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Posted 2009-07-02 16:35:24
Agreed - Surely you must admit guilt before you can be pardoned. Otherwise what will the king be pardoning??
Take that aussie who recently got caught under the LM laws for a couple of sentences relating to the monarchy. He admitted his mistake and his majesty showing benevolence pardoned him. I'm sure if he claimed he was innocent and did nothing wrong he'd still be in jail.
This is very distasteful, collecting signatures with the expectation that this will pressure his majesty into over ruling a courts decision. Can't this pressure be interpreted as insulting?
His majesty is above this type of political bickering and any pardon should be left to his majesty and advisers to decide on privately when individuals have admitted wrong doing.
Edited by jonclark, 2009-07-02 16:40:34.
Posted 2009-07-02 18:11:00
 Ayutthaya69, on 2009-07-02 10:50:03, said:
webfact, on 2009-07-02 09:49:11, said: lensta, on 2009-07-02 02:42:08, said: webfact, on 2009-07-02 07:55:28, said: Veera said Thaksin phoned in during the red-shirt rally last Saturday and complained about being homesick, lonely and wanting his supporters to help him return to the country.
What's that BS all about? He can come home at any time. He holds a Thai passport, right?
Why seeking the help from his supporters? I am speechless! 
thai passeport thaksin no have and i hope he going to jail for 5 years at least some thai people going jail fore less so thaksin have a good time in BANGKOK HILTON 5 stars jail
Actually I think his Thai passport was revoked if that is the right word, anyway he can't use it anymore, That's why he has several others. Of course he can still come home but what he wants is to come home and not go to jail.
I thought only his diplomatic passport was revoked?
to be admitted and do time in that fine place an offender must have been sentenced to 20/25y+++
He definitely won't do his time in the "Hilton"
Posted 2009-07-02 19:37:25
jonclark, on 2009-07-02 16:35:24, said: Agreed - Surely you must admit guilt before you can be pardoned. Otherwise what will the king be pardoning??
Take that aussie who recently got caught under the LM laws for a couple of sentences relating to the monarchy. He admitted his mistake and his majesty showing benevolence pardoned him. I'm sure if he claimed he was innocent and did nothing wrong he'd still be in jail.
This is very distasteful, collecting signatures with the expectation that this will pressure his majesty into over ruling a courts decision. Can't this pressure be interpreted as insulting?
His majesty is above this type of political bickering and any pardon should be left to his majesty and advisers to decide on privately when individuals have admitted wrong doing.
Well yes it certainly could be.
Posted 2009-07-03 17:13:51
Abhisit condemns red shirts for politicising monarchy
By The Nation
Politics should keep out of the monarchy and the signature campaign seeking a royal pardon for ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra is deemed inappropriate to politicise the revered institution, Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said on Friday.
"The petition for a royal pardon should be initiated by Thaksin or his family because it is a show of remorse and not a political issue of numbers to affect a royal discretion," he said in reference to the campaign to solicit one million signatures.
He said he would instruct authorities to explain the pardon procedures to the public in order dispel the misunderstanding that the red shirts could sponsor the petition on Thaksin's behalf.
Meanwhile, Kaewsan Atibodhi, a former member of the Assets Examination Committee, and his brother, Kwansuang Atiodhi, held a press conference to call on the red-shirts to stop the signature gathering.
The two brothers said the signature gathering would bother the monarchy.
They said the pardon could not be granted because it would be unconstitutional.
"This is a political marketing strategy to gather signatures to pressure the institution," Kaewsan said.
-- The Nation 2009/03/07
Posted 2009-07-03 19:55:31
animatic, on 2009-07-02 13:37:25, said: jonclark, on 2009-07-02 16:35:24, said: Agreed - Surely you must admit guilt before you can be pardoned. Otherwise what will the king be pardoning??
Take that aussie who recently got caught under the LM laws for a couple of sentences relating to the monarchy. He admitted his mistake and his majesty showing benevolence pardoned him. I'm sure if he claimed he was innocent and did nothing wrong he'd still be in jail.
This is very distasteful, collecting signatures with the expectation that this will pressure his majesty into over ruling a courts decision. Can't this pressure be interpreted as insulting?
His majesty is above this type of political bickering and any pardon should be left to his majesty and advisers to decide on privately when individuals have admitted wrong doing.
Well yes it certainly could be.
I don't think Thaksin will ever admit any wrong doing. The closest he said was " An Honest mistake " without any feeling sorry.
He want to return as a hero and as a savior of the country. 
Seems that the reds are druming up that Thaksin is the only one that can help the countrys' economy! 
