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[george]

Plans to build third runway, domestic passenger terminal at Suvarnabhumi Airport to be submitted to cabinet

BANGKOK: -- The Airports of Thailand Public Co., Ltd. (AoT) plans to submit its plans to construct third runway and a domestic passenger terminal building at Suvarnabhumi Airport to a Cabinet meeting this October, said AoT President Serirat Prasutanond.

If approved by the Cabinet, both plans which will be financed by AoT of about Bt10 billion could be completed within three years, said Mr. Serirat.

He said designs for the domestic passenger terminal building are now completed while concerned officials are now studying environmental impact report, submitted by Office of Natural Resources and Environmental Policy and Planning.

Initially, it was determined that a third runway, if built, would in effect reduce the impact of noise on people living near the airport, because it would spread noise pollution over a wider area and reduce the number of landings and departures per runway, he explained.

Construction of the third runway will not hamper services provided at the first and second runways, he added.


-- TNA 2009-08-23

[hhgz]

"If approved by the Cabinet, both plans which will be financed by AoT of about Bt10 billion could be completed within three years..."

...but it won't, for another six...

[khundon]

george, on 2009-08-23 20:28:39, said:

Plans to build third runway, domestic passenger terminal at Suvarnabhumi Airport to be submitted to cabinet

BANGKOK: -- The Airports of Thailand Public Co., Ltd. (AoT) plans to submit its plans to construct third runway and a domestic passenger terminal building at Suvarnabhumi Airport to a Cabinet meeting this October, said AoT President Serirat Prasutanond.

If approved by the Cabinet, both plans which will be financed by AoT of about Bt10 billion could be completed within three years, said Mr. Serirat.

He said designs for the domestic passenger terminal building are now completed while concerned officials are now studying environmental impact report, submitted by Office of Natural Resources and Environmental Policy and Planning.

Initially, it was determined that a third runway, if built, would in effect reduce the impact of noise on people living near the airport, because it would spread noise pollution over a wider area and reduce the number of landings and departures per runway, he explained.

Construction of the third runway will not hamper services provided at the first and second runways, he added.


-- TNA 2009-08-23

Well, you can halve that cost estimate, as they will only lay half the recommended thickness of concrete for the runway.

Same total amount of take off and landings but with a new runway they will now widen the noise/environmental problem,

Typical Thai logic.

[apetley]

hhgz, on 2009-08-24 18:02:27, said:

"If approved by the Cabinet, both plans which will be financed by AoT of about Bt10 billion could be completed within three years..."

...but it won't, for another six...

Swampy was 40 years from inception to completion so three years for another runway and terminal?
They're having a laugh!!!!

[Datsun240Z]

The runways that are laying there now, are not so good either. Should do something about that first.

[Thongkorn]

why don't they just use the old one Donmawang, think thats how you spell it.send some long haul there , i was in there June and the place was deserted , the runways are still good.

Edited by Thongkorn, 2009-08-26 00:46:48.

[Datsun240Z]

They should use tarmac instead of concrete, but I think tarmac is rather expensive in LOS, am I right?

[phetaroi]

Here we go with another bash-Thailand thread.

Let's remember how things work in the world.  

As one source said, "Construction cost overruns are so common and expected that            most owners are helpless to do anything but reluctantly acknowledge            them as business as usual."  Oh wait...that article was about construction in the United States and "the West".

There are law firms in the the West whose entire practice is defending companies for construction delays.

This isn't just in Thailand.  It's everywhere.

Here's a bit about Denver's International Airport:  "In September 1989...federal officials authorized the outlay of the first $60 million for the construction of DIA....scheduled to open [in]...1993.   Delays caused by poor planning and repeated design changes due to changing requirements from United Airlines caused Mayor Webb to push opening day back, first to December 1993, then to March 1994. By September 1993, delays due to a millwright strike and other events meant opening day was pushed back again, to May 15, 1994.

