mrbp, on 2009-07-24 00:27:24, said:
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Penang: Tourist Visa Rejected If Have 3 Tvisas Already...CRACKDOWN ON BACK-TO-BACK TOURIST VISAS
Started by sedeflonga, 2009-07-22 19:58
#251
International Gypsy Member Posted 2009-07-24 06:46:33
Thank Buddha my boy goes to Gordonstoun.
#252
Newbie Posted 2009-07-24 06:57:41
Today i arrived at bana guesthouse and I was told when I gave them my passport, that since yesterday over 30 passports were rejected for tourist visa. The reason was stated as: If you have 3 Tourist Visa's already you have to fly in your own country to get another one. I was told this by staff of bananguesthouse and can not verify it. I myself have 3 tourist visas (yeah, dam_n...) and tomorrow I will see whether I will get rejected too. I have a daughter and try to go for Non-O Visa (never did it, lets see...) I just wanted everyone to know before you come here to penang, because here is a lot of chaos -farang wise. Some don't know where to go or what to do. People breaking down. I wonder why people can not fly/drive to Thailand and get the 15/30days. Anyone has a idea whats going on? It started yesterday 21.07.2009. pffffffff if you have a connection or know someone that`s not a problem. #253
Newbie Posted 2009-07-24 09:03:48
Lets hope this isnt a new trend to sweep through to all consulates . I cant see that happening though . Hello, By the way, does anyone know if it is still possible in Vientiane to get a Tourist Visa, nowadays ?? I hope so... #254
Superb Member Posted 2009-07-24 09:11:25
Lets hope this isnt a new trend to sweep through to all consulates . I cant see that happening though . Hello, By the way, does anyone know if it is still possible in Vientiane to get a Tourist Visa, nowadays ?? I hope so... No problem at all there, even double entry tourist visas. #255
Platinum Member Posted 2009-07-24 09:23:57
Perhaps part of the government's drive to eliminate the tourism industry entirely by 2020.
#256
Newbie Posted 2009-07-24 09:50:53
I really dont see what the fuss is all about if you are staying in Thailand long term, tourist visa's are for tourists, visitors to the country, people that are here for only a short period ( i.e ~3months).
If you want to stay here longer then you are no longer a tourist and you have to go through the correct channels and get the relevant paperwork, much the same as you would in your own country. For those of us that are here legally, have legal visa's and work permits, all you scammers are making it even harder for us to do it legally, paying outlandish tax rates, unbelievable company tax payments, twice yearly book-keeping, etc etc, all these things cost money and I can understand if some people cannot afford it, you must leave then. For example, I want a Ferrari, but I cant afford it, does that mean that I am gonna go and complain in the Ferrari forums that they are charging too much for their cars and should make some available to the small man that only wants it for the weekend! It just doesnt work does it. Yes, the Thai government is constantly moving the goalposts, not surprising really as their immigration laws were always 20 years behind the west, If you are not british, then go and try and get a visa for the UK, I am sure you would have fun battling the english bureaucrats. The same for Australians and Americans, getting into Oz and the US is not easy, especially if you want to stay and work. Thailand is not so picky, they will take virtually anyone, a wander through Koasan Rd or Patpong will demonstrate this too you, all the dregs of the western world are allowed into Thailand. I could go on about this for hours, I am fed up with reading in this forum the moans and whinges of farang law breakers coming here and attempting to get something for nothing, although my heart does go out to anyone who is ATTEMPTING to stay here legally, either as a farang or married to a Thai, it can be rough doing it the legal way but I firmly believe that if they manage to stamp out the illegal farangs then it will become easier for the legal ones to make a life here. #257
Superb Member Posted 2009-07-24 09:58:00
So far it is a policy of the consul in Penang, not of the Thai government.
#258
Senior Member Posted 2009-07-24 10:48:36
apparently tourism is down drastically in the south, hard to understand why??????, this will help?????? EH EH EH... GOOD ONE! #259
Super Member Posted 2009-07-24 12:07:54
The Thai government have laws on visa's the same as any other country . If they change the rules now and again , ok , just do as they ask.
