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[britmaveric]

Personally only troublemakers I have seen over the course of many years happened to be Scandi lads, or Russians.  

However the article is more about motorbike deaths, not to do with bad behaviour.

[bloodmeal]

gr8fldanielle, on 2009-08-26 02:56:07, said:

That's like saying guns kill people. Thailand doesn't kill Brits, Brits kill Brits.

YES !

I dont think these figures should discourage us sensible brits from traveling to thailand. HOPEFULLY it'll scare off a few of the stag party type holiday yobs.

hopefully the rising cost of fuel and airline travel will kill off this disgusting behaviour. i would take the financial sacrifice to have a holiday with less of that sort around

and im scottish not english so im half off the hook as it is.

[gdhm]

SmartFarang, on 2009-08-26 17:33:21, said:

A lot of negative comments here regarding British behaviour, as though that is solely responsible for the high incidence of tragic motorcylcle deaths in Thailand.
Well, I have lived in Thailand since 1997, and although I have seen drunken and dangerous driving I would like to suggest some additional reasons for these serious motorcycle injuries:

1). Motorcycle rentals in Thailand are unlicensed and unregulated. Most do not even operate from an office but from the pavement and pay a monthly "rent" to the police.
2). Motorcycle rentals in Thailand buy used and often crashed motorcycles from overseas in a stripped-down state. They imported as "spare parts" - to reduce inport duty -  and re-assembed on arrival. They cannot be registered without payment of the correct duties, thus they are not legally registered. You may see a registration sticker on the bike, but this was "paid for" and is not authentic. You may pay for insurance, but there will never be a pay-back in case of accident due to this lack of registration.
3). Many of these re-assembled bikes have bent-frames, or are just not assembled correctly. Thus they do not handle properly, and in wet weather or high-speed manoevure they handle unpredictably resulting in loss of control. Additionally, after an accident in Thailand they are not repaired correctly, but simply touched-up and re-rented.
4). You may or may not be licensed to ride a motorcycle in your home country, or you may be licensed to ride a bike up to a 250cc bike. Motorcyle rentals in Thailand are supposed to check and require a correct license, but many times you will be able to rent a bike of any size without showing any license.
5). Motorcycle helmets are required in Thailand - but for the driver only. Thus although some riders may wear a helmet, the pillion passenger is usually not. It is common to see three or more on a bike, with only the driver wearing a helmet.
6). Although helmets are required, it is not considered necessary to require the strap to be fastened. Thus in an accident the helmet goes flying and offers zero protection.
7). Helmets are available for around 500 Baht, or less than £10. They are made of plastic, and are not rated by any crash protection agency. The offer minimal protection and are worse than nothing in many cases as they offer a false sense of security. Good quality helmets are not available.

I offer these facts in the hope that readers will have a fuller understanding of this issue. I in no way condone excessive regulation and the "nanny-state" that England has become, people should be responsible for their own actions. However, I also do not condone weak and corrupt regulation that fail to offer basic protection to the people from their own stupidity.

Shall we talk about jet-skis now?

I would like to suggest another reason for tourists (Brit, others, drunk or not).

The official Thai Highway code and Thai Traffic laws are not dissimilar from many EU and Western countries. Those of us living in Thailand or have been frequent visitors know the drivers living in Thailand (Thai or Foreign) accept the reality that driving and the Thai traffic laws and highway code are like "chalk and cheese".  A big problem new tourists (or newcomers intending to live here) face is they do not realize the driving habits of the locals.  Consequently they naturally are much more likely to be involved in an accident. Add alcohol to the equation and it is a very dangerous mix. A drunk is not likely to react quickly to "the anything goes" style of driving here.

I was here in Khon Kaen for a year before I got a m/bike and as an observer and pedestrian I was quite well prepared (but I still see things that take me by surprise after 3 years here).
Tourists have no learning curve and even the few who do check out Thai Highway code in advance of their hols are in for an unpleasant surprise (the Brits for example would think the main difference in UK and Thai traffic laws and highway code is in Thailand one is permitted to turn left on a red traffic light. Officially most other rules are the same as UK.

Tourists not wearing helmets are not helped by seeing so many tourists and locals on the roads not wearing them AND being advised by some renters "not necessary most Thais do not wear helmets" . Well the most Thais do not wear helmets on the correct lines (but an offence).