In April 1994, the city invited reporters to observe the first test of the new automated baggage system. Reporters were treated to scenes of clothing and other personal effects scattered beneath the system's tracks, while the actuators that moved luggage from belt to belt would often toss the luggage right off the system instead. The mayor cancelled the planned May 15 opening. The baggage system continued to be a maintenance hassle and was finally terminated in September 2005 ^[25], with traditional baggage handlers manually handling cargo and passenger luggage.

On September 25, 1994, the airport hosted a fly-in that drew several hundred general aviation aircraft, providing pilots with a unique opportunity to operate in and out of the new airport, and to wander around on foot looking at the ground-side facilities—including the baggage system, which was still under testing. FAA controllers also took advantage of the event to test procedures, and to check for holes in radio coverage as planes taxied around and among the buildings.

DIA finally replaced Stapleton on February 28, 1995, 16 months behind schedule and at a cost of $4.8 billion,^[26] nearly $2 billion over budget."

[apetley]

I'd say DIAs 16 month overrun compares pretty favourably to Swampy's more than 30 years.

[bkkbill]

phetarol thanks for your comments I also tire of the constant bash Thailand remarks made by people who chose live here.

[hhgz]

"IA finally replaced Stapleton on February 28, 1995, 16 months behind schedule and at a cost of $4.8 billion"

The land on which the airport was built was partially owned by the parents of the guy who eventually became Bill Clinton's Secretary of Transportation.

[colte]

A domestic terminal makes a lot of sense as long as it is easy to transit to/from the international terminal. I just hope that the connection system is part of the plan and not like the rail link to downtown opening a few years after the terminal. If they build the third runway properly they will be able to dig up the other two (one at a time!!) and fix them properly. Suvarnabhumi has so much potential if it is properly managed.

[ZenHillbillyPoet22]

phetaroi, on 2009-08-26 05:53:51, said:

Here we go with another bash-Thailand thread.

Let's remember how things work in the world.

As one source said, "Construction cost overruns are so common and expected that most owners are helpless to do anything but reluctantly acknowledge them as business as usual." Oh wait...that article was about construction in the United States and "the West".

There are law firms in the the West whose entire practice is defending companies for construction delays.

This isn't just in Thailand. It's everywhere.

Here's a bit about Denver's International Airport: "In September 1989...federal officials authorized the outlay of the first $60 million for the construction of DIA....scheduled to open [in]...1993. Delays caused by poor planning and repeated design changes due to changing requirements from United Airlines caused Mayor Webb to push opening day back, first to December 1993, then to March 1994. By September 1993, delays due to a millwright strike and other events meant opening day was pushed back again, to May 15, 1994.

In April 1994, the city invited reporters to observe the first test of the new automated baggage system. Reporters were treated to scenes of clothing and other personal effects scattered beneath the system's tracks, while the actuators that moved luggage from belt to belt would often toss the luggage right off the system instead. The mayor cancelled the planned May 15 opening. The baggage system continued to be a maintenance hassle and was finally terminated in September 2005 ^[25], with traditional baggage handlers manually handling cargo and passenger luggage.

On September 25, 1994, the airport hosted a fly-in that drew several hundred general aviation aircraft, providing pilots with a unique opportunity to operate in and out of the new airport, and to wander around on foot looking at the ground-side facilities—including the baggage system, which was still under testing. FAA controllers also took advantage of the event to test procedures, and to check for holes in radio coverage as planes taxied around and among the buildings.

DIA finally replaced Stapleton on February 28, 1995, 16 months behind schedule and at a cost of $4.8 billion,^[26] nearly $2 billion over budget."

Here's another good example of delays in construction in the U.S. and much more up to date. This one is starting to piss a lot of people off too, as it should. 8 years and 4+ cornerstone ceremonies later and still almost nothing to show for it except a lot of bureaucratic mess...

http://en.wikipedia....ld_Trade_Center