Those of you that think people staying here are flaunting the laws , wake up . Everyone who requires a visa, does exactly as the government asks , there is no back door, we follow the rules. So for all of you 2 faced hypocrites , try thinking about what you write before spouting off about those who are here on ' Tourist Visa's. Regardess of what visa you have , it is a visa and is what is required . Nuff Said !! #260
Super Member Posted 2009-07-24 12:16:38
I really dont see what the fuss is all about if you are staying in Thailand long term, tourist visa's are for tourists, visitors to the country, people that are here for only a short period ( i.e ~3months). If you want to stay here longer then you are no longer a tourist and you have to go through the correct channels and get the relevant paperwork, much the same as you would in your own country. For those of us that are here legally, have legal visa's and work permits, all you scammers are making it even harder for us to do it legally, paying outlandish tax rates, unbelievable company tax payments, twice yearly book-keeping, etc etc, all these things cost money and I can understand if some people cannot afford it, you must leave then. For example, I want a Ferrari, but I cant afford it, does that mean that I am gonna go and complain in the Ferrari forums that they are charging too much for their cars and should make some available to the small man that only wants it for the weekend! It just doesnt work does it. Yes, the Thai government is constantly moving the goalposts, not surprising really as their immigration laws were always 20 years behind the west, If you are not british, then go and try and get a visa for the UK, I am sure you would have fun battling the english bureaucrats. The same for Australians and Americans, getting into Oz and the US is not easy, especially if you want to stay and work. Thailand is not so picky, they will take virtually anyone, a wander through Koasan Rd or Patpong will demonstrate this too you, all the dregs of the western world are allowed into Thailand. I could go on about this for hours, I am fed up with reading in this forum the moans and whinges of farang law breakers coming here and attempting to get something for nothing, although my heart does go out to anyone who is ATTEMPTING to stay here legally, either as a farang or married to a Thai, it can be rough doing it the legal way but I firmly believe that if they manage to stamp out the illegal farangs then it will become easier for the legal ones to make a life here. You are right re western and even some ASEAN countries immigration laws vs Thai ones. However playing the holier than thou from your ivory tower is not going to solve anything. Incidentally if one applies for a visa to UK, US , Canada and Australia etc there tend to be consistent rules world wide for the that country and the majority of applicants. That said seems there are a large number of wingeing POMS etc out there waiting for someone to solve their problems.......don't there? re your view of the tourist dregs..you been to Mexico , P' Rico or Cairns..lol? #261
Expat Member™ Posted 2009-07-24 12:28:08
I really dont see what the fuss is all about if you are staying in Thailand long term, tourist visa's are for tourists, visitors to the country, people that are here for only a short period ( i.e ~3months). If you want to stay here longer then you are no longer a tourist and you have to go through the correct channels and get the relevant paperwork, much the same as you would in your own country. For those of us that are here legally, have legal visa's and work permits, all you scammers are making it even harder for us to do it legally, paying outlandish tax rates, unbelievable company tax payments, twice yearly book-keeping, etc etc, all these things cost money and I can understand if some people cannot afford it, you must leave then. For example, I want a Ferrari, but I cant afford it, does that mean that I am gonna go and complain in the Ferrari forums that they are charging too much for their cars and should make some available to the small man that only wants it for the weekend! It just doesnt work does it. Yes, the Thai government is constantly moving the goalposts, not surprising really as their immigration laws were always 20 years behind the west, If you are not british, then go and try and get a visa for the UK, I am sure you would have fun battling the english bureaucrats. The same for Australians and Americans, getting into Oz and the US is not easy, especially if you want to stay and work. Thailand is not so picky, they will take virtually anyone, a wander through Koasan Rd or Patpong will demonstrate this too you, all the dregs of the western world are allowed into Thailand. I could go on about this for hours, I am fed up with reading in this forum the moans and whinges of farang law breakers coming here and attempting to get something for nothing, although my heart does go out to anyone who is ATTEMPTING to stay here legally, either as a farang or married to a Thai, it can be rough doing it the legal way but I firmly believe that if they manage to stamp out the illegal farangs then it will become easier for the legal ones to make a life here. 
#262
Advanced Member Posted 2009-07-24 12:44:32
Some consulates don't like people traveling to Thailand a lot on tourist visa and can give a stamp in your passport saying that they will not further isue a tourist visa to you. That is the policy of the consul, not of the Thai government. its a very hard job to stamp many many farang passports everyday , they get tired of it and they want relax a bit probably... nobody control them anyway.. #263
Newbie Posted 2009-07-24 13:14:58
This is not just a Penang problem. Kota Baru are no longer issuing tourist visas if you have 3 used visas. I got that from Herbert who runs a visa run bus firm operating between samui and Kota Baru- so Kota Baru is also a definite no (he also said you may have to leave Asia completely to get a tourist visa!) . Its also not just a problem with Banana Guest house as one poster suggested as I called njbookshop (usually sort you a visa out no problem) and they said they have been unable to get visas issued for such people.
