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[sassienie]

TAWP, on 2009-07-04 15:56:36, said:

And for the record, he isn't gay.

If you guys cannot get your head around that, well...

No, I wouldn`t fancy getting my head around that, thank you.

Some real perverts here lately.

[BigSnake]

OH well it's his money, his choice, hope he get what he paid for. Most Farangs don't pay half that much UP FRONT, for the REAL DEAL, but in the long run we pay time, house, kids, dogs, college, trips to home country, visa(bt400.000) to stay with her, not to mention medical bill, health care, oh mercy, this poor guy is getting a double whammy.           

[norwayeagle]

I Wish them ALL the luck in this World!!!! ,,,,Now a side comment: It seems 2 me that Many in Thai visa  is on The how 2 collect more Postpoints.hehe Yippi, me myself is over 100 and a "senior" So now am on my 400 more to go   .Happy happy.

[neverdie]

sassienie, on 2009-07-04 19:13:22, said:

Shotime, on 2009-07-04 10:23:41, said:

Why isn't she pretty? She looks beautiful.

This is not a SHE, by any stretch of the imagination.

If the old guy were to walk down a street in Britain or Ireland with his drag queen, both would be beaten up within the first hour.

Could you imagine them walking hand in hand outside a pub after the animal chucking out time. How long do you think they would last?

Sick.

Shame on you sassienie, didnt realise you were so narrow minded. Ladyboy's are not drag queens, others have pointed that out to you.

I happen to have met a ladyboy that many thais don't even pick as one.  I have been in a group of people at a function and when she tried to convince a thai guy that she was a ladyboy, he wouldnt wear it.  When I look at her, I see a woman & wonder how on earth something like that could of happened, its totally beyond her control & she is a lovely person.  Her Thai b/f isnt the sort of guy I would of expected to see with a ladyboy either.  

Not everyone is the same you know and not all ladyboys are lining the streets of tourist locations making assssholes of themselves.  Anyway in her case at least and I am sure there other plenty of others, if she walked down the street in either the London or Sydney there would be plenty of blokes eyeing her off, completely clueless.....you'd probably be one of them .

Anyway give yourself an uppercut for being so nasty with that comment

[Lite Beer]

In spite of the forum rule being posted as a reminder . More posts have been deleted.
Here is the rule again. The next poster that persists in breaking forum rules gets a holiday.

7) Not to post slurs or degrading comments directed towards any group on the basis of race, nationality, religion, gender or sexual orientation.

[Gaccha]

One of the great joys of Thai culture is the resistance to categorisation. So when a boy acts all feminine in his village he is not pushed into an 'identity ghetto'. The village gay. Contrast England.

There is an odd double narrative in Thailand. The old way of thinking of it: "so many people, so many ways". They let people do as they will. And then there is the nasty 1950s academic discourse from the USA: gays are abhorent, ladyboys are gay. It is a medical condition, they need curing.

The odd consequence is the better educated members of Thailand are closer to your Daily Mail reader in England(for non-UK citizens: these are largely desperately aspirational, right-wingers who feel put upon by a society of scorungers, immigrants and anything else they read on the front page of the Daily Mail) , while the country yokels have the sounder, more tolerant UK broadsheet reader view of the issue.


In medieval times, Western Europeans believed there was only one sex. They saw women as men with inverted genitalia. The modern tendency to bifurcate is no more logical and no more right. Any attempt you make to claim there are two sexes can be refuted. It is socially constructed. (Of course, I am assuming you already accept that gender is socially constructed, that is blindingly obvious)

"But I have a two veg and sausage genitallia", you cry. But why do you privilege this point above all other points? Why not bifurcate by eye colour. "Ah, but these determine if you can have a baby", you cry. Eh, no they don't. Ask all the infertile women.

"But it is clear by DNA", you appeal. No. Two points. Until we knew about DNA, are you then accepting it was socially constructed before then. Also, since quite frequently the DNA can be XY but the person can appear female are you certain you want to make the bifurcation along these lines? And second point, as scientists will point out until they are blue in their faces, the social belief in the clear bifurcation does not happen. Around 1 in 1,000 children are born gender ambiguous.

