Posted 2009-07-24 21:36:56
 Pui, on 2009-07-24 20:30:46, said:
Does anyone know of any better services than “True 8mb”
(which is certainly not True in the sense of the word)
CAT does offer retail DSL service in many parts of Bangkok. We ended our True service and went with CAT's 2Mb download service. International bandwidth is dramatically better than anything True ever provided.
I stream TV from the US using a Slingcatcher box in California. It lets me control a DVR and watch shows. Once we switched over to the CAT 2Mb service the streams have become pretty acceptable just about all day. (With True I had to wait for Bangkok to go to sleep before I had acceptable international bandwdith.)
Posted 2009-07-24 21:40:50
sillyfools, on 2009-07-24 20:41:07, said: I don't really think it will be a significant speed improvement as it is claimed because dinosaur providers such as TOT hardly use the CAT-IIG. They want to save costs and get most of their bandwidth from TM. They will tap into it over there probably.
The reason why I state it is that overall speeds to the USA are very reasonable but speeds and connectivity to EUROPE is a complete DISASTER. Instead of adding more and more bandwidth to the USA it would make more sense to double the bandwidth to Europe instead.
That in itself will increase the speed to the USA as well as now 70% of all traffic to Europe is passing through the USA which makes it enormeously slow. Think of 500 ms instead of 200ms.
It would also be good to instead have a few technicians who at least know the basics of routing data around the world.
Often packets destined for the USA traverse the European backbone, while packets for Europe pass through the US. Absolutely ridiculous. I have sent them already many emails about it but as with everything in the CAT and TOT dinosaur companies... nothing happens and not even a reply is sent back even though the emails have a delivery report.
Must have some real geniuses working over there.....
I agree to comments before, CAT to Europe is a disaster. For the last week its been worthless from about 5pm thro 2am. However, the truth is that its not CAT, its their peering partners that provides the international bandwidth.
As for delay, thats really not the issue with most internet applications or indeed if your just browsing. The real problem here is that the international bandwidth to Europe is so full that severe packet loss occurs. Packets are dropped because the router interface queues on the international links are so full they overflow. Your browser sits waiting for a TCP ack which never arrives. Eventually it retries but if you loose the retry your waiting even longer until eventually the whole connection fails. I actually build international backbone for a certain ISP (non Thai provider i'm afraid) and have good visability of whats going on.
This new bandwidth to USA will not suddenly be available to everyone but if we're lucky it may relieve some of the pressure on us all. Potentially better routing to west coast USA might relieve relieve pressure in the Europe direction if some of the ISPs introduce the new route in their networks where they might not have one today. However, be aware that the vast majority of the bandwidth will actually be used in providing private networks, corporate connections etc. Only a small amount will ultimately get carved out for backbone internet connections.
For those that dont understand the difference between Delay and Bandwidth: When you have high delay you can add bandwidth to allow more users to do the same thing but each one of them will never work any faster as the delay remains unchanged. In contrast, when you dont have enough bandwidth, everyone grinds to a halt as the quantity of data cannot be sent over the bandwidth available - hence why if you use the network at 3am when few people are on it you get great service. Note also, most of the ISPs in Thailand have great in-country service, they all have the same international bandwidth problem though - not really surprising given thats the most expensive part to provide.
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Posted 2009-07-24 21:50:24
scratt, on 2009-07-24 20:46:47, said: Just wait for the price increases later this year when they charge us for their "service improvements".
(Loosely translated as now providing something like the speeds they have been charging for for the last 5 years, but not actually supplying.)
And banks will probably slap yet another surcharge on ATMs for foreign card transactions because they are now "faster... bla bla"
etc. etc. etc.
Faster Nid Noy.....  Same Same but different .......price... 
Posted 2009-07-24 21:57:58
mouse, on 2009-07-24 21:04:39, said: The solution, if you really must have speed, is to get a 1MB Fiber Optic line dedicated to you. It costs a lot per month (15.000 Baht/mo) but it is worth it.
This is what you get during the busy time of the day when testing Seattle from here. Other times usually come out at 5-10MB/sec down and 1MB/sec up;
As i've just posted, it makes not a jot of difference what 'access' speed you buy into the local ISP unless all your after is Thai/Asia websites.
As for the other poster, no Thailand data is not monitored
Posted 2009-07-24 21:58:13
do fewer tourists visiting thailand
equate into less people on line
ergo faster connect tim?
sorry for the neophyte question but i barely
know a computer chip from a potato chip
Posted 2009-07-24 22:07:21
flyfrog, on 2009-07-24 21:16:33, said: beano2274, on 2009-07-24 19:56:03, said: Great news, but have CAT upgraded their Equipment yet?