[khunandy]

Bloody hel_l. 394 readers...90% I suspect to defend the English right to behave as one deems appropriate in one's host country.
Well, the fact is that I believe anybody can ride a motorbike in Thailand if you ride slowly and defensively.
Ride like a dickhead at a speed where you have zero reaction time and you will be dead....or very lucky

[Geekfreaklover]

As any Thai schoolboy, taxi driver, hotel/resturant owner knows the worse tourists in terms of not being sensitive to their surroundings in Thailand are the Nigerians, Middle Eastern tourists or the Israilies.

Not too keen to slate these guys are we?

Worse than that are the tourists that feel the need to abuse tourist from other nationalities.

None of this bothers me.

Theres only two types of people bother me in the world. Those that are racist towards other nations; and the Dutch.

Anyway; If driving a motorbike in Thailand. Wear a helmet. It makes sense. Also pop a jonny on the old chap if you dont want a does of clap on the tally wackle.

Keep your pecker up.

GFL



Sorry I digress. Please continue to abuse my motherland.

Edited by Geekfreaklover, 2009-08-26 19:30:55.

[sunnymarky]

Quote"Let's call it freedom. If it's not a good place to go to, why don't you go to Ibiza? No cheap girls? Time for you to wake up". End Quote

Freedom? 12,000 traffic road deaths a year , many Drink related. You call it freedom.. hmmm , says it all about your ideals? Fed up with too expensive Ibiza? so lets go to Thailand where "freedom" allows me to behave like the a s s h o le I was in the Uk

Edited by sunnymarky, 2009-08-26 19:20:13.

[JosephA]

Thanks GeekFreakLover!
Truth hurts and we don't like anyone to be hurt. People are saying what they feel, what they've seen, what they've experienced first hand.  Having said all they have, I'm sure we can be all good friends.  Calling names, this that will not help things and surely not get you to sleep either!

No hard feelings pls., and CHEERS to everyone!!

Geekfreaklover, on 2009-08-26 17:42:05, said:

JosephA, on 2009-08-26 17:31:40, said:

There is nothing better than learning from each other, Farangs in LOS. It is evident of the voices (with exceptions of course), some with emotions and rationale to solidify. This opens up the awareness so the place is good for everyone.
LET go of any hard feelings for it is a small price to pay to be more cautious.

Cheers!

Right on man

[jonclark]

Amazing how much anger there is out there towards brits. I guess it must make weak minded people feel more secure and confident (maybe they've got small willies or something)  bashing people of another nationality in a vain attempt to prop up their flagging ego and libido. Ah well us Brits are very self deprecating anyway so we don't take it to heart - just have another beer and SMILE

[sunnymarky]

jonclark, on 2009-08-26 19:19:49, said:

Amazing how much anger there is out there towards brits. I guess it must make weak minded people feel more secure and confident (maybe they've got small willies or something) bashing people of another nationality in a vain attempt to prop up their flagging ego and libido. Ah well us Brits are very self deprecating anyway so we don't take it to heart - just have another beer and SMILE

I am British and will condemn foul mouthed , dangerous , yobbish Brits in Thailand  , So should you

[reallyok]

mrukman, on 2009-08-26 13:40:14, said:

I started the original thread and yes im a Brit yes i was a frequent visitor to patong yes i like a drink and have fun i have read the post's and it sickens me that we brits are slagged off a piss head whoremongering trouble makers. All the so called brits that live in the LOS are i believe not brits but people jumping on the brit bashing wagon. Lets just have a quick think here where was the beer mat thief from in patong dont remember a brit or brits being chased down the beach rd. Where was the guy from just nicked at swampy with the ecstasy stashed in his undies from, where were the 2 prisoners just executed from need i go on. The tread was about safety not brit bashing, to say we ride about drunk is totally arrogance is it not the fact that most fatalities are caused by locals riding on the wrong side of the road sometimes coming straight at you or the fact the locals ride about at night without lights on or the truck drivers driving vehicles with defective brake's then running off when there is an accident, i could go on and on. These are facts not fiction, was it not the governor of phuket said we get more trouble and bad behaviour from the aussie tourists. Not many brits mentioned there was there. How many young brits in the last year have comitted ( suicide) from throwing themselves from balconies, not a single 1 of you that live there in phuket have mentioned your gun murders in the last 2 monthes, so its ok to have a shootout in a resort full of tourists. or take out 3 men sat having a beer. is Thailand dangerouse ask the guy in phi phi who was drugged and robbed last week. Incidently there with his wife not a brit lager lout.

"more trouble from Aussie tourists"....................yeh ! i remember her, she hit the world headlines, what a shame for Phuket bars !