This is extremely complex, I am glossing the analysis of the discourse of language that would simply win this issue but I recommend you read the great masterpieces of Foucault: "The History of Sexuality". As one reviewer puts it:
"Foucault's three-part History of Sexuality begins here with an examination of the ways in which our contemporary interpretation of sexuality has been shaped by historical trends. Foucault makes a compelling case for the construction of sexual identity as a function of political and economic forces. This book is a must-read for anyone interested in sexuality, psychoanalysis, gender studies, queer theory, or feminisms, or indeed anyone who wishes to confront his or her own personal assumptions about gender and sexuality. Think you know what normal is? After Foucault, you may not be so sure."


Then read it with Judith Butler's Gender Trouble.

Now go and do some homework.

[sassienie]

neverdie, on 2009-07-04 21:12:15, said:

sassienie, on 2009-07-04 19:13:22, said:

Shotime, on 2009-07-04 10:23:41, said:

Why isn't she pretty? She looks beautiful.

This is not a SHE, by any stretch of the imagination.

If the old guy were to walk down a street in Britain or Ireland with his drag queen, both would be beaten up within the first hour.

Could you imagine them walking hand in hand outside a pub after the animal chucking out time. How long do you think they would last?

Sick.

Shame on you sassienie, didnt realise you were so narrow minded. Ladyboy's are not drag queens, others have pointed that out to you.

I happen to have met a ladyboy that many thais don't even pick as one.  I have been in a group of people at a function and when she tried to convince a thai guy that she was a ladyboy, he wouldnt wear it.  When I look at her, I see a woman & wonder how on earth something like that could of happened, its totally beyond her control & she is a lovely person.  Her Thai b/f isnt the sort of guy I would of expected to see with a ladyboy either.  

Not everyone is the same you know and not all ladyboys are lining the streets of tourist locations making assssholes of themselves.  Anyway in her case at least and I am sure there other plenty of others, if she walked down the street in either the London or Sydney there would be plenty of blokes eyeing her off, completely clueless.....you'd probably be one of them .

Anyway give yourself an uppercut for being so nasty with that comment

Again this person is quoted as a she. You are living an illusion, pal.

Quite frankly, this sort of thing repulses me. This is not meant as an insult to the person, but only to what they do and how they do it.

This openness and the displaying of something like this as the norm, is sending out all the wrong messages to the younger generations.

For the Brits: does anyone remember Mary Whitehouse?

She was a British campaigner for what she perceived to be values of morality and decency derived from her religious beliefs. She began by focusing her efforts on the broadcast media, which she regarded as highly influential, and where she felt these values were particularly lacking. Later, she made notable interventions over publications and theatrical productions of which she disapproved, becoming involved in several cases of litigation. She was the founder and first president of the National Viewers' and Listeners' Association, now known as mediawatch-uk. She was right.

For the record I am not religious, but do believe that there are too many bad influences on young people these days, whether it be religious fanaticism, sexual deviations and violence that is easily accessible in the public domain.

If I lived for the next 1000 years, no one would ever be able to convince me that this is good for society or just a harmless bit of fun, nor could they talk me into believing that black is white or a he is a she.

[popmybubble]

I think when two people fall in love that's a beautiful thing.  It doesn't matter who or what they are.  I'm glad they found happiness with each other.

[klikster]

Heng, on 2009-07-04 10:57:36, said:

Some guys can't tell. Although, he's not exactly "n'Poy" Treechada  (google) either.  

Looks like s/he passes the "elbow test" as well.

http://images.google...mBJW6tAOxpIXSDA

Edited by klikster, 2009-07-05 11:31:28.

[klikster]

A few years ago I was sitting with a small group of Thais drinking beer outside the mini mart at the condo where I rented.  As conversations often will, that one got around to girls.  One 30 something guy talked about having a kayoey for a 'faan'.  He claimed that he had far fewer problems with his katoey than with most girls friends he had been with.

Edited by klikster, 2009-07-05 11:31:55.

[babuhavas]

but will he get his sin sot back?

Edited by babuhavas, 2009-07-05 12:03:38.