And how about the links from TOT to CAT, what is the capacity now, and what will the future capacity be?
Cannot see it doing much unless the equipment is in place and the interconnects are upgraded as well.
I am wondering how much they gonna charge us here in Thailand?
Charge Us!!!!
I'm in a village in the middle of no where...35 klicks from nakhon sawan...last week had no internet for 2 days thursday /friday....got my wife to call the tot office..they came checked the line 1pm...but did not come to our home..got to 3.30pm and I told my wife to call them again..but this time ask for some one that can speak english..as i know theres 1 -2 that can speak english in the local town tot office.
Told them I had no internet for 2 days...they reckoned a big cable had been taking out in nakhon sawan and they would come and check again on monday...so i said ok thursday/friday no internet...now you say monday..so that will be 5 days...no problem...mai ben lie...but when i come and pay next week i only pay for 3 weeks and not 4...guess what...
An hour later there where 2 guys climbing up the same pole as they did at 1pm..5 minutes later knock on the door..is your internet working now...checked..running like a dream.
This place is unbelivable....
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Posted 2009-07-24 22:09:30
It is physical cable expansion.
It won't matter until CAT/ToT/other ISP have new peering agreement with US-based ISP or IXP.
Map is not clear whether the other end from USA will be Seattle Internet Exchange Point or LA or SF.
I'm not sure whether Thailand Internet bottleneck for USA is from physical circuit capacity issue, or not.
If it is not from physical circuit capacity issue, it is each ISP/IXP's contract to buy Internet bandwidth from other parties in USA.
So it won't help much until they decide to spend some money for increasing the bandwidth for international traffic.
Posted 2009-07-24 22:21:26
It's 1.2 terabits for the whole of Asia.
It's going to all get used up by Hong Kong and Singapore,,,
100Mb is pretty standard now in Hong Kong, and you can get gigabit as a home package. (not cheap though - check PCCW's web page).
I had 100Mb in Tokyo 4 years ago (it's been pretty standard there as a home package for a long time.) I've got 24Mb ADSL at my place in London, and my most expensive internet... is the slowest... - guess where...
Even Luanda airport in Angola has free Wifi. I just figure that Thai's inability to travel to other countries because of the difficulty of getting visas means they don't even realise how far behind they are.
Posted 2009-07-24 22:23:16
sillyfools, on 2009-07-24 20:41:07, said: I don't really think it will be a significant speed improvement as it is claimed because dinosaur providers such as TOT hardly use the CAT-IIG. They want to save costs and get most of their bandwidth from TM. They will tap into it over there probably.
The reason why I state it is that overall speeds to the USA are very reasonable but speeds and connectivity to EUROPE is a complete DISASTER. Instead of adding more and more bandwidth to the USA it would make more sense to double the bandwidth to Europe instead.
That in itself will increase the speed to the USA as well as now 70% of all traffic to Europe is passing through the USA which makes it enormeously slow. Think of 500 ms instead of 200ms.
It would also be good to instead have a few technicians who at least know the basics of routing data around the world.
Often packets destined for the USA traverse the European backbone, while packets for Europe pass through the US. Absolutely ridiculous. I have sent them already many emails about it but as with everything in the CAT and TOT dinosaur companies... nothing happens and not even a reply is sent back even though the emails have a delivery report.
Must have some real geniuses working over there.....
And as along as Thailand's Ministry of Information and Technology continues to focus SOLELY on hunting down offensive websites instead of improving the nation's bandwidth, nothing will change.
Vietnam has better bandwidth than Thailand. True Dat.
Posted 2009-07-24 22:25:06
george, on 2009-07-24 16:47:47, said: AAG cable to boost Asia’s internet capacity in August
Exclusive Thaivisa.com News
By John Le Fevre
 AAG_map.jpg
Good news for Thailand's internet users. AAG -
Asia-America Gateway comes into operation
in August 2009.
BANGKOK (thaivisa.com): -- In just a few weeks internet users throughout Asia should start to see a dramatic increase in internet speed for websites located outside of the region when the $US550 million Asia-America Gateway (AAG) comes into operation.
The new 20,000km (about 12,400 miles) AAG - an optical fibre cable network stretching from Malaysia to the West Coast of America via Guam and Hawaii - is due to commence operating in August.
The cable has additional landing points in Hong Kong and the Philippines, with branches to Singapore, Thailand, Brunei and Vietnam.
The proposed cable became a reality in June 2006, when AiTi of Brunei Darussalam, CAT Telecom (Thailand), PLDT (Philippines), REACH (Hong Kong), StarHub (Singapore), Telekom Malaysia (Malaysia) and VNPT (Vietnam) all signed a Memorandum Of Understanding (MOU) for its construction.
