customers have been caught and arrested, that way it looks like the government / police are doing something about it, but actually doing NOTHING !!
They may have an inkling as to what they are going to do once there, but have no idea that the rules of the sex trade elsewhere are not the same as here....ie, working for the yakuza in Japan is a far far cry from working in a bar in Nana. At least here, there are a few outlets if the girl should have problems, nor is she asked to service 4 clients a day to "earn" back her passport.
Posted 2009-07-01 18:58:55
SPIKECM, on 2009-06-30 23:30:08, said: wrecker, on 2009-06-30 23:03:15, said: in general I am not really impressed with any embassy operating abroad, not with Western Embassies and not with Thai embassies. Their normal point of view is one of "som nam naa" and your own problem. Chapeau therefore that this embassy has reacted in a decent and great manner. Human trafficking should be stopped at all cost.
where does human trafficking begin and end? Should young girls in Shan State in Burma not be allowed a helping hand (paid for, of course) to make it across the border into Thailand? I know many stories of girls ending up in Thailand to a far better life than they would have otherwise have known in Burma. Most of the millions of Burmese living in Thailand would never be here without "human trafficking". So why stop it at all costs? In what capacity are you to stop any other human being's choice to do what they see as an improvement to their lot? Before you want to stop something at all cost you first have to define what "human trafficking" is.
I would argue that many human traffickers do a better job at solving world poverty than any fat UN bureaucrat. Just what have they ever done for the Burmese people?
Furthermore, I don't believe that there are many Thai girls so gullible as to believe that in such circumstances, they were heading to supply anything other than sexual services. Thais are a lot less stupid than many farangs give them credit for.
Hear hear....Well said that man 
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Posted 2009-07-02 02:58:01
sunholidaysun1, on 2009-07-01 05:21:32, said: I also wanted to reply to someone elses comment about the girls knowing full well what they are getting into.
It is possible that some of those offered fantastic salaries working abroad are unaware of what is install for them once they get there.
Here in Thailand its different. No one really speaks about the sex trade within the Thai community. I would think that nearly every village , someone at sometime has worked in the trade. Mothers before their daughters etc, but many girls go to work because their sister or friend is doing it and can get them the job. They see what there peers are getting out of it , WEALTH !!
In my village I know of some OLD women who used to ply the trade and some of the villagers daughters in the trade now , do what has been done for along time, supplying money to the family back home. Brick houses are going up everywhere , trucks and cars being bought, life styles improving greatly with the money being sent back from the earnings that without the trade they really would be far poorer.
Trafficing is being reported in the press and on the Thai news on TV , yet how are they going to stop the trade of prostitution within Thailand - Never.
There was at one point a reported 55,000 girls working in the trade in Pattaya alone. Every major city has bars and whorehouses / some massage parlours , even small villages can even have the Not so hush hush karaoki bars , everyone knows what goes on. Then down to the lower levels of Thai culture to have a mia noi or Gik , the ladies on the side for the Thai males plesure , but they also have to Pay.
Without the sex trade here , what would happen to all the sex trade workers and families right throughout Thailand ?
What would the government do with all the loss of revenue brought in from the travellers who spend millions of dollars a year here.
Its nieive to think that it will ever be stopped but every now and again reports about trafficing will hit the news or a few sex workers and their customers have been caught and arrested, that way it looks like the government / police are doing something about it, but actually doing NOTHING !!
Correct... Welcome to Thailand. What percentage of these bars and karaoki places especially up country are owned by police??? Quite a large one let me tell you. Why would the police shut down their own meal ticket, same same government. Many posters want to get their haeds and their arses wired together as are obviously still believing the Thai fantasy sold to tourists "Amazing".
great country, Great people, great culture. Just leave your western christian morality issues at the door, or pack up and go back to farang land. Simple. Loa to kon thai
Posted 2009-07-02 04:51:46
Phil_ne_uk, on 2009-07-01 14:07:06, said: SPIKECM, on 2009-06-30 23:30:08, said: wrecker, on 2009-06-30 23:03:15, said:
Thais are a lot less stupid than many farangs give them credit for.
Perhaps, but ONLY where money is concerned!
Posted 2009-07-02 04:53:12
Shotime, on 2009-07-01 14:10:06, said: I read in the paper the other day that girls as young as 13 are selling sex for money so they can buy designer clothes. They call it "compensated dating." I'm not trying to make a distinction between two things. It does help explain why the girls are so vulnerable. The people who take advantage are demonic.
Sorry. This was in Hong Kong. Not here.
What is going on in the world ?
Posted 2009-07-02 09:44:30
jeroentak, on 2009-07-01 00:16:14, said: Maybe they were already working
in a bar beer in Soi Cowboy or Nana complex or Pattaya.
What's your point? That beause a girl works in one of those bars they are open season to do whatever you can hold them against their will and do what you like?
Posted 2009-07-02 10:00:26
Has anyone got any more info on this? Info as in facts!!! not just speculation or personal experience. You know something that might just make this thread a little bit more pallatable.
Or better still something that could educate a few of the posters on here ontopic of course 
Posted 2009-07-02 11:33:19
jcsmith, on 2009-07-02 09:44:30, said: jeroentak, on 2009-07-01 00:16:14, said: Maybe they were already working
in a bar beer in Soi Cowboy or Nana complex or Pattaya.