Posted 2009-07-04 07:50:02
In Thailand admitting guilt is always the precursor to lenient treatment. Admitting murder means no death penalty. Confessing to lesser crimes result in smaller, halved or even suspended sentences. It is also the precursor for a pardon. Infact that is not limited to Thailand. In many countries a pardon requires admission of ones culpability. A Pardon also occurs after a conviction.
Thaksin and his red shirt cult (after the birthday announcement Jaran has outed that it is a cult and not a politcal movement) are basically looking for a complete win to clear master and return him to power regardless of what that costs the country.
I will add that I dont think the other side should go for a complete win either as that will also cost the country but quite frankly to politically return someone as divisive as Thaksin is insane in a country that is divided regionally. Sadly the days of consensus politcs seem to be over. That is also true of places outside Thailand but that is another issue.
Posted 2009-07-04 07:55:35
Royal pardon campaign slammed by PM, senators
By The Nation
Published on July 4, 2009
A signature campaign by the red shirts to seek a royal pardon for fugitive ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra came under fire yesterday, including strong criticism from the prime minister.
A group of senators, the outspoken Atibodhi brothers and PM Abhisit Vejjajiva separately assailed the drive to collect 1 million signatures within a month.
Abhisit said politics should be kept away from the monarchy and he deemed the signature campaign inappropriate in politicising the revered institution.
"The petition for a royal pardon should be initiated by Thaksin or his family as a show of remorse. It should not be turned into a political issue with a great number of people being cited in order to influence royal discretion," he said, in reference to the campaign to solicit 1 million signatures.
He said he would instruct authorities to explain the royal-pardon procedures to the public, in order to dispel misunderstanding that the red shirts can sponsor the petition on Thaksin's behalf.
Meanwhile, Kaewsan Atibodhi, a former member of the Assets Examination Committee, and his brother Kwansuang Atibodhi, who is a university lecturer, held a press conference yesterday to call on the red shirts to stop the signature campaign.
The Atibodhis said the campaign would discomfort the monarchy. As far as they are concerned, such a pardon could not be granted because it would be unconstitutional.
"This is a political marketing strategy to gather signatures to pressure the [highest] institution," Kaewsan said.
A group of senators also called a press conference criticising the signature campaign, which kicked off on Wednesday.
Somchai Sawaengkan, a member of the upper house, described the campaign as propaganda that would "never lead to reconciliation as advertised". He added that such a move would instead cause uneasiness for His Majesty the King.
Senator Rosana Tositrakul called on the red shirts to end the signature campaign and stop involving the monarchy in politics. She expressed suspicion over the drive, saying she "smelled something fishy".
Prasan Marukkapithak, an appointed senator, called on members of the general public who disagree with the signature campaign to express their views publicly and peacefully.
-- The Nation 2009/04/07
Posted 2009-07-04 20:52:24
webfact, on 2009-07-02 07:02:11, said: CLEMENCY BID FOR THAKSIN
Reds hunt a million signatures this month
By The Nation
Published on July 2, 2009
But Democrats say petition improper, opposed by public
The red shirts yesterday set a target to gather one million signatures within a month to petition His Majesty the King to pardon ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra.
Veera Musigapong, one of the red-shirt leaders, said the petition plan would be scrapped if his group could not gather enough support in one month.
He and other leaders of the Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship (DAAD) called a press conference yesterday to discuss the plan to gather a million signatures in support of a request for Royal clemency for Thaksin.
Forms for the signature campaign would be distributed to the public today, he said.
Veera said Thaksin phoned in during the red-shirt rally last Saturday and complained about being homesick, lonely and wanting his supporters to help him return to the country.
"If we can help him come back and solve economic problems facing the country, it would good for the people,'' he said.
Nattawut Saikua, another DAAD leader, said Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva should be ashamed that Veera rejected his invitation to join his weekly talk show, but the PM still tried to invite other red-shirt leaders to go on the programme.
"All the red shirts don't want to help boost the ratings of Abhisit's programme because they still remember how they were treated by the Abhisit government and the clash with the blue shirts [in Pattaya],'' he said.
Meanwhile, Democrat Party spokesman Dr Buranaj Smutharaks warned the red shirts the move to seek Royal clemency risked deepening divisions in the country. He said his party believed the move was not a desire of the public but simply Thaksin's wish.
"We believe most people in the country want to see Thaksin repent but we have not heard him admit that he was wrong."
He said the red shirts could not say that the public wanted a Royal pardon for Thaksin since Veera and Thaksin's legal adviser Noppadon Pattama were the ones came up with the idea.
"They are using mass support to pressure the institution that is above politics,'' he said.
Buranaj said authorities would have to keep a watch on the red shirts as Thaksin's phone-in indicated he wanted to bring down the government within three months.
