Posted 2009-09-24 17:00:12
 Pattel, on 2009-09-24 13:02:33, said:
I hired a car here last year. On delivery went round the car, not a mark on it.
1 month later gave the car back and was told I had to pay for the scratches (2,000 Baht).
When I said what scratches he got on his knees and pointed to underneath the front bumper.
Sure enough there were scratch marks there, how he saw them standing up beats me.
I am a careful driver when driving somebody else's car and I know I didn't scratch it.
All it means is that I wont use that company again (or recommend them), up to that point I was quite happy with the service provided (airport pick ups etc).
And now when I pick up a hire car I check the underneath as well as the body work. So the scam wont work twice.
Your unfortunate loss is a lesson for the rest of us.
I have hired cars on a few occasions with no problems but your experience will be filed away to be remembered (hopefully) at the appropriate time.
The lessons learned from these sorts of incidents help us to recognize & prevent us from becoming a victims in the future.
For the serial victim, Thailand will appear to be "awash with scams". The smart folk learn quickly, they adapt to their environment & are undoubtedly a lot happier as a result.
Posted 2009-09-24 17:37:24
Pattel, on 2009-09-24 13:02:33, said: LooseCannon, on 2009-09-24 08:27:45, said: Oberkommando, on 2009-09-21 15:57:27, said: Why do people feel the need to constantly state the obvious "scams happen everywhere in the World", or bold or highlight foreign places they have been scammed in some lame effort to protect Thailand or its reputation?
Thailand is awash with scams, trickery, deceit, lies and crime and people should be informed if they come here.
Luckily the internet and programs like 'Big Trouble' have highlighted the problems and people are now seeing Thailand for what it is, despite Thai officials (and some posters here it would seem) best efforts to the contrary.
The truth always comes out in the end folks.
Can you detail the nature of the scams where you have been the 'victim'. You personally - not other 'victims' stories.
How many times have you been a 'victim'?
Do you get caught out by the same scam multiple times? Or are they different scams? - a sort of 'learn as go' scenario, with each time saying to yourself "I won't fall for that one again".
You state that "...people should be informed if they come here", I think most people would appreciate it if you provided some examples.
I hired a car here last year. On delivery went round the car, not a mark on it.
1 month later gave the car back and was told I had to pay for the scratches (2,000 Baht).
When I said what scratches he got on his knees and pointed to underneath the front bumper.
Sure enough there were scratch marks there, how he saw them standing up beats me.
I am a careful driver when driving somebody else's car and I know I didn't scratch it.
All it means is that I wont use that company again (or recommend them), up to that point I was quite happy with the service provided (airport pick ups etc).
And now when I pick up a hire car I check the underneath as well as the body work. So the scam wont work twice.
Just to show that the opposite can happen. Around 2 years ago the wife and I rented a car in Chumphon for a trip to Buriram. Going around Bkk a dog literally threw itself at the car damaging the front bumper, looked like it had been rubbed with sandpaper!! After 10 days or so in Buriram occasionally thinking about how much the damage would cost we got back to Chumphon, where I pointed it out to the owner. After looking he said" No problem, bumper was already scratched on the other side, you pay nothing" 
Posted 2009-09-25 13:21:15
Conversely,
I have on many occasions refused the help of others because I thought they were working an angle.
How my cynicism showed when I realised they were just offering a kindly hand. I guess the problem is often people want money for that help.
If you look for scams you will constantly see other's actions as a build up to a scam.
When you go to do something you have never done before (seems many have never rented cars) then google it.
I video alot because it stops the scams/corruption and provides evidence at a later stage if required.
We think of ourselves as educated individuals yet we succumb to scam carried out by individuals often considered inferior to us.
the old adage of a 'fool and their money' rings true for many on here.
Posted 2009-09-25 15:06:11
Oberkommando, on 2009-09-21 15:57:27, said: Why do people feel the need to constantly state the obvious "scams happen everywhere in the World", or bold or highlight foreign places they have been scammed in some lame effort to protect Thailand or its reputation?
Thailand is awash with scams, trickery, deceit, lies and crime and people should be informed if they come here.
Luckily the internet and programs like 'Big Trouble' have highlighted the problems and people are now seeing Thailand for what it is, despite Thai officials (and some posters here it would seem) best efforts to the contrary.
The truth always comes out in the end folks.  couldn't have said it better myself....i always wonder about the "scams, double pricing, dirty cops happens everywhere in the World" comments as well! Seems it should be obvious...as we are on a Thailand forum discussing Thai related experiences and events. Naturally you'd think a comment about something that happened in some obscure village in the U.K. or small town USA would obviously be irrelevant???
Posted 2009-09-25 19:20:17
dsprtliving, on 2009-09-25 15:06:11, said: Oberkommando, on 2009-09-21 15:57:27, said: Why do people feel the need to constantly state the obvious "scams happen everywhere in the World", or bold or highlight foreign places they have been scammed in some lame effort to protect Thailand or its reputation?