[CrossBones]

george, on 2009-08-26 07:50:16, said:

Thailand is deadliest holiday destination for Britons

British tourists are more likely to be killed in Thailand than any other destination, according to new figures released today.

Motorbike accidents are the main reason why 269 Britons died there last year, according to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO).

The figures mean that Thailand has the highest rate of deaths in proportion to the number of British tourists of any country worldwide. In the year to March, an estimated 860,000 British tourists visited Thailand.

This figure also makes Thailand the country where, proportionately, British tourists are most likely to end up in hospital, according to the organisation’s British Behaviour Abroad report, released today.

The majority of 324 reported hospitalisations in Thailand were due to motorbike accidents, says the FCO, and a high proportion are fatal.

The figures for the report are based on incidents reported to British consulates abroad, so actual numbers could be higher.

On the dangers of visiting Thailand, the organisation says: “Many of the hospitalisations in Thailand are the result of motorbike accidents – particularly in the southern islands.

“Thailand has one of the world’s highest road traffic accident rates, almost all of which involve motorbikes.”

The Thai law that states safety helmets must be worn is widely ignored according to the FCO, which contributes to the high number of deaths each year. On average 38 people a day die in motorcycle accidents in Thailand.

The organisation also warns: “You should never hand over your passport as a guarantee against returning a motor scooter or cycle. Unscrupulous owners have been known to hold on to passports against claimed damage to the motor scooter or cycle.”

Further to that, some vehicles are not road worthy. The FCO says that many of the motorcycles and scooters that are available for hire in beach resorts are unregistered and cannot legally be driven on a public road. This could invalidate any travel insurance policy should the driver wish to make a claim.

On the subject of travel insurance, the report found that financial pressures are causing many British holidaymakers to forgo travel insurance in a bid to save money.

Foreign Office Minister, Chris Bryant, said: “Getting comprehensive travel insurance means that whilst an accident may disrupt your holiday, it won’t bankrupt you in extortionate medical or repatriation bills.”

Other trouble hotspots revealed by the report include Spain, where 2,032 Britons were arrested last year. This is higher than any other country, although as a proportion of visitor numbers, the highest number of arrests was in the UAE followed by Thailand.

The majority of arrests are drug-related, with one in seven relating to illegal substances. This is particularly so in Thailand – were a quarter of arrests were due to drugs. The UAE also has a low tolerance of drugs – according to the FCO, many Britons arrested in the UAE are transit passengers, who fall foul of the country’s strict drug laws, which prohibit some prescription drugs that are legal in the UK.

Among the notable cases is that of Tracy Wilkinson, 45, from West Sussex, who was arrested at Dubai airport in 2005 for possession of codeine, which she had been taking for chronic back pain.

Arrests are also due to "bad behaviour". The UAE has a low tolerance of anti-Islamic behaviour and behaviour that is regarded as disrespectful towards UAE officials.

The FCO advises Britons heading to unfamiliar countries to familiarise themselves with local laws and customs before heading abroad.

-- timesonline.co.uk 2009-08-26

800,000+ british tourist each year... thats amazing!

Thats like 1 in 50 people in the UK go to Thailand every year!!

[Geekfreaklover]

jonclark, on 2009-08-26 19:19:49, said:

Amazing how much anger there is out there towards brits. I guess it must make weak minded people feel more secure and confident (maybe they've got small willies or something) bashing people of another nationality in a vain attempt to prop up their flagging ego and libido. Ah well us Brits are very self deprecating anyway so we don't take it to heart - just have another beer and SMILE

Jon, you nailed it.

I've just come back from the fridge with a cold bottle. I won't be driving. I won't be fighting. I'm not a tourist.

What do I care?

[EastSaxCol]

Kohn Ferang, on 2009-08-26 08:34:16, said:

I am an American Guy, I have lived in Thailand 5 years, Brittan 6 months, Spain a month and France a month, the British behavior while on holiday is outrageous. I fully understand the Spanish Government arresting them repeatedly, if not in bulk and deporting them, Drunk and fighting every night in the pubs, France too. There were bars in France where I couldn't get a drink until I showed my passport to prove I was not British. Thailand is a little further, we can hope only the somewhat more responsible Britts get that far from home, that they might not still be somewhat special, I have no doubt. Behave yourselves! English speakers around the world suffer the consequences of what U do on Holiday!

Odd that surveys put Britons bottom of the list in European holiday destinations, and top for behaviour and manners further afield. including Thailand.

My own experiences are that being close to one nationality ,then earplugs may be necessary (a joke appreciated by Khon Thai). And yet another who really don't travel well at all. Those who understand something of the phoenix rising from the Ashes will know to whom I refer.  