In addition to being one of the longest undersea cable rollouts in history, the AAG will actually shorten the route for data from Asia to America, avoiding some of the wolds’ areas most prone to seismic activity in the process.
The demand for better quality communications services throughout Asia has been an ongoing battle between foreign and local businesses and regional communications carriers, and one that has affected economic growth in some countries.
The AAG will will use the latest Dense Wavelength Division Multiplexing (DWDM) technologies with a minimum design capacity of 1.28 terabit/s and a design capacity of 1.92 terabit/s.
The last of the undersea cable work was completed in June and all 10 landing points were completed months ago.
The new cable will improve e-commerce traffic and help meet the increasing demand for faster and more reliable internet, video and other multimedia services and applications.
-- thaivisa.com 2009-07-24
Related link:
Test your broadband speed against Thaivisa.com Servers in Singapore.
This won't be free. The higer speed will be offered at premium rates as an upgrade.
Posted 2009-07-24 22:29:54
Here is my Maxnet 3mbits . . .,, this speed i have 24/7 . . . im happy all my things moving smooth here in Pattaya . . .
Hopfully it gets better then . .
Edited by oMega69, 2009-07-24 22:45:25.
Posted 2009-07-24 22:43:44
bkk_mike, on 2009-07-24 22:21:26, said: ... Thai's inability to travel to other countries because of the difficulty of getting visas means they don't even realise how far behind they are.
Very insightful observation. Imagine the improvements in ALL services -- if they only had a clue!
Posted 2009-07-24 23:15:15
haven't seen anything but all of you are already bashing...
not quite fair 
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Posted 2009-07-25 00:05:56
looks like there are few lucky people in thailand . like ' mouse ' and ' omega ' with good speed . as i have tried maxnet tot true all i get max download here is 200 KBps . i dont know y thailand isp's arent moving on like malaysia and other neighbours
i have been to malaysia and they are offering home user's now 20 mbps
i hope this new upgrading by AAG will make things run faster.
Posted 2009-07-25 00:13:08
mouse, on 2009-07-24 21:04:39, said: The solution, if you really must have speed, is to get a 1MB Fiber Optic line dedicated to you. It costs a lot per month (15.000 Baht/mo) but it is worth it.
This is what you get during the busy time of the day when testing Seattle from here. Other times usually come out at 5-10MB/sec down and 1MB/sec up;
This is Indy 3Mb since they fixed it earlier today. I'm happy but for how long?
Posted 2009-07-25 00:15:52
bilal, on 2009-07-25 00:05:56, said: looks like there are few lucky people in thailand . like ' mouse ' and ' omega ' with good speed . as i have tried maxnet tot true all i get max download here is 200 KBps . i dont know y thailand isp's arent moving on like malaysia and other neighbours
i have been to malaysia and they are offering home user's now 20 mbps
i hope this new upgrading by AAG will make things run faster.
Which provider in Malaysia are offering 20Mbps?
I am from Malaysia and I'm so desperate of getting even 4Mbps... I live in KL.
Posted 2009-07-25 01:26:16
beano2274, on 2009-07-24 19:56:03, said: Great news, but have CAT upgraded their Equipment yet?
And how about the links from TOT to CAT, what is the capacity now, and what will the future capacity be?
Cannot see it doing much unless the equipment is in place and the interconnects are upgraded as well.
Yes, you make some good points here.
And to add:
Of course all this technology is going to be useless unless Thailand creates the infrastructure to support it.
Plus everything comes at a price. If the Internet does show improvements because of this new system, who is going to pay? Will the Government subsidise it’s installation, maintenance and running costs? Or is it all going to be down to the customers?
Posted 2009-07-25 03:07:58
Maxnet 2mb Premier, at 3am nonetheless. but, this is a steady 2mb, 24/7.
Posted 2009-07-25 04:12:56
CAT provides MAX net with internet. Max net share with 20 customers CAT with 6. If you are unlucky you share with 20 in your nod and your speed will not even go close to 2.5. CAT have in their contract speed 700 max for outside Thailand and 2.5 inside. If you get 2.0 make sure nobody moves in the same area.
Posted 2009-07-25 06:51:49
Pui, on 2009-07-24 20:30:46, said: It would be lovely to have fast interest here. I work and derive my entire income online.
We have the 8mb service from True. It was good for the first month and now its slower than the old 1mb. Called the engineers out and they showed that with in Thailand it was 8mb with a local true speed test. What it should have said was "8mb internet with Thailand only". Perhaps I should have read the small print. Me bad.
