Posted 2010-05-23 15:55:12
 mamborobert, on 2010-05-23 15:49:33, said:
I have been in a bar in CM when the "Music Police" paid a vist, somes bars had a license on the wall and had no problems. One (the one I was in (did not). At first it was two young well dressed guys. The farang owner pretended to be a customer and left the bar manager to wear it all. As no assistance was coming the two guys disappeared, came back later with uniformed police and a video camera, all in all they wer every professional, I was more impresssed with them than the bar owner abandoning his staff (as I gather he had no work permit). Ended up as a 25k baht fine at the police station, all for the sake of (from memory a 5 or 8k baht license). They did take away a few dozen burned cd's as well never to return. Came back a few days later and the license is up on the wall.
99.9% of bar owners don't have work permits and can't even spell the word. 
Posted 2010-05-23 16:05:32
gotlost, on 2010-05-23 16:55:12, said: mamborobert, on 2010-05-23 15:49:33, said: I have been in a bar in CM when the "Music Police" paid a vist, somes bars had a license on the wall and had no problems. One (the one I was in (did not). At first it was two young well dressed guys. The farang owner pretended to be a customer and left the bar manager to wear it all. As no assistance was coming the two guys disappeared, came back later with uniformed police and a video camera, all in all they wer every professional, I was more impresssed with them than the bar owner abandoning his staff (as I gather he had no work permit). Ended up as a 25k baht fine at the police station, all for the sake of (from memory a 5 or 8k baht license). They did take away a few dozen burned cd's as well never to return. Came back a few days later and the license is up on the wall.
99.9% of bar owners don't have work permits and can't even spell the word.
I hear you ok on that issue, wonder who the .1 is
I was still suprised at how quickly this guy abandoned his staff, I mean even if he said he was the owner all it would be was a quick trip to the station and (probably a larger) fine. As it is the girl got threatened with the over night stay and this guy did f all. Not sure if he was worried about getting a bigger fine, or his own welfare (I think the later). Anyhow ...not having a work permit and owning or running bar I can let slide,abandoning your staff, and female staff at that, to save your own skin, for being too tight to get a license when everyone else managed to, is the bit I find hard to wear. The girls were pretty much terrified at getting in trouble with BIB and I gather most had kids to go back to that night or morning, just can't understand some guys.
Posted 2010-05-23 16:18:40
mamborobert, on 2010-05-23 16:05:32, said: gotlost, on 2010-05-23 16:55:12, said: mamborobert, on 2010-05-23 15:49:33, said: I have been in a bar in CM when the "Music Police" paid a vist, somes bars had a license on the wall and had no problems. One (the one I was in (did not). At first it was two young well dressed guys. The farang owner pretended to be a customer and left the bar manager to wear it all. As no assistance was coming the two guys disappeared, came back later with uniformed police and a video camera, all in all they wer every professional, I was more impresssed with them than the bar owner abandoning his staff (as I gather he had no work permit). Ended up as a 25k baht fine at the police station, all for the sake of (from memory a 5 or 8k baht license). They did take away a few dozen burned cd's as well never to return. Came back a few days later and the license is up on the wall.
99.9% of bar owners don't have work permits and can't even spell the word.
I hear you ok on that issue, wonder who the .1 is
I was still suprised at how quickly this guy abandoned his staff, I mean even if he said he was the owner all it would be was a quick trip to the station and (probably a larger) fine. As it is the girl got threatened with the over night stay and this guy did f all. Not sure if he was worried about getting a bigger fine, or his own welfare (I think the later). Anyhow ...not having a work permit and owning or running bar I can let slide,abandoning your staff, and female staff at that, to save your own skin, for being too tight to get a license when everyone else managed to, is the bit I find hard to wear. The girls were pretty much terrified at getting in trouble with BIB and I gather most had kids to go back to that night or morning, just can't understand some guys.
For the typical bar operation that the punter sees a farang is NOT going to get a work permit nor will the authorities issue one.