[JosephA]

Cheer on, we learn from each other ie., what's being voiced and by listening gracefully they will listen to you. (In future events..

Signing off, until next post..

jonclark, on 2009-08-26 19:19:49, said:

Amazing how much anger there is out there towards brits. I guess it must make weak minded people feel more secure and confident (maybe they've got small willies or something)  bashing people of another nationality in a vain attempt to prop up their flagging ego and libido. Ah well us Brits are very self deprecating anyway so we don't take it to heart - just have another beer and SMILE

[LaoPo]

  

Why this topic is suddenly focusing on deadly accidents on Thai roads is beyond me; maybe because the original OP article wrote about that but the article by The Times has the WRONG CONTENT! of 2007 instead the new facts of 2008.

http://www.thaivisa....71#entry2968671

For instance: there are four British Nationals who're facing the Capital Punishment ie the Death Penalty in Thailand....

"Source: FCO 2008 Annual Human Rights Report. 'Capital charges' means criminal charges that carry the death penalty. There are twelve British Nationals facing capital charges in Pakistan, four in Thailand, three in the USA, two in Bangladesh and one in the UAE"

Some other facts: Britons in Thailand:

* 288 total deaths in Thailand - from 01 April 2008 > 31 March 2009
* 41.000 British residents in Thailand
* 54 drug arrests
* 202 total arrest/detention
* 198 hospitalisation
* 3 rape
* 774 lost/stolen passports

From: http://www.fco.gov.u...d-report-240809

LaoPo

[LaoPo]

Happy Hammer, on 2009-08-26 14:25:50, said:

Odd that surveys put Britons bottom of the list in European holiday destinations, and top for behaviour and manners further afield. including Thailand.

I'm not quite sure what you mean but the survey/publication about "Britons continue to get into trouble abroad" was published by the official
FCO - Foreign & Commonwealth Office in the UK:


http://www.fco.gov.u...amp;id=20749754

And, for Brits and others who are interested to read the:

Consular Annual Report 2008/09

Foreward by Chris Bryant MP, Minister for Consular Services

The FCO’s consular service helps British Nationals in some of the most complex and often fragile of situations abroad.

Over the last financial year, the consular service provided assistance to almost 35,000 British nationals abroad, and dealt with close to 2.1 million assistance enquiries. They issued almost 11,000 emergency passports to people whose passport had been lost or stolen, responded to nearly 7,000 cases where Brits had been detained, and provided assistance on just under 200 new parental child abduction cases. The consular service’s Rapid Deployment Teams were deployed 11 times to assist our nationals caught up in global crises, from the earthquake in China to the terrorist attacks in Mumbai.

The consular service is funded by a fee levied on every passport. For around £1.50 a year, every British passport holder has at their disposal a global network of professionals who often provide the first line of support when things go wrong. More information about the services available can be found at fco.gov.uk/travel. The consular service is funded by the public and is rightly accountable to the public. This Annual Report, which includes an assessment of performance against measureable service targets, is an important part of that accountability. Whether they are successful is ultimately for you to judge. The consular service seeks constant feedback and is looking to improve its mechanisms for doing so. You can send your views to:

feedback.consular.services@ (email address removed for possible spam reasons; LP)

Chris Bryant MP
Parliamentary Under Secretary of State


http://www.fco.gov.u...al-report-08-09 24 pages !


LaoPo

[Moruya]

I hate statistics but probably half the contributors to this organ are half-witted at least most of the time.

I remember some weeks ago looking at a thread about some chap who'd been arrested for trying to exchange 400 Sterling that he claimed to have got from his bank and was arrested for carrying counterfeit notes even though the receiving bank itself was unsure that they were fake and had sent them to Bangkok for further analysis. By the time we'd got to post 5 he'd got them from an ATM which is apparently impossible and had cashed 5,000 in total. By the time we'd got to post 10 in a few internet seconds we may as well have hanged him. Chinese whispers? or people without the ability to read, digest and understand....

This post, which is essentially about where Brits are most likely to die, be injured or be arrested, has been turned into open season on Brits abroad by some of the afore-mentioned half-wits. If anyone thinks that their own nationals are free from any guilt in the foreigner on holiday arena think twice because they're not. I spend 60% of my time travelling and I've seen a lot from most nationalities in most locations.

The thing with Thailand that we all love is the lack of regulation. Find a bar serving beer in coffee mugs on an election day and we're all as happy as Larry.