Last week in Hong Kong airport I logged on to the free throughout-the-airport internet service and it was incredible. I did the work that takes me 3 hours in Thailand in no more than 10 minutes.
Over there I waited 1 – 2 seconds for a web page. Here I wait 30 seconds.
Bring on the fast internet.
Does anyone know of any better services than "True 8mb"
(which is certainly not True in the sense of the word)
love to know what your job is? that you need such a fast internet conection, sending emails or uploadind? pesermists the lot of you? cant you all just say " hey, great, look out for subs hitting it?" Thaivisa have a free internet bandwidth meter, try it, works for meeee
Posted 2009-07-25 07:24:00
sillyfools, on 2009-07-24 20:41:07, said: <snip>
I have sent them already many emails about it but as with everything in the CAT and TOT dinosaur companies... nothing happens and not even a reply is sent back even though the emails have a delivery report.
Must have some real geniuses working over there.....
I remember when the requirement to privatize TOT and CAT was first announced. Thaksin was interviewed and asked if he would be interested in taking a stake in the two entities. He said, "Well the problem is, they have 25,000 employees doing the work of a few thousand."
Most people now forget what TOT was like back in the 1990's. The waiting list to get a telephone line was five years. AIS won the contract to add 2,000,000 lines to the Bangkok area (TT&T won the contract for up-country). The work was almost entirely done by TOT employees working part time for AIS in addition to their regular jobs and took less than a year.
Oh, yeah, and I can remember spending 45 minutes downloading a 20KB file, and overjoyed to be able to get it.
Posted 2009-07-25 07:24:39
george, on 2009-07-24 08:47:47, said: AAG cable to boost Asia's internet capacity in August
Exclusive Thaivisa.com News
By John Le Fevre
AAG_map.jpg
Good news for Thailand's internet users. AAG -
Asia-America Gateway comes into operation
in August 2009.
BANGKOK (thaivisa.com): -- In just a few weeks internet users throughout Asia should start to see a dramatic increase in internet speed for websites located outside of the region when the $US550 million Asia-America Gateway (AAG) comes into operation.
The new 20,000km (about 12,400 miles) AAG - an optical fibre cable network stretching from Malaysia to the West Coast of America via Guam and Hawaii - is due to commence operating in August.
The cable has additional landing points in Hong Kong and the Philippines, with branches to Singapore, Thailand, Brunei and Vietnam.
The proposed cable became a reality in June 2006, when AiTi of Brunei Darussalam, CAT Telecom (Thailand), PLDT (Philippines), REACH (Hong Kong), StarHub (Singapore), Telekom Malaysia (Malaysia) and VNPT (Vietnam) all signed a Memorandum Of Understanding (MOU) for its construction.
In addition to being one of the longest undersea cable rollouts in history, the AAG will actually shorten the route for data from Asia to America, avoiding some of the wolds' areas most prone to seismic activity in the process.
The demand for better quality communications services throughout Asia has been an ongoing battle between foreign and local businesses and regional communications carriers, and one that has affected economic growth in some countries.
The AAG will will use the latest Dense Wavelength Division Multiplexing (DWDM) technologies with a minimum design capacity of 1.28 terabit/s and a design capacity of 1.92 terabit/s.
The last of the undersea cable work was completed in June and all 10 landing points were completed months ago.
The new cable will improve e-commerce traffic and help meet the increasing demand for faster and more reliable internet, video and other multimedia services and applications.
-- thaivisa.com 2009-07-24
Related link:
Test your broadband speed against Thaivisa.com Servers in Singapore.
Great about time . But somethings up 
Posted 2009-07-25 07:40:17
Pooklook, on 2009-07-24 10:50:24, said: scratt, on 2009-07-24 20:46:47, said: Just wait for the price increases later this year when they charge us for their "service improvements".
(Loosely translated as now providing something like the speeds they have been charging for for the last 5 years, but not actually supplying.)
And banks will probably slap yet another surcharge on ATMs for foreign card transactions because they are now "faster... bla bla"
etc. etc. etc.
Faster Nid Noy..... ;) Same Same but different .......price... :huh:
We just keep getting rippedoff over and over. 150.00 bhat to use a bank machine :angry: . Then they have the nerve to pay 7 eleven staff 200.00 bhat a day. We should start charging more for rice and soup back home. B)
Posted 2009-07-25 08:25:38
as if thai companies like TOT will give you more than what u get now
promises of 1 mbit, at least that is what you pay for, with most of the time i get 10-20 kb and even some hours 0 kb / sec even on thai sites...
late 1ste of april joke indeed
Posted 2009-07-25 08:31:47
Christ, what's with all the doom n gloom! This can only be a good thing as there is the potential for better connectivity.
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