"They did it during the Songkran riots and now they have shown intention to do the same thing by using mass support to pressure the government,'' he said.
Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban said if Thaksin instigated his supporters to try to topple the government as urged in his phone-in, he would be charged with breaking the law.
-- The Nation 2009/02/07
He deserve jail time in the third world countries
Posted 2009-07-04 21:12:07
They should not seek a royal pardon, this is only commiting to the yellows. They should just demostrate and fight for him to come back.
Posted 2009-07-05 11:48:50
Geckos, on 2009-07-02 11:53:04, said: If you wear a red shirt in Thailand you will be call " A RETARD" 
I can't see anything wrong with red shirt, As a metter of fact I am wearing it right now  in support of Taksin of course 
Posted 2009-07-05 14:56:52
auserb, on 2009-07-05 11:48:50, said: Geckos, on 2009-07-02 11:53:04, said: If you wear a red shirt in Thailand you will be call " A RETARD"
I can't see anything wrong with red shirt, As a metter of fact I am wearing it right now in support of Taksin of course
Is that King Taksin the Great (put to death for megalomania) or Would-Be-King Thaksin the Pitiful? 
Posted 2009-07-05 21:03:08
Yawn......worse than Lawn Tennis this saga.....
keeps the Ambulance-chasers, etc busy and employed.....IMHO....
MOVE Along.....Nothin' to See Here....really!
Snuffle...yawn (repeat)...
rgdz, etc
Posted 2009-07-05 22:18:56
Burin Kantabura doesn't always get it right but he hit bulls eyes in the past week. His letters to the local papers said it far, far better than I ever could:
"If the pressure works and a petition is granted, Thaksin Shinawatra and the reds win. If it fails, the petitioners stand a good chance of feeling less affection for the monarchy and more sympathy for Thaksin: once again the fugitive former PM and his red-shirted supporters win"
And regarding Red-shirt co-leader Veera's refusing PM Abhist's invite to share time on the PM's talk show:
"Red shirt leader Veera Musikhapong refuses to meet PM Abhisit face-to-face on live TV. Surely, if Mr Veera believed in ''true democracy'', as claimed, he'd grab at the chance to show PM Abhisit to be incompetent, having double standards, etc"
And finally:
"PM Abhisit was chosen by the same set of MPs that chose two prior governments and by the same constitutional procedures.If the current government is illegitimate, why didn't the red shirts march against, say, PM Samak? As things stand, it seems to me that Mr Veera fears any truths that might be revealed in a face-to-face debate, and prefers to speak where those being attacked have no easy way of rebuttal"
Edited by baht&sold, 2009-07-05 22:20:03.
Posted 2009-07-05 22:33:44
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Posted 2009-07-06 01:48:22
Anyone know where he actually is now?
Posted 2009-07-06 02:13:43
Quote Anyone know where he actually is now?
Unfortunately that information is on a 'need to know' basis only.
In case of emergency, please contact any Puea Thai MP/Red leaders, immediate family (or vested cronies) Kwanchai, or if all else fails, Jonathan Head (wherever)
Posted 2009-07-06 02:16:46
baht&sold, on 2009-07-06 02:13:43, said: Quote Anyone know where he actually is now?
Unfortunately that information is on a 'need to know' basis only.
In case of emergency, please contact any Puea Thai MP/Red leaders, immediate family (or vested cronies) Kwanchai, or if all else fails, Jonathan Head (wherever)
Did you ever think about his wife  ?
Posted 2009-07-06 02:51:16
Quote Did you ever think about his wife ?
Can hardly believe I'm replying to 'datsun240z' but assuming you're not referring to Mr Thaksin's ex-wife, then actually and emphatically yes. Further, one sincerely wishes an otherwise very fine reporter and his family a happy future, hopefully in Thailand.
Edited by baht&sold, 2009-07-06 02:56:36.
Posted 2009-07-06 04:12:32
baht&sold, on 2009-07-05 23:18:56, said: Burin Kantabura doesn't always get it right but he hit bulls eyes in the past week. His letters to the local papers said it far, far better than I ever could:
"If the pressure works and a petition is granted, Thaksin Shinawatra and the reds win. If it fails, the petitioners stand a good chance of feeling less affection for the monarchy and more sympathy for Thaksin: once again the fugitive former PM and his red-shirted supporters win"
And regarding Red-shirt co-leader Veera's refusing PM Abhist's invite to share time on the PM's talk show:
"Red shirt leader Veera Musikhapong refuses to meet PM Abhisit face-to-face on live TV. Surely, if Mr Veera believed in ''true democracy'', as claimed, he'd grab at the chance to show PM Abhisit to be incompetent, having double standards, etc"
And finally:
"PM Abhisit was chosen by the same set of MPs that chose two prior governments and by the same constitutional procedures.If the current government is illegitimate, why didn't the red shirts march against, say, PM Samak? As things stand, it seems to me that Mr Veera fears any truths that might be revealed in a face-to-face debate, and prefers to speak where those being attacked have no easy way of rebuttal"
Face to face meeting not gonna happen, not the kind of person for that, nor to lead the redshirts.