What's your point? That beause a girl works in one of those bars they are open season to do whatever you can hold them against their will and do what you like?
Seriously, I feel sick just catching the moronic vibe from half the posters in this thread. Because they might have already been prostitutes (maybe) then its ok to lock them up, abuse them and slave them out with no freedom or happiness. What is wrong with some of you?
Posted 2009-07-02 15:12:03
ophelia, on 2009-06-30 23:29:28, said: "To me it is 10 times worse when a woman victimises another woman in this way instead of a man doing it. "
TheLaughingMan...
what? 10 time worse for a woman to commit this crime than it is for a man?
You have to be kidding.
How about the fact that these types of crimes are committed by men well over 10 times more often than the same crime committed by women.
Why is it that men find women committing crimes so much more offensive than if one of their 'brothers' do?
A man beats his wife to death, and that's "domestic violence", a woman retaliates against her abuser, and she's a murderer....
please.
He (thelaughingman) may have worded his sentence somewhat strangely...but I think I understand that he finds it abhorrent on the part of other women to pray on other women: perhaps he meant...and I say 'PERHAPS'...he meant that in a society where women appear (to naive occidental eyes in any case) to be second class citizens, their fellow women should know better and stick together. I may be wrong, but I wouldn't like to jump to conclusions...as that would make me look like a COMPLETE TOOL WOULDN'T IT?!
However, in your case, there seem to be less room for interpretation...
1) "...the fact that these types of crimes are committed by men well over 10 times more often than the same crime committed by women." Your "FACT" has paperwork and source material I presume, perhaps you'd like to share with us "MEN."
2) "...Why is it that men find women committing crimes so much more offensive than if one of their 'brothers' do?" Men? Which men are you talking about? The collective noun that refers to all men? Meaning you know this to be true of all men? 'Brothers'…meaning that all men are unified in that same belief? Is that what you see on this thread...?
3) "...A man beats his wife to death, and that's "domestic violence", a woman retaliates against her abuser, and she's a murderer...." What is the connection between thelaughingman's phrase and your example? Are you saying that women don't get fair treatment in the eyes of the law? What particular instances are you talking about…I presume this is a court case of which you have record? Please provide proof.
For myself I can say this: I have had my 7 year old child taken away from me by his Thai mother, who after we separated found another guy in another country. She has every right to a new life ans also according to Thai law to do what she wants with our child...Even though I have stayed in this country all the time to be here for my child even though she never actually took care of him, instead palming him off on her aunties who did everything while she went out on the piss with her friends. Even if I wanted I couldn't get a different result...why? Because Thailand has no paternity laws. I could pursue the case in the country where she has settled if I had any money left...but I really don't want my child to have to be torn apart any further, so I submit to her wishes…wishes that are legal in the eyes of the law yet so obviously unjust to me as a "FATHER" and my boy as a soon to be...."MAN." You talk about 'MEN' and the "LAW"...I question your authority in both areas.
Men are no more treated fairly by the law, society, than by their fellow women!
Do the world a favor…educate yourself into being a more tolerant, kind and compassionate human being… PLEASE!
Posted 2009-07-02 15:47:41
Im pretty sure Ophelia is Horse Doctor. She is a horrible misandrist (man hater) who repeatedly mistakenly attacks men that are actually of a similar belief as her. I've seen her do it many times. She never responds when her mistake is pointed out so don't hold your breath waiting for a reply from her.
Posted 2009-07-02 17:17:39
I don't believe it.
There are tons and tons of Thai hookers that would line up for a chance to go work in a brothel overseas. These girl knew what they were in for no doubt. I do believe they get in over their head or get homesick and can't fullfill obligations.
There is a lady in Pattaya signing up girls to go to Bahrain.
When they get caught they always say it was supposed to be a restaurant job.
Now you know.
Posted 2009-07-02 18:37:57
sunny747, on 2009-06-30 23:36:19, said: great news of these kind!
one of my loyal staff, recently resigned from our company and went to NORWAY to help in her uncle Thai restaurant. she barely know that uncle as he is been living there for 20 years.
She was one of our best staff and i really wanted her to stay. i don't know what future she would make there.
Hi.
I am living in Norway. Salaries are some of the highest in the world, service-woman here are mostly for Nigeria and eastern europe (actually illegal to buy "services" as of this year, so not much is offered at the moment..), and there is a Thai community here already (I am referring to Oslo). So I think she would be allright.
In all Thai restaurants that I know of there is only Thai staff, probably they are cheaper in labour than natives, so it seems natural to call home to Thailand for reinforcements..
Eddie.
Posted 2009-07-02 18:56:12
Serpico, on 2009-07-02 18:17:39, said: I don't believe it.
There are tons and tons of Thai hookers that would line up for a chance to go work in a brothel overseas. These girl knew what they were in for no doubt. I do believe they get in over their head or get homesick and can't fullfill obligations.
There is a lady in Pattaya signing up girls to go to Bahrain.
When they get caught they always say it was supposed to be a restaurant job.
Now you know.
That is not strictly true about them knowing what they were getting into.
Many of these people in the trafficking business use the ploy of offering them a better life (away from a life on the game) and better money. In some cases even to the point of guarantee a foriegn passport. Now you tell me what thai woman is going to pass up the chance of supporting her family better? After all that is all they are doing in the sex trade making money to send home to give them good standing within the family circle. Sometimes they are so desperate that they do not stop to think of what might happen.
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