My wife's brother in law was trying to get her to sign the petition to pardon Thaksin. She very adamantly refused. I asked her why she wouldn't sign and she said that Thaksin was no good. I asked her about Abhisit and she said he was no good too. Her words were that all politicians EAT, EAT, EAT! Eat meaning to steal.
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Clemency Bid For Thaksin Shinawatra
Started by webfact, 2009-07-02 07:02
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sriracha john
Star Member Posted 2009-07-10 19:33:12
Senators Seek Info on Royal Pardon
A group of 40 Senators have submitted a request to the Royal Household Bureau for information on royal pardoning, hoping to provide clarity to the public on efforts by supporters of ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra to seek a royal clemency for him. Senators Kamnoon Sitthisamarn, Warin Tiemjaras, and Sumol Sutawiriyawat, representing the group of 40 Senators, held a press conference after submitting a request to the the Royal Household Bureau asking it to explain the process of seeking a Royal Pardon. They hope this will help enlighten the public so supporters of fugitive former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra can make a correct decision on whether to sign a petition to seek a Royal Pardon for him or not. The campaign is being organized by the red-shirt Truth Today group under Veera Musikapong. Many law experts have pointed out the move is illegal since those eligible to seek a Royal Pardon must be serving their jail terms or are the prisoners' close relatives. Political analysts have slammed the move, saying it is not right to pressure the Monarchy to get involved in politics. At the press conference, Senator Sumol called on the government to issue a law to penalize those who offend the Monarchy and strictly enforce it.  -- Tan Network 2009-07-10 Edited by sriracha john, 2009-07-10 19:34:42. #53
sriracha john
Star Member Posted 2009-07-11 05:24:04
From The Nation article:
http://www.nationmul...cs_30107152.php Meanwhile, a signature campaign seeking a Royal Pardon on Thaksin's behalf appears to have stalled after authorities said the move was unprecedented and contrary to the law. The Corrections Department, the primary agency in charge of processing pardon petitions, yesterday released a report saying the Criminal Procedural Code was clear on the issue. A convicted offender must comply with the verdict and serve time before becoming eligible for a Royal Pardon. In Thaksin's case, he is a fugitive who fled the country, and his graft verdict was read in absentia. Articles 259 and 260 of the code make it clear Thaksin has no grounds for a pardon unless he decides to surrender himself and begin serving his two-year prison term. In the wake of the department's report, the Justice Ministry is planning to raise public awareness about the prescribed procedures for a pardon, in order to clear up misunderstandings about the signature campaign that has been fuelling the red shirts. A group of three Senators led by Kamnoon Sitthisamarn issued a statement urging the Office of His Majesty's Principal Private Secretary to clarify procedures for seeking a Royal Pardon, to dispel confusion. Kamnoon said clarification from the Royal Palace would help the public judge the appropriateness of a signature campaign.  -- The Nation 2009-07-11 #54
hammered
Titanium Member Posted 2009-07-11 11:44:00
Even Thai media outlets normally close to PTP and that side are starting to distance from this little manouver.
The Nation article if accurate makes it clear what any clarification would be in actuality. Whether the bureau of the Palace would actually itself issue such a clarification though must remain moot as even if completely factual would be stepping into a politcal play #55
rixalex
A Live Member Posted 2009-07-11 12:44:15
My wife's brother in law was trying to get her to sign the petition to pardon Thaksin. She very adamantly refused. I asked her why she wouldn't sign #56
Sandstone Art
Senior Member Posted 2009-07-11 13:00:16
Last evening there was a truck making the grand annoucement to get more people to sign the petition in the open market (ChiangMai area)
All sweet talk and praises for those hawkers. There was even an appointed hawker in-charge for others to hand in their 3 pages of petition.  Pleading with the general poor. A hero needs to come home. 
#57
Wiresok
Senior Member Posted 2009-07-12 02:00:52
The Fijian big cheese ain't going to lower himself to talk turkey with a fourth world country whose appointed foreign minister is a sponsor of terrorism.