Looks like KL/Vientiane may be the closest, if they are still issuing #264
Advanced Member Posted 2009-07-24 13:33:17
This is not just a Penang problem. Kota Baru are no longer issuing tourist visas if you have 3 used visas. I got that from Herbert who runs a visa run bus firm operating between samui and Kota Baru- so Kota Baru is also a definite no (he also said you may have to leave Asia completely to get a tourist visa!) . Its also not just a problem with Banana Guest house as one poster suggested as I called njbookshop (usually sort you a visa out no problem) and they said they have been unable to get visas issued for such people. Looks like KL/Vientiane may be the closest, if they are still issuing maybe sooner vientiane will start also refuse people who asking for tourist visa, when everbody hear and go there now apply for tr, will be kaos in there. #265
Senior Member Posted 2009-07-24 14:25:41
The Thai government have laws on visa's the same as any other country . If they change the rules now and again , ok , just do as they ask. Those of you that think people staying here are flaunting the laws , wake up . Everyone who requires a visa, does exactly as the government asks , there is no back door, we follow the rules. So for all of you 2 faced hypocrites , try thinking about what you write before spouting off about those who are here on ' Tourist Visa's. Regardess of what visa you have , it is a visa and is what is required . Nuff Said !! How does this include permanent visitors, i.e. a person who arrives and never leaves? Those are immigrants. So this implies the visas are intended for people touring i.e. visiting with the intention of returning home; hence the requirement to show an air ticket. Compare it say to obtaining a business licence back in your home. If you hold a permit to trade fish in a market, it does not entitle you to open a casino - but they are both permits. #266
International Gypsy Member Posted 2009-07-24 14:48:05
Further to the suggestion that some are 'forced' to use consecutive Tourist visas because there is not a visa type specific to their 'just testing the water to see if [insert employment of choice here] is a sustainable employment option' reason for being here.
So the Thai authorities, who are are claimed to be in denial of the importance of unqualified and inexperienced [insert employment category, skill or trade here] have a mensa moment and create this new 'no thanks, just looking, thank you' type visa and the foreigners simply flood in. Some of these get employed, get WP's, get paid, get legal... while the greater amount of them quit and float around thinking of what to do next... teach a bit, pitch time-share a bit, dabble as a real-estate, dive. No WP so they don't need to report to the Labour Dept or even leave the country every time they quit. Down the pub, have a few beers, flirt with the girlies... nice. Roll the clock forward another 10 or so years and there's another need for a purge of all this deadwood who consider that being an illegal deadbeat in Thailand is much more sustainable than being the same back home, mainly because the weather is better of course. Edited by NanLaew, 2009-07-24 15:09:34. #267
Platinum Member Posted 2009-07-24 14:52:05
I really dont see what the fuss is all about if you are staying in Thailand long term, tourist visa's are for tourists, visitors to the country, people that are here for only a short period ( i.e ~3months). Your post falls down at the first post.... If this were the case, why it is still possible to obtain Triple Entry Tourist visas valid for six months, theoretically allowing you an over eight month stay? Of course the point is that 'tourists' go home....eventually  It's the people who don't want to go or can't afford to go home and are unable to fit the criteria for other types of long stay visa who are shouting the loudest.
#268
Platinum Member Posted 2009-07-24 15:29:20
The Thai government have laws on visa's the same as any other country . If they change the rules now and again , ok , just do as they ask. Those of you that think people staying here are flaunting the laws , wake up . Everyone who requires a visa, does exactly as the government asks , there is no back door, we follow the rules. So for all of you 2 faced hypocrites , try thinking about what you write before spouting off about those who are here on ' Tourist Visa's. Regardess of what visa you have , it is a visa and is what is required . Nuff Said !! A tourist visa therefor is a tourist visa.... A Non-Imm-B for "Business" - covers all around the big "B", employment the lot! A Non-Imm-O for "Others" as in being married, retirement, etc. all of them have certain criteria to be fulfilled by the applicant if not application will be rejected! On a good day, anyone ever experienced what is going on at Penang Consulate? And not being completely blind to certain things like dress code, appearance, one may only guess... I f.E. stayed 10 in a row and never had to leave... it's possible, but ONLY if the applicant is willing to fulfill the requested criteria - it's all up to the applicant NOT to the government or TAT - who whishes to make a fool out of him/herself welcome - go ahead - but stop whinging! About an assumed wronghandling about your intentions ILLEGALY working in a country which gives an incredible amount of individual freedom to everyone without being asked - except the visa story has became more stingent - and who do you think caused that? The "bureaucrats"? Because "they don't want tourism"? 