Edited by gotlost, 2010-05-23 16:19:48.
Posted 2010-05-23 22:20:06
gotlost, on 2010-05-23 16:18:40, said: mamborobert, on 2010-05-23 16:05:32, said: gotlost, on 2010-05-23 16:55:12, said: mamborobert, on 2010-05-23 15:49:33, said: I have been in a bar in CM when the "Music Police" paid a vist, somes bars had a license on the wall and had no problems. One (the one I was in (did not). At first it was two young well dressed guys. The farang owner pretended to be a customer and left the bar manager to wear it all. As no assistance was coming the two guys disappeared, came back later with uniformed police and a video camera, all in all they wer every professional, I was more impresssed with them than the bar owner abandoning his staff (as I gather he had no work permit). Ended up as a 25k baht fine at the police station, all for the sake of (from memory a 5 or 8k baht license). They did take away a few dozen burned cd's as well never to return. Came back a few days later and the license is up on the wall.
99.9% of bar owners don't have work permits and can't even spell the word.
I hear you ok on that issue, wonder who the .1 is
I was still suprised at how quickly this guy abandoned his staff, I mean even if he said he was the owner all it would be was a quick trip to the station and (probably a larger) fine. As it is the girl got threatened with the over night stay and this guy did f all. Not sure if he was worried about getting a bigger fine, or his own welfare (I think the later). Anyhow ...not having a work permit and owning or running bar I can let slide,abandoning your staff, and female staff at that, to save your own skin, for being too tight to get a license when everyone else managed to, is the bit I find hard to wear. The girls were pretty much terrified at getting in trouble with BIB and I gather most had kids to go back to that night or morning, just can't understand some guys.
For the typical bar operation that the punter sees a farang is NOT going to get a work permit nor will the authorities issue one.
eh? i thought most would have their paperwork in order as this type of business would be one of the first places that would get shaken down
Posted 2010-05-23 22:34:32
If this is nothing but a big scam, and the license certificates are worthless, why don't all the bar owners pool their resources and mass duplicate the licenses certs that have already been paid for? Scan, change the names accordingly, print, frame and hang up. I doubt these people have some way to quickly verify authenticity before you are able to completely sanitize your computer of all music, etc.
-Mestizo
Posted 2010-05-23 23:32:17
Mestizo, on 2010-05-23 22:34:32, said: If this is nothing but a big scam, and the license certificates are worthless, why don't all the bar owners pool their resources and mass duplicate the licenses certs that have already been paid for? Scan, change the names accordingly, print, frame and hang up. I doubt these people have some way to quickly verify authenticity before you are able to completely sanitize your computer of all music, etc.
-Mestizo
"bar owners pool their their resources"
Posted 2010-05-24 10:27:32
Donnyboy, on 2010-05-23 22:20:06, said: gotlost, on 2010-05-23 16:18:40, said:
For the typical bar operation that the punter sees a farang is NOT going to get a work permit nor will the authorities issue one.
eh? i thought most would have their paperwork in order as this type of business would be one of the first places that would get shaken down
As the owner, I don't think a work permit is required - just a non-immigrant B visa - as they aren't allowed to work in the bar and are seen as just the 'investor'. At least that's what a bar owner told me.
Edited by Loaded, 2010-05-24 10:28:38.
Posted 2010-05-24 10:35:31
Loaded, on 2010-05-24 10:27:32, said: Donnyboy, on 2010-05-23 22:20:06, said: gotlost, on 2010-05-23 16:18:40, said:
For the typical bar operation that the punter sees a farang is NOT going to get a work permit nor will the authorities issue one.
eh? i thought most would have their paperwork in order as this type of business would be one of the first places that would get shaken down
As the owner, I don't think a work permit is required - just a non-immigrant B visa - as they aren't allowed to work in the bar and are seen as just the 'investor'.