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sriracha john
Star Member Posted 2009-07-12 08:33:42  CONVICTED: Thaksin Doubts cast on pardon request for Thaksin The anti-government red shirt group should think twice before gathering signatures to request a Royal Pardon for convicted former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, says Privy Councillor Gen Pichitr Kullavanijaya. He was commenting on the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship's (UDD) campaign to collect one million signatures to push for a Royal Pardon. The former prime minister was convicted by the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions and given a two-year jail term for helping his former wife, Potjaman Damapong, buy a prime piece of land on Ratchadaphisek Road at a low price while he was prime minister. "They can decide for themselves if it is appropriate. In Thailand, we have the executive, legislative and judicial branches. Procedures should be observed," he said. Gen Chettha Thanajaro, an Adviser to the opposition Puea Thai Party, said yesterday the UDD had the right to seek a Royal Pardon, but whether or not the move was appropriate was another matter. Continued:  -- Bangkok Post 2009-07-12 #59
webfact
Admin Posted 2009-07-12 09:24:07
CONVICTED: Thaksin Doubts cast on pardon request for Thaksin The anti-government red shirt group should think twice before gathering signatures to request a Royal Pardon for convicted former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, says Privy Councillor Gen Pichitr Kullavanijaya. He was commenting on the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship's (UDD) campaign to collect one million signatures to push for a Royal Pardon. The former prime minister was convicted by the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions and given a two-year jail term for helping his former wife, Potjaman Damapong, buy a prime piece of land on Ratchadaphisek Road at a low price while he was prime minister. "They can decide for themselves if it is appropriate. In Thailand, we have the executive, legislative and judicial branches. Procedures should be observed," he said. Gen Chettha Thanajaro, an Adviser to the opposition Puea Thai Party, said yesterday the UDD had the right to seek a Royal Pardon, but whether or not the move was appropriate was another matter. Continued: -- Bangkok Post 2009-07-12 sometimes it takes a little longer until you understand something... #60
xminator
Senior Member Posted 2009-07-12 12:27:55
Its obvious that this governments obsession with Thaksin distracts them from functioning as a government. Why not just highlight the important part of the last two articles quoted, says Privy Councillor Gen Pichitr Kullavanijaya and the Justice Ministry is planning . sriracha john is as usual finding whatever news support his distorted world view, and man, its not hard to find information posted from the ministry of misinformation these days.
Where did the charter amendments go? The promises for new elections? Not so keen on them anymore with the slight showstoppers in the by-elections? Maybe the democrats can forget their 90% votes in southern thailand now that they've proven they cant do any good there? Loosing the MPs from that region would hurt more then a PT victory in the north-east... #61
Siripon
Super Member Posted 2009-07-12 12:43:00
Its obvious that this governments obsession with Thaksin distracts them from functioning as a government. Why not just highlight the important part of the last two articles quoted, says Privy Councillor Gen Pichitr Kullavanijaya and the Justice Ministry is planning . sriracha john is as usual finding whatever news support his distorted world view, and man, its not hard to find information posted from the ministry of misinformation these days. Where did the charter amendments go? The promises for new elections? Not so keen on them anymore with the slight showstoppers in the by-elections? Maybe the democrats can forget their 90% votes in southern thailand now that they've proven they cant do any good there? Loosing the MPs from that region would hurt more then a PT victory in the north-east... Thaksin is doing everything he can to pit Thai against Thai purely to save his own guilty skin. Have you heard any calls from the red shirts on how to improve the economy and society? Any recommendations on how to improve grassroots participation in democracy? Empower their communities? No, all you hear is let's give the fugitive a pardon, let's celebrate his birhday at Sanam Luang! The red shirts are the ones obsessed with Thaksin, for without him they are nothing. Notice how the leader of the taxis, Shinawat, said he would carry out a campaign of civil disobedience by insisting on celebarating Thaksin's birthday at Sanam Luang, but as soon as his master telephoned from Dubai, Fiji or Montenegro, disagreeing, he caved in. 'Whatever you say master, we are only your devoted serfs who will obey your every command'. These red shirts are not real men, 'look poochai' in Thai, they are the sons of ladyboys! #62
Ferwert
Senior Member Posted 2009-07-12 21:40:49
Facinating! I think they will get more like 2 million signatures. But alas, it will be to no avail.  Yes, you are correct......two million signatures. Abhisit will be green with envy and threatened as never before. If over two million signatures earnestly and knowledgably provided with all legal correctness are ignored, this will be done at the peril of those who do the ignoring. FERWERT #63
Plus
Star Member Posted 2009-07-12 21:48:39
Two million people signed a paper that makes no sense whatsoever?