#269
Advanced Member Posted 2009-07-24 18:02:06
I could go on about this for hours, I am fed up with reading in this forum the moans and whinges of farang law breakers coming here and attempting to get something for nothing, although my heart does go out to anyone who is ATTEMPTING to stay here legally, either as a farang or married to a Thai, it can be rough doing it the legal way but I firmly believe that if they manage to stamp out the illegal farangs then it will become easier for the legal ones to make a life here. I can't seem to understand why there is such outrage against teachers without degrees; when did these all high and mighty expats appear from and think that Thailand is theirs all of a sudden? 1. Let's look at this logically - a degree does NOT mean you will make a good teacher; it's like saying I have a degree in Biology so I would make a good racing car driver. A teaching certificate or teaching experience would probably make someone a good teacher. Yes, someone with a degree in teaching or English would be an excellent choice, but would they choose the low pay in Thailand? 2. "People are not putting anything back in as it's Thai money being paid to these teacher" - has some basis this point, but it could be argued if you got rid of all the teachers without degrees or using fake ones, what are you left with? Some qualified teachers, some degreed teachers who may not actually be any good and...... a HUGE shortage of teachers, meaning less people getting taught English all round the country, which would mean less oportunities for the locals. this would be a big impact and will hurt Thailand on the International stage. So, YES they are putting something back in. 3. What is it that winds these people up on the boards, just because people don't have degrees or work permits? The poster quoted above, said it's costing him more money. Give me a break! In what context? You must know Thailand by now, to know if they will make more money or work out of you, they will; it has NOTHING to do with other farang without the right papers. Nothing! 4. Yes there are lowlife aroung Patpong and Kho San; try Nana too, complete lowlifes, but you make it sound these are all illegal teachers!!!!!! A lot will be tourists that don't stay too long or expacts with the correct papers. I think the schools and Thailand should be concentrating getting rid of teachers or others that prey on young girls or who have criminal records settling over here then rather worrying if a teacher has a degree or not. They are the ones we need to rid of, not the non-degree teachers. 5. It is the law though and people should respect it - I agree, people are breaking the law, but all these high and mighty 'hey look at me, loaddsamoney with correct visa types' I must ask - have you paid for a girl over here for sex? Not that you will admit it on here, but if you have then you are a complete hypocrite as though Thailand may not look like it sometimes, the sex trade IS illegal. So, practice what you preach and as you've been saying ....... go home! I met some guy here the other week who loved himself a bit, had a degree got good paid IT job that snorts coke all the time, gets his Thai friends into the drug and shags anything going. Great example..... throw that idiot home instead. I can see how it may amuse people slightly, that someone is not here legally; but all these high and mighty types I would love to see what you would do if a new Thai law came in tomorrow that stopped you being able to live here. Would you look for a loophole if it was quite easy to get away with it? Or would you go home? I think very much like the rest of us on here, you'd look for a way to stay, and if not, I think you're lying. #270
Super Member Posted 2009-07-24 18:54:43
How many of you whiners are real tourist. If you have more than a few tourist visas back to back I would say you are not a tourist. I know I know< I come here long time and spend big money and support family, then get a real visa for that purpose. Oh dear no 1 #271
Senior Member Posted 2009-07-24 19:27:05
I can see how it may amuse people slightly, that someone is not here legally; but all these high and mighty types I would love to see what you would do if a new Thai law came in tomorrow that stopped you being able to live here. Would you look for a loophole if it was quite easy to get away with it? Or would you go home? I think very much like the rest of us on here, you'd look for a way to stay, and if not, I think you're lying. This does not mean such people are necessarily bad or even a burden on the country; it just means the law does not allow illegal immigrants - as in most countries. It's black and white in most desirable countries; you either qualify or you don't. The biggest mistake Thai Immigration made was to ever allow multiple TV. This sent out the message that people can "live" here without going through proper screening etc. The solution - only issue single tourist visas in the passport holders' own country, or if in a different country the holder must provide legal proof of residence in that country to qualify. I would still allow 30 days on entry but refuse back to back entrances unless separated by say 10 days. Edited by ParadiseLost, 2009-07-24 19:47:47. #272
Member Posted 2009-07-24 20:06:12
This thread seems to have tuned into an endless rant ...