[Ta22]

the problem with the old unhappy fart on this forum is that ,  this group of  sour grape , just can't understand  how others find happiness while their  standard post is how suck others wife is while there spend their time hawking the forum .. trying to find excuse why their own life is lonely and sad.

most don't even know what love is and most do not even dare imagine finding love .

not to say their biggest jump is alway to relate money to all love life there seen online.

all i got to say is ..i am sorry that such poor human manner  and low respect for others still exisit in this morden days.

i guess there will alway be stone age orge out there ,

[ThaiLife]

Only Time will tell...   Ive just set my calendar to remind me to check this story in
5 Years time..  any one like to predict how the story will un fold  


TL

Edited by ThaiLife, 2009-07-05 12:06:53.

[cpofc]

Too many people these days trying to tell us how to live our lives.

live and let live i say.

Edited by cpofc, 2009-07-05 12:19:08.

[Datsun240Z]

Guys, what is sin sod?

[InSiSongkram]

I met William through a now good friend not so long ago and I have to say he came across as a real nice guy, I was actually walking my baby in my moo ban and was surprised to see a farang face that was new.

Good luck to you mate I wish you all the best I`ll pop in the bar and have a beer when I`m next passing. Here is more of the story here and a poor translation via Google.

ฝรั่งชาวไอแลนด์ วัย 47 ปี หอบสินสอด 2.8 ล้าน เข้าพิธีสมรสกับสาวประเภทสอง วัย 35 ปี ชาวนครพนม จัดพิธียิ่งใหญ่ โต๊ะจีนกลางสนามกีฬากว่า 200 โต๊ะ เจ้าบ่าว ยืนยัน ไม่แปลก ปลื้มเจ้าสาวนิสัยดี

เมื่อวันที่ 3 ก.ค. ผู้สื่อข่าวรายงานว่า มีพิธีสมรสระหว่างฝรั่ง กับ สาวประเภทสอง ซึ่งเป็นชาวบ้านนาหลวง ต.ท่าค้อ อ.เมือง จ.นครพนม โดยถือฤกษ์ในเวลา 17.59 น. ที่บ้านเลขที่ 195 ชาวบ้านนาหลวง ต.ท่าค้อ อ.เมือง จ.นครพนม บ้านของเจ้าสาว คือ นายผจญ โพชราษฎร อายุ 35 ปี ปัจจุบันได้เปลี่ยนชื่อเป็น นายพิชญา โพชราษฎร หรือ น้องญา สาวประเภทสอง เจ้าบ่าว คือ มิสเตอร์วิลเลี่ยม เจมส์บราว อายุ 47 ปี ฝรั่งชาวไอแลนด์เหนือ มีขบวนแห่ขันหมาก พร้อขบวนฟ้อนวัฒนธรรมแบบชาวอีสาน เพื่อไปเข้าพิธีบายศรีสู่ขวัญที่สถานที่จัดงานพิธี ในสนามกีฬาบ้านนาหลวง ที่มีการจัดพิธียิ่งใหญ่ จัดโต๊ะจีนนับ 200 โต๊ะ มีญาติพี่น้อง เพื่อนสนิท เพื่อนชาวต่างชาติ ที่มีภรรยาชาวนครพนม และชาวบ้านร่วมงานอย่างอบอุ่น

นายพิชญา กล่าวว่า รู้สึกดีใจมาก ที่ได้มีโอกาสได้เข้าร่วมพิธีบายศรีสู่ขวัญเป็นเจ้าสาว ซึ่งถึงแม้เกิดมาเป็นผู้ชาย แต่ตนรู้สึกว่ามีความเป็นหญิงเกือบ 100 เปอร์เซ็นต์ และได้แปลงเพศมานานหลายปีแล้ว โดยใช้เงินที่ตนเก็บไว้จากการทำร้านเสริมสวย ส่วนที่มาของการพบเจ้าบ่าว เนื่องจากที่บ้านยากจน พอเรียนจบชั้นประถมต้องไปทำงานที่กรุงเทพฯ และ ต่างจังหวัด จนกระทั่งไปทำงานที่พัทยา จึงได้มีโอกาสพบเจ้าบ่าวขณะที่เจ้าบ่าวประสบอุบัติเหตุจากรถจักรยานยนต์ ตนไปช่วยเหลือ จึงเกิดความประทับใจ ติดต่อคบกันมานานกว่าปี จนตัดสินใจแต่งงานตามประเพณีอีสาน