That's impressive. Biggest prank in history, I guess. #64
Ferwert
Senior Member Posted 2009-07-12 21:51:22
Veera said Thaksin phoned in during the red-shirt rally last Saturday and complained about being homesick, lonely and wanting his supporters to help him return to the country. What's that BS all about? He can come home at any time. He holds a Thai passport, right? Why seeking the help from his supporters? I am speechless!  Let me help you speechless........As long as he is a loose cannon out there, Abhisit and friends are under threat. Their judicial friends are protecting them, and they want him under control really, really bad...If I was in their position with no electoral legitimacy, I would be spooked also. FERWERT #65
webfact
Admin Posted 2009-07-12 21:55:39
Facinating! I think they will get more like 2 million signatures. But alas, it will be to no avail. Yes, you are correct......two million signatures. Abhisit will be green with envy and threatened as never before. If over two million signatures earnestly and knowledgably provided with all legal correctness are ignored, this will be done at the peril of those who do the ignoring. FERWERT even if you collect 10 million signatures... do you think this will set pressure on someone to do something? I think that great idea of collecting signatures will backfire with the magnitude of an earthquake and the reds will regret this great deed very soon! Some regret already. Edited by webfact, 2009-07-12 21:59:09. #66
Ferwert
Senior Member Posted 2009-07-12 21:56:26
[quote name='Geckos' date='2009-07-02 08:53:04' post='2844537']
If you wear a red shirt in Thailand you will be call " A RETARD"  Your commentary speaks volumes about the commentator #67
sriracha john
Star Member Posted 2009-07-13 07:40:17
sriracha john is as usual finding whatever news support his distorted world view Eagerly awaiting your posting of news clippings in the news clippings forum to support your distorted world view. #68
sriracha john
Star Member Posted 2009-07-13 22:47:44
[quote name='sriracha john' post='2864940' date='2009-07-12 08:33:42']
CONVICTED: Thaksin Doubts cast on pardon request for Thaksin "They can decide for themselves if it is appropriate. In Thailand, we have the executive, legislative and judicial branches. Procedures should be observed," he said. Gen Chettha Thanajaro, an Adviser to the opposition Puea Thai Party, said yesterday the UDD had the right to seek a Royal Pardon, but whether or not the move was appropriate was another matter.[/quote] Burglar Shot Trying to Enter Home of Former Army Chief A burglar was shot while attempting to break into the house of a Pheu Thai Party Senior Advisor this morning. The man is slightly injured and is now in police custody. Late this morning, Chaiwat Thongkhamdi, allegedly tried to break into the house of Pheu Thai Party Senior Advisor General Chettha Thanajaro in Soi Prachachuen 12. He was reportedly spotted by a maid while climbing over the fence. A security guard was called to the scene and he demanded the man lay down on the ground. Despite repeated warnings, the 30-year-old suspect continued to move toward the guard and thus was shot in the left leg. Chaiwat was charged with intruding into a private property while the guard was also charged with armed assault. General Chettha is a former Army commander-in-chief and entered politics upon his retirement from military service. He was a contender for the prime minister post with Abhisit Vejjajiva. [url="http://www.thailandoutlook.tv/"] ex-Leader of Ruamjai Thai Chart Pattana Party General Chetta Thanajaro, perpetrator of the ridiculously fraudulent and infamous scam involving a Deep South ceasefire: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Southern-Ins...28.html&hl=[/url] Southern Insurgents Announce Ceasefire, Chetta claims insurgents will end operations[/quote] #69
hammered
Titanium Member Posted 2009-07-14 11:39:23
Amazing PTP still stick with people like Chettha, Chalerm and Snoh the real loose cannons of the elite. Yo'd have thought a party of such appeal would be able to find some more impressive front people. Maybe as they are the party of the people they could have even found someone from a poor background say a farmer or two as well instead of the usual elite, robber baron, narcisistic ex-actors and upper middle class reperesentatives the party is full of.