The thing with Thailand that we all hate is the lack of regulation. People driving down the road the wrong way, corruption etc.

Most of us who've been here for some time come to a compromise and change their value chain.

Those who have not been here for very long are presented with an equation that takes time for their minds to compute. Visiting from the heavily regulated countries in the West to the grossly unregulated Thailand takes a lot of acclimatisation. How many of us have seen the "kid in a sweet shop" syndrome with westerners arriving in Bangkok? Some learn fast and some don't. Certainly in the UK you need a licence to drive a motorbike and that means taking a stringent test. In my opinion people who drive a motorbike from a relatively young age learn the balance better than those who start later in life. Arriving in Phuket or wherever, it may look cool to drive a bike in shorts, tee-shirt and flip-flops. My guess is that something approaching 100% of people in the west who ride a bike, certainly those who have been saved from scrapes by leathers and helmet, would view the shorts and tee-shirt brigade as idiots of the highest order. The second factor is that a large proportion of these motorcycle users have almost never ridden one or haven't ridden in a long time. Add alcohol or drugs for some idiots and the chaotic roads and you aren't just asking for trouble, you're begging for it. Next time you're in a bar with girls in, look at the scars on their limbs and ask them where they came from - invariably it's the good old motor cycle.

Drunks looking for trouble? It's probably the case that the Brits have more than their fair share of them but it's far from being an exclusive club. On holiday, the weather's hot, the booze is cheap, the girls want to play - what's the problem? To some people drink is the trigger to getting out of control but there's normally something else too. Buy a girl a few drinks then another customer comes in and knows her and she's all over him. In the west that may be one thing but here it's time to move on to the next girl or bar. Maybe they should publish a set of bat etiquette and hand it out on all incoming flights. Fighting over a bar girl is like fighting over the last peanut in the bowl.

[blakegeee]

I've had a bar here for nearly 4 years. Yes "British Football Hooligans" are hooligans, but most "Brits" I meet are not. Maybe a sports bar would attract a different crowd, I don't know, but this is just my experience.

[Brewsta]

CrossBones, on 2009-08-26 21:24:54, said:

george, on 2009-08-26 07:50:16, said:

Thailand is deadliest holiday destination for Britons

British tourists are more likely to be killed in Thailand than any other destination, according to new figures released today.

Motorbike accidents are the main reason why 269 Britons died there last year, according to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO).

The figures mean that Thailand has the highest rate of deaths in proportion to the number of British tourists of any country worldwide. In the year to March, an estimated 860,000 British tourists visited Thailand.

This figure also makes Thailand the country where, proportionately, British tourists are most likely to end up in hospital, according to the organisation's British Behaviour Abroad report, released today.

The majority of 324 reported hospitalisations in Thailand were due to motorbike accidents, says the FCO, and a high proportion are fatal.

The figures for the report are based on incidents reported to British consulates abroad, so actual numbers could be higher.

On the dangers of visiting Thailand, the organisation says: "Many of the hospitalisations in Thailand are the result of motorbike accidents – particularly in the southern islands.

"Thailand has one of the world's highest road traffic accident rates, almost all of which involve motorbikes."

The Thai law that states safety helmets must be worn is widely ignored according to the FCO, which contributes to the high number of deaths each year. On average 38 people a day die in motorcycle accidents in Thailand.

The organisation also warns: "You should never hand over your passport as a guarantee against returning a motor scooter or cycle. Unscrupulous owners have been known to hold on to passports against claimed damage to the motor scooter or cycle."

Further to that, some vehicles are not road worthy. The FCO says that many of the motorcycles and scooters that are available for hire in beach resorts are unregistered and cannot legally be driven on a public road. This could invalidate any travel insurance policy should the driver wish to make a claim.

On the subject of travel insurance, the report found that financial pressures are causing many British holidaymakers to forgo travel insurance in a bid to save money.

Foreign Office Minister, Chris Bryant, said: "Getting comprehensive travel insurance means that whilst an accident may disrupt your holiday, it won't bankrupt you in extortionate medical or repatriation bills."

Other trouble hotspots revealed by the report include Spain, where 2,032 Britons were arrested last year. This is higher than any other country, although as a proportion of visitor numbers, the highest number of arrests was in the UAE followed by Thailand.

The majority of arrests are drug-related, with one in seven relating to illegal substances. This is particularly so in Thailand – were a quarter of arrests were due to drugs. The UAE also has a low tolerance of drugs – according to the FCO, many Britons arrested in the UAE are transit passengers, who fall foul of the country's strict drug laws, which prohibit some prescription drugs that are legal in the UK.