Posted 2009-07-06 10:42:28
baht&sold, on 2009-07-05 22:18:56, said: Burin Kantabura doesn't always get it right but he hit bulls eyes in the past week. His letters to the local papers said it far, far better than I ever could:
"If the pressure works and a petition is granted, Thaksin Shinawatra and the reds win. If it fails, the petitioners stand a good chance of feeling less affection for the monarchy and more sympathy for Thaksin: once again the fugitive former PM and his red-shirted supporters win"
And regarding Red-shirt co-leader Veera's refusing PM Abhist's invite to share time on the PM's talk show:
"Red shirt leader Veera Musikhapong refuses to meet PM Abhisit face-to-face on live TV. Surely, if Mr Veera believed in ''true democracy'', as claimed, he'd grab at the chance to show PM Abhisit to be incompetent, having double standards, etc"
And finally:
"PM Abhisit was chosen by the same set of MPs that chose two prior governments and by the same constitutional procedures.If the current government is illegitimate, why didn't the red shirts march against, say, PM Samak? As things stand, it seems to me that Mr Veera fears any truths that might be revealed in a face-to-face debate, and prefers to speak where those being attacked have no easy way of rebuttal"
He does have a better insight than most and would be a good additon to the usual analysts who are at best mediocre.
Posted 2009-07-06 22:53:43
Datsun240Z, on 2009-07-06 04:12:32, said: baht&sold, on 2009-07-05 23:18:56, said: Burin Kantabura doesn't always get it right but he hit bulls eyes in the past week. His letters to the local papers said it far, far better than I ever could:
"If the pressure works and a petition is granted, Thaksin Shinawatra and the reds win. If it fails, the petitioners stand a good chance of feeling less affection for the monarchy and more sympathy for Thaksin: once again the fugitive former PM and his red-shirted supporters win"
And regarding Red-shirt co-leader Veera's refusing PM Abhist's invite to share time on the PM's talk show:
"Red shirt leader Veera Musikhapong refuses to meet PM Abhisit face-to-face on live TV. Surely, if Mr Veera believed in ''true democracy'', as claimed, he'd grab at the chance to show PM Abhisit to be incompetent, having double standards, etc"
And finally:
"PM Abhisit was chosen by the same set of MPs that chose two prior governments and by the same constitutional procedures.If the current government is illegitimate, why didn't the red shirts march against, say, PM Samak? As things stand, it seems to me that Mr Veera fears any truths that might be revealed in a face-to-face debate, and prefers to speak where those being attacked have no easy way of rebuttal"
Face to face meeting not gonna happen, not the kind of person for that, nor to lead the redshirts.
Kuhn Burin is not always 100%, but he sees clearer than many.
He is on my short list of people I would want at a good sized dinner party.
Posted 2009-07-08 12:36:45
Livinginexile, on 2009-07-02 07:34:48, said: Facinating!
I think they will get more like 2 million signatures. But alas, it will be to no avail. 
We can all thank God for that
Posted 2009-07-08 12:41:30
stumonster, on 2009-07-02 12:37:54, said: webfact, on 2009-07-02 07:02:11, said: "If we can help him come back and solve economic problems facing the country, it would good for the people,'' he said.
does anyone know what laws of economics , rules and regulations need to be changed/manipulated and who needs to be bribed to make this fantasy come true ?
Laws, rules regulations? Thailand doesn't constrict itself that much! 
Posted 2009-07-09 07:29:42
The signatures alone will not be enough, you can be sure the reds shirts will organise a big rally to coincide with handing over the signatures. Then I would like journalists from every paper and TV station to choose red shirts at random and ask them what Thaksin was found guilty of regarding Ratchadapisek and what are the other charges facing him.
I'm sure few can answer the questions.
If these questions are too difficult for them perhaps they could be put in a multiple choice format.
Mr Weera was too afraid to go on air with Aphisit, Thaksin too, pathetic cowards the lot.
And now the 'Love Chiang Mai' thugs have been threatening a hospital. What ignorant idiots!
Posted 2009-07-09 08:45:36
Just was thinking of a fictional conversation...
Q: "do ya want to earn some easy money?" -
A: "how?" -
A: "sign here!" -
Q: "how much?"
A: "500 Baht"
Q: "can I bring my friends too...?"
...... 
Edited by webfact, 2009-07-09 08:47:11.
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