Isnt the day for counting the signatures and having them legally verified (if indeed that is part of the plan) almost upon us. By the way attacks on posters here and their world views are distracting. Why not post comments and information on events or even analysis? #70
animatic
Observant member Posted 2009-07-14 23:36:51
Facinating! I think they will get more like 2 million signatures. But alas, it will be to no avail. Yes, you are correct......two million signatures. Abhisit will be green with envy and threatened as never before. If over two million signatures earnestly and knowledgably provided with all legal correctness are ignored, this will be done at the peril of those who do the ignoring. FERWERT even if you collect 10 million signatures... do you think this will set pressure on someone to do something? I think that great idea of collecting signatures will backfire with the magnitude of an earthquake and the reds will regret this great deed very soon! Some regret already. So what. ANY determined group with a cause and a budget can eventually wangle 2 million signatures. Can't see anything for Abhisit for envy here, pity comes closer, he could get 2 mil sigs if he wanted to waste the time ands resources to do it... Thaksin could just come home and serve his short sentence, without causing all this mental illness across the country. He is playing with peoples heads like a carrot before and ass, for advantage when they go after his money in a few weeks. Nothing more. He has to get either a lot of street /fear leverage or a change of regime/revolution, and seems neither is in the cards before his money is on the docket. But as that clock ticks down and he considers his option of a 'Hail Mary pass for goal posts', Songkran and Oct 7th, may seem like sweet memories indeed. Lets hope this is not the case. #71
sriracha john
Star Member Posted 2009-08-12 05:02:57
Over 5 million Thais sign names to oppose pardon petition for Thaksin
BANGKOK -- Over 5 million people have signed their names to oppose a plan by the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) to petition for a royal pardon for ousted former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, Deputy Interior Minister Boonjong Wongtrairat said here Tuesday. Boonjoing said the Interior Ministry would continue to take the people's signature for an indefinite period, the website by Bangkok Post reported. However, he said the names would not be submitted along with the UDD petition letter since the ministry has only wanted to show how big the opposition is against the UDD movement. In a related development, the opposition Puea Thai Party filed on Tuesday a complaint with the Crime Suppression Division police against Interior Minister Chavarat Charnveerakul, Boonjong, and Interior Ministry Permanent Secretary Wichai Srikhwan, accusing them of lese majeste. But, Boonjong said he is not worried by the complaint as he is performing the duty of the Thai people. The UDD group plans to submit the pardon petition's letter for Thaksin to the Office of His Majesty's Principal Private Secretary on August 17. The UDD group has claimed that they have already gathered at least 5 million names of the Thai people -- the supporters of Thaksin, which will be used to support the pardon petition. - Xinhua / 2009-08-11 #72
animatic
Observant member Posted 2009-08-12 20:49:45
And do we see Thaksin ever showing much:
Clemency for those who oppose him: caritas, charity, compassion, endurance, equitableness, fairness, forbearance, gentleness, grace, humanity, indulgence, justness, kindness, lenience, leniency, lenity, mercifulness, mercy, mildness, moderation, soft-heartedness, sufferance, tenderness, tolerance, toleration, pity. Thaksin traits on display, mai? affection, agape, altruism, amity, attachment, benevolence, benignity, bountifulness, bounty, caritas, clemency, fellow feeling, generosity, goodness, goodwill, grace, humaneness, humanity, indulgence, kindliness, love, magnanimity, tenderheartedness. Not much : absolution, acquittal, amnesty, condonation, dispensation, exculpation, exoneration, extenuation, immunity, impunity, indemnity, justification, lenience, overlooking, palliation, purgation, quarter, quittance, remission, remittal, reprieve, respite, vindication Nope. But plenty of: malevolence, uncharitableness, unkindness, cruelty, harshness, hatred, indifference, meanness, mercilessness, tyranny, accusation, blame, censure, charge, punishment, chastisement, condemnation, damning, ostracization, disdain. Oh yes lets not forget vindictiveness... #73
Insight
Titanium Member Posted 2009-08-13 08:49:01
According to the breakfast news this morning, the pro-Thaksin side is now claiming 10mil signatures. I'm sure the anti-Thaksin campaign will soon be spouting double figure amounts.
This really is at the highest level of farce for all people involved. Will be interesting to see how history reflects on these campaigns, if the numbers being reported have any truth to them. #74
Artisi
Super Member Posted 2009-08-13 10:14:56
According to the breakfast news this morning, the pro-Thaksin side is now claiming 10mil signatures. I'm sure the anti-Thaksin campaign will soon be spouting double figure amounts. This really is at the highest level of farce for all people involved. Will be interesting to see how history reflects on these campaigns, if the numbers being reported have any truth to them. The rate it is escalating it should top double the voting population very soon. 
#75
xbusman
The bus driver Posted 2009-08-13 11:30:49
I reckon we will end up with a complete and attested certification of over a billion people before this childhood game is done.
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