Among the notable cases is that of Tracy Wilkinson, 45, from West Sussex, who was arrested at Dubai airport in 2005 for possession of codeine, which she had been taking for chronic back pain.

Arrests are also due to "bad behaviour". The UAE has a low tolerance of anti-Islamic behaviour and behaviour that is regarded as disrespectful towards UAE officials.

The FCO advises Britons heading to unfamiliar countries to familiarise themselves with local laws and customs before heading abroad.

-- timesonline.co.uk 2009-08-26

800,000+ british tourist each year... thats amazing!

Thats like 1 in 50 people in the UK go to Thailand every year!!

err....

800,00 div by 60 million = 1.3 percent, yes? 2 percent or 1 in 50 would be 1.2 million.......

missing the point, maybe, anyway.

rgdz

Brewsta

[Brewsta]

Brewsta, on 2009-08-26 21:45:27, said:

err....

800,00 div by 60 million = 1.3 percent, yes? 2 percent or 1 in 50 would be 1.2 million.......

missing the point, maybe, anyway.

rgdz

Brewsta

we've lost most of those who were (briefly) interested in this perrennial Talking Shop about 'bikes and booze.... same time next year no doubt - see ya then.

brewsta

[fxe1200]

sunnymarky, on 2009-08-26 19:10:29, said:

Quote"Let's call it freedom. If it's not a good place to go to, why don't you go to Ibiza? No cheap girls? Time for you to wake up". End Quote

Freedom? 12,000 traffic road deaths a year , many Drink related. You call it freedom.. hmmm , says it all about your ideals? Fed up with too expensive Ibiza? so lets go to Thailand where "freedom" allows me to behave like the a s s h o le I was in the Uk

More, they have around 18.000 road deaths per year, and an unknown number of unreported cases, due to private settlements.

[KhunAussie52]

Can't we steal the old urn back!!!!!!

[David006]

......The figures mean that Thailand has the highest rate of deaths in proportion to the number of British tourists of any country worldwide. In the year to March, an estimated 860,000 British tourists visited Thailand.........



[i]So what is that as a percentage of total Farang tourists in LOS..anyone know? Interesting to know figures for the rest of the  " does not play well with others" groups..

Stupidity and boorishness is not solely the domain of the  "ugly POME" sad to say.

Though I think it all started in Majorca in the 60s or was it Captain Cook a bit before that...

[peecee]

makescents, on 2009-08-26 09:55:07, said:

Kohn Ferang, on 2009-08-26 09:34:16, said:

I am an American Guy, I have lived in Thailand 5 years, Brittan 6 months, Spain a month and France a month, the British behavior while on holiday is outrageous. I fully understand the Spanish Government arresting them repeatedly, if not in bulk and deporting them, Drunk and fighting every night in the pubs, France too. There were bars in France where I couldn't get a drink until I showed my passport to prove I was not British. Thailand is a little further, we can hope only the somewhat more responsible Britts get that far from home, that they might not still be somewhat special, I have no doubt. Behave yourselves! English speakers around the world suffer the consequences of what U do on Holiday!

I pretty sure you can't deport EU citizens from an EU country.

|Sure you can, if you break the host's law.

[jonclark]

sunnymarky, on 2009-08-26 19:23:00, said:

jonclark, on 2009-08-26 19:19:49, said:

Amazing how much anger there is out there towards brits. I guess it must make weak minded people feel more secure and confident (maybe they've got small willies or something) bashing people of another nationality in a vain attempt to prop up their flagging ego and libido. Ah well us Brits are very self deprecating anyway so we don't take it to heart - just have another beer and SMILE

I am British and will condemn foul mouthed , dangerous , yobbish Brits in Thailand  , So should you

Why should I?? Must I share your opinion and perspective?? I am no saint and at times i've had a few too many and let it all hang out. Am i foul mouthed, dangerous and yobbish - no.
And the truth be told where in the OP does it say that the poor sods that died here on motorbikes are foul-mouthed and dangerous. Obviously people some people have a set stereotype fixed in there head for the word 'Brit' and cannot deviate from that fixed idea and are taking this opportunity to vent their views on the unsuspecting world - Just chill.

I haven't read all eleven pages of posts but the ones I have read not one person has mentioned that fact that this is a tragic loss of life, that effects far more people than those unfortunate enough to lose their lives. May all of those that died RIP.

Anyway i'm off for another f*****g beer, then i'm gonna smash the missus in the mouth