Retirement, marriage, O, visa on arrival, 30 day, name a visa and that's all it takes. 99.9% of all bars are flying under the radar by their farang financial backer. Technical and legally the farang can not be seen doing any kind of work in a bar setting. Most of the bars that are seen on LK are on a 1 and if lucky 2 years lease.
Most of these lease will be in the wife's or g/f name why because the alcohol license has to be in a Thais name and the most of the time the licence department requires that the lease be in the same name.
Edited by gotlost, 2010-05-24 10:43:09.
Posted 2010-05-24 17:49:32
Mestizo, on 2010-05-23 22:34:32, said: If this is nothing but a big scam, and the license certificates are worthless, why don't all the bar owners pool their resources and mass duplicate the licenses certs that have already been paid for? Scan, change the names accordingly, print, frame and hang up. I doubt these people have some way to quickly verify authenticity before you are able to completely sanitize your computer of all music, etc.
-Mestizo
The wife had a place on Soi 2 and when she was there last year had 4 visits from the "Music Police" inside 9 months
(Which netted over 250,000 baht if the "victims" figures are to be believed)
She got a license after the first visit into the soi (but not to us at that time) and every time after just showed the correct accepted licence (less than 4,000 baht) and away they went, it is harder if using pc but the downloaded license is same price.
BUT, be warned it is only for Farang music and not Thai music.
Also watch out for them trying to put a thumb drive in your pc as this can load up anything!.
Other places I know,
A: refused to allow access and
B: got the Camera out and took pictures of all the "officers" and the vehicle. they do not like this for some reason!! and usually leave.
However, for piece of mind just get the licence, it is extremly easy and can be done online in about 2 days
I can e mail the links if required Music Licence Details
Cheers
Richard
Edited by heazille, 2010-05-24 17:55:25.
Posted 2010-05-25 10:29:52
Donnyboy, on 2010-05-23 11:24:46, said: unfortunately, these scammers aren't caught by police and dealt with, so they carry on their scamming ways
they are probably BIB or ex BIB doing this part time imo
When they ran this scam about 1½ years ago, they took people to the main police station inside the moat.
They aren't bring caught because the right police is being paid off. And there is a lot of money to pay off with, last time they ran the scam I heard it estimated that they made over 2 mill bath.
Posted 2010-05-25 10:36:07
gotlost, on 2010-05-24 10:35:31, said: Loaded, on 2010-05-24 10:27:32, said: Donnyboy, on 2010-05-23 22:20:06, said: gotlost, on 2010-05-23 16:18:40, said:
For the typical bar operation that the punter sees a farang is NOT going to get a work permit nor will the authorities issue one.
eh? i thought most would have their paperwork in order as this type of business would be one of the first places that would get shaken down
As the owner, I don't think a work permit is required - just a non-immigrant B visa - as they aren't allowed to work in the bar and are seen as just the 'investor'.
Retirement, marriage, O, visa on arrival, 30 day, name a visa and that's all it takes. 99.9% of all bars are flying under the radar by their farang financial backer. Technical and legally the farang can not be seen doing any kind of work in a bar setting. Most of the bars that are seen on LK are on a 1 and if lucky 2 years lease.
Most of these lease will be in the wife's or g/f name why because the alcohol license has to be in a Thais name and the most of the time the licence department requires that the lease be in the same name.
I have my place on LK on a 3 times 3 year lease, and I have a work permit to work there.
I hardly ever do though, too lazy
Posted 2010-05-25 11:47:32
AndersSN, on 2010-05-25 10:29:52, said: Donnyboy, on 2010-05-23 11:24:46, said: unfortunately, these scammers aren't caught by police and dealt with, so they carry on their scamming ways
they are probably BIB or ex BIB doing this part time imo
When they ran this scam about 1½ years ago, they took people to the main police station inside the moat.
They aren't bring caught because the right police is being paid off. And there is a lot of money to pay off with, last time they ran the scam I heard it estimated that they made over 2 mill bath.
2 Mill baht just for CM?
times that by the other areas of LOS, ka-ching!!!!!
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