Thailand is awash with scams, trickery, deceit, lies and crime and people should be informed if they come here.
Luckily the internet and programs like 'Big Trouble' have highlighted the problems and people are now seeing Thailand for what it is, despite Thai officials (and some posters here it would seem) best efforts to the contrary.
The truth always comes out in the end folks. couldn't have said it better myself....i always wonder about the "scams, double pricing, dirty cops happens everywhere in the World" comments as well! Seems it should be obvious...as we are on a Thailand forum discussing Thai related experiences and events. Naturally you'd think a comment about something that happened in some obscure village in the U.K. or small town USA would obviously be irrelevant???
"Thailand is awash with scams, trickery, deceit, lies and crime... ." - all he has done is state the bleedin' obvious.
What sort of moron would arrive in a country with a rating barely above third world status & not expect "scams, trickery, deceit, lies and crime". Basic commonsense. 
'.....people should be informed if they come here" - why? because their home countries are such paradigms of honesty that deceit & crime do not exist & as such the foreign visitor to Thailand will be completely blindsided by the rampant criminal activity. A poor South East Asian country awash in a sea of scams? Surely not. 
It's all very well for somebody to say "Thailand is awash with scams....", but without documenting these scams that have been perpetrated on them personally it renders the comment both useless & vacuous.
At least when somebody recounts a scam that occurred in some place other than Thailand, we can actually think about it & maybe be forwarned about similar scams that may happen in Thailand.
Posted 2009-09-25 19:37:56
Will not honour guarantees. If they do it just so happens that the part that was replaced wasn't covered, xxx Baht, thank you.
Posted 2009-09-25 19:56:07
sinbin, on 2009-09-25 19:37:56, said: Will not honour guarantees. If they do it just so happens that the part that was replaced wasn't covered, xxx Baht, thank you.
The lack of detail makes this useless.
Posted 2009-09-26 11:58:34
dumball, on 2009-09-20 17:20:05, said: If nothing else , great entertainment for a while , have any more good ones ? 555
You can find loads of scams here: Scams
Posted 2009-09-27 21:46:48
I took my mates to Patpong last week who were here on holidays, we wanted to see one of the famous shows. Anyways we told a beer costs 100 baht, we go up and 15 beers later, the beers were 300 baht. Got scammed big time. Never go there again
Posted 2009-09-27 22:48:49
Pay the bin after each round, then you can go there again
Posted 2009-09-27 22:54:55
Mossfinn, on 2009-09-27 22:48:49, said: Pay the bin after each round, then you can go there again
Maybe, but it is a hassel to do that. I mean if the guy says a beer costs 100 baht, I dont expect to get a bill saying they were 300 baht each.
But in know that now, if I ever go to those places again, I will pay 1 round at a time
Posted 2009-09-28 01:07:32
spysee, on 2009-09-27 22:54:55, said: Mossfinn, on 2009-09-27 22:48:49, said: Pay the bin after each round, then you can go there again
Maybe, but it is a hassel to do that. I mean if the guy says a beer costs 100 baht, I dont expect to get a bill saying they were 300 baht each.
But in know that now, if I ever go to those places again, I will pay 1 round at a time
Im not being a S.A but maybe there was a happy hour promotion when you first arrived and it lapsed on the next hour..you get that a lot here 
Posted 2009-09-28 02:28:08
ozzieovaseas, on 2009-09-28 01:07:32, said: spysee, on 2009-09-27 22:54:55, said: Mossfinn, on 2009-09-27 22:48:49, said: Pay the bin after each round, then you can go there again
Maybe, but it is a hassel to do that. I mean if the guy says a beer costs 100 baht, I dont expect to get a bill saying they were 300 baht each.
But in know that now, if I ever go to those places again, I will pay 1 round at a time
Im not being a S.A but maybe there was a happy hour promotion when you first arrived and it lapsed on the next hour..you get that a lot here
Nice one...
i would like to post some example of scam,but after the sick buffalo experience,i didn't get any.
I have become a cynical cheap charlie 
But keep them coming,good lessons and lot of fun
Posted 2009-09-28 03:01:16
PattayaParent, on 2009-09-19 22:24:28, said: Hired a car. Pointed out to them that the front bumper was damaged.
The guy said he would make a note of it on the hire form.
Stupidly I dodn't ensure he did and later when I'd left the country the repair for the damage was charged to my credit card.
This was Alamo rentals at Heathrow, London.
to all those who say this doesn't happen "at home" it does. "caveat epmtor" is a sentiment valid everywhere.
the downside of being 'clued up' is folks convinced they are being done over a complete misunderstanding. i have seen both wrongs here with equal frequency
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