นายพิชญา กล่าวอีกว่า สำหรับค่าสินสอดได้ตกลงเป็นเงินสดจำนวน 5 แสนบาท พร้อมสร้อยเพชร จำนวน 2 เส้น แหวนเพชร 2 วง และ รถยนต์เก๋งอีกจำนวน 1 คัน รวมมูลค่าทั้งหมดประมาณ 2.8 ล้านบาท ซึ่งหลังแต่งงาน จะใช้ชีวิตอยู่ที่นครพนม ดูแลแม่ และตนมีกิจการส่วนตัวคือร้านอาหารกับ ร้านเสริมสวย ส่วนโปรแกรมฮันนิมูน หลังแต่งจะไปเที่ยวประเทศฮ่องกง ส่วนเรื่องใครจะคิดยังไงที่ตนเป็นสาวประเภทสอง ไม่สนใจ เพราะสำคัญอยู่ที่ทั้งสองรักกัน และเจ้าบ่าวไม่เคยรังเกียจ เพราะตนมีจิตใจเป็นหญิง ดูแลทุกอย่าง และชอบทำงานด้วย

ด้าน มิสเตอร์วิลเลี่ยม เจ้าบ่าว กล่าวว่า ดีใจมากที่ได้มีโอกาสเข้าพิธีแต่งงานแบบไทย ถึงแม้เจ้าสาวจะไม่ใช่หญิงแท้ แต่ตนก็ภูมิใจ เพราะเจ้าสาวนิสัยดี รู้จักทำงาน ตั้งแต่คบกันก็ดูแลมาตลอด จนกระทั่งแต่งงานเจ้าสาวก็ยืนยันจะทำอาชีพที่เคยทำอยู่ คือเสริมสวย และทำร้านอาหารในตัวเมืองนครพนม ที่ตนลงทุนให้ สำหรับการพบรักกับเจ้าสาว ตนถือไม่ใช่เรื่องแปลก เป็นความเข้าใจมากกว่า และพร้อมที่จะใช้ชีวิตอยู่ที่นครพนม

ส่วน นางคำเหลือง โพชราษฎร อายุ 73 ปี มารดาเจ้าสาว กล่าวว่า รู้สึกดีใจที่ลูกได้แต่งงาน ถึงแม้ลูกจะไม่ใช่หญิงแท้ แต่มีความเป็นหญิงมาตั้งแต่เกิด ซึ่งตนมีลูกทั้งหมด 6 คน หญิง 3 คน ชาย 3 คน แต่น้องญา เป็นลูกสาวคนสุดท้อง ถึงแม้ใครจะคิดยังไงก็ตาม ตนไม่สนใจเพราะถือว่าลูกเป็นคนดี มีอาชีพสุจริต เป็นความสุขในบั้นปลายชีวิต ที่ผ่านมาถึงลูกจะเป็นสาวประเภทสอง ญาติพี่น้องก็ไม่เคยรังเกียจ รักกันทุกคน

European 47-year-old native of Islands breathless bride price to 2.8 million young wedding with two types of 35-year-old native of Nakhon Phanom great host. Central China Table Tennis Table 200 confirm groom bride not be strange habits.

On July 3 journalist reported A wedding between two types of young white man with a neck of Ban Luang Tambon Tha Muang Nakhon Phanom occasion by holding the home at 17:59 am No. 195 of Luang Tambon Ban Muang, Nakhon Phanom Tha neck. home of the bride are Mr. attack people post 35 years old now renamed the process said pizza ญา people ญา young brother or groom is two types มิสเตอร์ Willis inlaid James Browne 47-year-old native of western North Island. Parade is the groom's parents ร้ dance culture in the formation of a northeast Rice offering ceremony to welcome back into the ceremony venue. Ban Luang in the stadium. A great host. China represents a table of 200 tables with kinfolk sidekick to foreigners. A wife of Nakhon Phanom And people worked very warm.