Going through it, I'm not quite sure if I got the facts straight. I'm heading to Penang next week with the intent to get a new tourist visa. I only have one recent thai tourist visa in my passport (my current visa, which expires next week), and another one from the last time I was in Thailand about a year ago. Does anyone know for a fact (and not just speculating) that I will, or will not get another visa issued to me in Penang. Is the trouble only for those who have tried to get 3 or more successive toursit visas? Thanks! #273
Platinum Member Posted 2009-07-24 20:17:11
I can see how it may amuse people slightly, that someone is not here legally; but all these high and mighty types I would love to see what you would do if a new Thai law came in tomorrow that stopped you being able to live here. Would you look for a loophole if it was quite easy to get away with it? Or would you go home? I think very much like the rest of us on here, you'd look for a way to stay, and if not, I think you're lying. This does not mean such people are necessarily bad or even a burden on the country; it just means the law does not allow illegal immigrants - as in most countries. It's black and white in most desirable countries; you either qualify or you don't. The biggest mistake Thai Immigration made was to ever allow multiple TV. This sent out the message that people can "live" here without going through proper screening etc. The solution - only issue single tourist visas in the passport holders' own country, or if in a different country the holder must provide legal proof of residence in that country to qualify. I would still allow 30 days on entry but refuse back to back entrances unless separated by say 10 days. It is posts like yours that make me hope they abrogate the grandfathered-in rules. On that day a lot of posters who are supporting these xenophobic visa rules will no doubt change their tune. Thailand is hanging itself with these rules.........surrounding countries take a very different view towards expats/tourists and are benefiting financially from Thailand's successive mistakes. #274
Advanced Member Posted 2009-07-24 20:28:12
I can see how it can wind people up whinging about a system in place that people are trying to fudge their way around; but at that same time if all those people on here with the correct visas are moaning about others on tourist visas - they are whinging too, plus what are they doing on a thread concerning tourist visas?
They should have no interest as it doesn't concern them, hence why all the people who are on here needing TVs are having a whinge; I think it's just a case of some know-it-all-high-and-mightys-who-think-they-are-now-thai coming onto threads and shoving their opinions onto threads that doesn't concern them; this is not the only thread I have seen it on. Myself, I would prefer to go legit and will try and get a non O from Hull when I return in Oct, but would that still make a bad apple in they eyes of some here, because I have no WP yet due to no degree? I know there is a possibility I could get one as the school and kids would hate to lose me and may try and twist some arms; but even so, that's still not a legit way. At the same time, it isn't right that people are abusing the system, but people are doing it to keep jobs etc. If I had all the right papers, I wouldn't hate on the teachers here without WPs or degrees as I am more concerned we should think of getting the evil farang out of this country instead; so-called gangsters, drug dealers and paedos - that's what is giving the farang the bad name. Just walk down Nana and see some of the clientel grabbing the girls; their the ones that need to be rid of. At the end of the day, I think if Thailand really wanted to, it could stop the multiple entries, easy, no problem - so it obviously DOES want to keep some illegal workers in. Why? They know the country is infested with too many and the loss would have a ripple affects to their education system and other avenues (diving etc). Plus, I don't think too many immigration officers would be too happy; if you get my drift. 
#275
Senior Member Posted 2009-07-24 21:02:45
I can see how it can wind people up whinging about a system in place that people are trying to fudge their way around; but at that same time if all those people on here with the correct visas are moaning about others on tourist visas - they are whinging too, plus what are they doing on a thread concerning tourist visas? They should have no interest as it doesn't concern them, hence why all the people who are on here needing TVs are having a whinge; I think it's just a case of some know-it-all-high-and-mightys-who-think-they-are-now-thai coming onto threads and shoving their opinions onto threads that doesn't concern them; this is not the only thread I have seen it on. Myself, I would prefer to go legit and will try and get a non O from Hull when I return in Oct, but would that still make a bad apple in they eyes of some here, because I have no WP yet due to no degree? I know there is a possibility I could get one as the school and kids would hate to lose me and may try and twist some arms; but even so, that's still not a legit way. At the same time, it isn't right that people are abusing the system, but people are doing it to keep jobs etc. If I had all the right papers, I wouldn't hate on the teachers here without WPs or degrees as I am more concerned we should think of getting the evil farang out of this country instead; so-called gangsters, drug dealers and paedos - that's what is giving the farang the bad name. Just walk down Nana and see some of the clientel grabbing the girls; their the ones that need to be rid of. At the end of the day, I think if Thailand really wanted to, it could stop the multiple entries, easy, no problem - so it obviously DOES want to keep some illegal workers in. Why? They know the country is infested with too many and the loss would have a ripple affects to their education system and other avenues (diving etc). Plus, I don't think too many immigration officers would be too happy; if you get my drift. At the end of the day people will have to sort their lives out and move on, perhaps to Cambodia, Malaysia etc. but for how long until they are caught out there. Face it, if you want to live/work somewhere and have any security, you have to find a legal way. Tourist visas are not abused like this in the countries of most (if not all) posters, so why should it be different here? I have no resentment for you, nor anyone else, no matter what your visa status - but you need to accept that things are as they are. I agree there is a need for teachers, and I agree the current legislation is not fair but it won't change - no matter how hard you cry, stomp your feet or hold your breath   
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