Mr. pizza ญา say am very happy. To have the opportunity to welcome back to join the rice offering ceremony bride Although born as a male. But they feel that it is nearly 100 percent of women and gender has converted many years. The money they saved from a beauty salon. Part of the groom found. Due to the poor house. Complete primary school enough to work in Bangkok and provinces to work until Pattaya Groom is an opportunity to see the groom when the motorcycle accident. Its to help Should result in the impression. Contact him in the past than the union. Decisions based on marriage traditions, and northeast

Mr. pizza ญา said the bride price for a hundred thousand baht cash 5 diamond necklace with the number 2 line 2 line diamond car hood and a number of cars and 1 total approximately $ 2.8 million after a marriage. Nakhon Phanom is a living and his mother care is a personal affair with a restaurant, beauty salon, a program ฮั the New Moon Will get to visit the country after Hong Kong. The Who will also ไง think they are young because they ignore two important types are the two loves. And groom never scorn Because they have a female heart care and love working with everything.

The high มิสเตอร์ Willis said groom are very happy to have the opportunity to a Thai wedding ceremony. Even if the bride is not a real woman. But they are proud of it. Because they know good work habits from the bridal union is always care. Until marriage bride is confirmed to have a career and a kid is in a restaurant in downtown Nakhon Phanom They invest. Found love for the bride They are not considered news. Is more than understanding. And ready to live in Nakhon Phanom

The yellow post her words help people age 73 years, mother bride said the customer feel happy marriage. Although children are not real women. But a woman since birth They have 6 children, all 3 male 3 female people person, but a brother ญา youngest daughter people. Who will even think to ไง. They do not care because children are considered good. Honest occupation. A happy life in nature. Ago to a young child to the two types. Relatives would not have disliked loving everyone.

Journalists reported that For this wedding is that the panic of Nakhon Phanom Again in around 2 months after last month when a sweetheart 26-year-old groom and age to get 73-year-old bride.

Source: Thairat Newspaper

ผู้สื่อข่าวรายงานอีกว่า สำหรับการแต่งงานครั้งนี้นับเป็นที่ฮือฮาของชาวนครพนม อีกครั้งในรอบ 2 เดือน หลังจากเมื่อเดือนที่ผ่านมามีคู่รักต่างวัย เจ้าบ่าววัย 26 ปี แต่งกับเจ้าสาววัย 73 ปี

ที่มา : หนังสือพิมพ์ไทยรัฐ

[Datsun240Z]

Harcourt, on 2009-07-04 10:03:21, said:

webfact, on 2009-07-04 13:50:17, said:

Trust that money is sufficient for the surgery....

The surgery is finished.

Amazing Thailand

[Diablo Bob]

Kinda Scary........

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Glad I'm married and don't have to wonder "Is she or isn't she?"  

[mmushr00m]

Diablo Bob, on 2009-07-05 17:12:45, said:

Kinda Scary........

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Glad I'm married and don't have to wonder "Is she or isn't she?"

OMG!!!! what have I done!!!!!     

j\k aside i say good for him, if this is what he wants , good on him.
He ummm they have the balls to do what they want.

[khundon]

Post deleted by myself.

Edited by khundon, 2009-07-05 19:44:22.

[gpdjohn]

InSiSongkram, on 2009-07-05 16:49:20, said:

Here is more of the story here and a poor translation via Google.


European 47-year-old native of Islands breathless bride price to 2.8 million young wedding with two types of 35-year-old native of Nakhon Phanom great host. Central China Table Tennis Table 200 confirm groom bride not be strange habits.

On July 3 journalist reported A wedding between two types of young white man with a neck of Ban Luang Tambon Tha Muang Nakhon Phanom occasion by holding the home at 17:59 am No. 195 of Luang Tambon Ban Muang, Nakhon Phanom Tha neck. home of the bride are Mr. attack people post 35 years old now renamed the process said pizza ญา people ญา young brother or groom is two types มิสเตอร์ Willis inlaid James Browne 47-year-old native of western North Island. Parade is the groom's parents ร้ dance culture in the formation of a northeast Rice offering ceremony to welcome back into the ceremony venue. Ban Luang in the stadium. A great host. China represents a table of 200 tables with kinfolk sidekick to foreigners. A wife of Nakhon Phanom And people worked very warm.

Mr. pizza ญา say am very happy. To have the opportunity to welcome back to join the rice offering ceremony bride Although born as a male. But they feel that it is nearly 100 percent of women and gender has converted many years. The money they saved from a beauty salon. Part of the groom found. Due to the poor house. Complete primary school enough to work in Bangkok and provinces to work until Pattaya Groom is an opportunity to see the groom when the motorcycle accident. Its to help Should result in the impression. Contact him in the past than the union. Decisions based on marriage traditions, and northeast

Mr. pizza ญา said the bride price for a hundred thousand baht cash 5 diamond necklace with the number 2 line 2 line diamond car hood and a number of cars and 1 total approximately $ 2.8 million after a marriage. Nakhon Phanom is a living and his mother care is a personal affair with a restaurant, beauty salon, a program ฮั the New Moon Will get to visit the country after Hong Kong. The Who will also ไง think they are young because they ignore two important types are the two loves. And groom never scorn Because they have a female heart care and love working with everything.

The high มิสเตอร์ Willis said groom are very happy to have the opportunity to a Thai wedding ceremony. Even if the bride is not a real woman. But they are proud of it. Because they know good work habits from the bridal union is always care. Until marriage bride is confirmed to have a career and a kid is in a restaurant in downtown Nakhon Phanom They invest. Found love for the bride They are not considered news. Is more than understanding. And ready to live in Nakhon Phanom

The yellow post her words help people age 73 years, mother bride said the customer feel happy marriage. Although children are not real women. But a woman since birth They have 6 children, all 3 male 3 female people person, but a brother ญา youngest daughter people. Who will even think to ไง. They do not care because children are considered good. Honest occupation. A happy life in nature. Ago to a young child to the two types. Relatives would not have disliked loving everyone.

Journalists reported that For this wedding is that the panic of Nakhon Phanom Again in around 2 months after last month when a sweetheart 26-year-old groom and age to get 73-year-old bride.

Source: Thairat Newspaper

ผู้สื่อข่าวรายงานอีกว่า สำหรับการแต่งงานครั้งนี้นับเป็นที่ฮือฮาของชาวนครพนม อีกครั้งในรอบ 2 เดือน หลังจากเมื่อเดือนที่ผ่านมามีคู่รักต่างวัย เจ้าบ่าววัย 26 ปี แต่งกับเจ้าสาววัย 73 ปี

ที่มา : หนังสือพิมพ์ไทยรัฐ

My god...
What a read..gave me one helluva headache.


Hey, as far as I'm concerned the guy could marry a 'ol nasty sheep.
I'm not the one who has to explain it to his father.
Going to be some hard times ahead for the "lovely" couple.

[LaoPo]

sassienie, on 2009-07-05 00:27:27, said:

Again this person is quoted as a she. You are living an illusion, pal.

Quite frankly, this sort of thing repulses me. This is not meant as an insult to the person, but only to what they do and how they do it.

This openness and the displaying of something like this as the norm, is sending out all the wrong messages to the younger generations.

For a member who claims to be an "intelligent member" like you describe yourself, I'm amazed by your shortsighted view of life in general in Thailand and the world as a whole.

I'm also surprised that you know so little about transgender identities and transsexual people in particular who were born in a different skin than you or me.
To grow up is pure he_l for the latter human beings because they didn't chose to be born like that.

The struggle for homosexuals and lesbians to come out of the closet is already a huge victory for most of them.

For transsexual human beings that struggle is immensely larger.

That such a situation repulses you is your own problem but that these human beings have the courage to talk about it and even marry is an enormous victory you can't even comprehend because you live in your own small world where there is no place for other opinions but your own.

That's fine with me but don't judge other people who are different than the average John and Mary.

Just in case (I'm sure you will, being an "intelligent member") you want to study a bit:

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Transsexual

http://en.wikipedia....der#Transsexual

LaoPo

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quoted....." Journalists reported that For this wedding is that the panic of Nakhon Phanom Again in around 2 months after last month when a sweetheart 26-year-old groom and age to get 73-year-old bride.
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Wow! Now Nakor Phanom has two big tourist attractions.    I guess the medias are having a field day.