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[raro]

one big advantage is that your empty water bottles can be tossed in the back and once a week you just open the trunk and empty the garbage

//edit: don't do it with the Carabao Daeng bottles..

[rixalex]

raro, on 2009-10-04 09:28:39, said:

Fortuner: worst car I've ever driven.

For that to have much meaning, we need to know what you have driven, besides a Jazz. One things for sure, you've obviously never driven a Lada Estelle!

Re the new Jazz being plasticy - yeah that was the first thing that struck me. Seems like interiors of some car manufactorers are going backwards. I thought when they introduced these lovely new soft plastics with the rubbery but solid feel about them (about 10 years ago), that the age of cheap, thin, brittle looking plastics was a thing of the past. I was wrong. They are making a come-back. Can only assume it must be a cost-cutting measure.

[raro]

Never had the pleasure driving a Lada Estelle....

You are right about the plastic...that rubbery plastic that the old jazz has inside feels alright. Not leather...but alright. Hope it will backfire

[keemapoot]

Maigo6, on 2009-10-03 17:13:32, said:

keemapoot, on 2009-10-02 18:54:07, said:

Ok, here are some pics of what you can do to make the basic model look totally custom and it drives like a dream.

Looks good Keema,

I'd still be inclined to go for the model with the fold down rear seat myself, what was the price difference ?

I don't like the black interiors either, I prefer the light colour myself.  Is there a choice over the entire model range, the Jazz only comes with black interior and it puts me off.

Here are the prices:                                                           MT                                                           AT                                                                                              524,000  บาท                                                           564,000 บาท                                                                                                                                                                                                                            AT (ABS)                                                            AT (AS)                                                                                              619,000 บาท                                                                              644,000 บาท                                                                                                                                                                                                       694,000 บาท
so, I bought the S AT for 564k, then added about 40k of mods.  So, I was in around 600 all in.  That is still over 100 cheaper than the SV (which is the only one with the fold down rear seat), and the SV is nowhere near custom.  But another big advantage of the SV over the lower models is the adjustable seat height, which is good to have.

As far as interior, the only choice is beige on the lower models.  This is a nice color for the interior, but they did one or two stupid things like putting cloth where you open the doors, so that will discolor quickly - we will cover them with something.  On the SV you can get black or other colors maybe.

** oh yeah, I forgot.  Honda did something totally stupid with the SV too.  They only have the radio and IPOD connection, no CD player.  On my model the CD player also has an IPOD connection so I'm not sure what they hel_l they are thinking by doing that to the top model.

Edited by keemapoot, 2009-10-04 14:02:26.

[yabaaaa]

keemapoot, on 2009-10-04 14:00:37, said:

Maigo6, on 2009-10-03 17:13:32, said:

keemapoot, on 2009-10-02 18:54:07, said:

Ok, here are some pics of what you can do to make the basic model look totally custom and it drives like a dream.

Looks good Keema,

I'd still be inclined to go for the model with the fold down rear seat myself, what was the price difference ?

I don't like the black interiors either, I prefer the light colour myself.  Is there a choice over the entire model range, the Jazz only comes with black interior and it puts me off.

Here are the prices:                                                           MT                                                           AT                                                                                              524,000  บาท                                                           564,000 บาท                                                                                                                                                                                                                            AT (ABS)                                                            AT (AS)                                                                                              619,000 บาท                                                                              644,000 บาท                                                                                                                                                                                                       694,000 บาท
so, I bought the S AT for 564k, then added about 40k of mods.  So, I was in around 600 all in.  That is still over 100 cheaper than the SV (which is the only one with the fold down rear seat), and the SV is nowhere near custom.  But another big advantage of the SV over the lower models is the adjustable seat height, which is good to have.

As far as interior, the only choice is beige on the lower models.  This is a nice color for the interior, but they did one or two stupid things like putting cloth where you open the doors, so that will discolor quickly - we will cover them with something.  On the SV you can get black or other colors maybe.

** oh yeah, I forgot.  Honda did something totally stupid with the SV too.  They only have the radio and IPOD connection, no CD player.  On my model the CD player also has an IPOD connection so I'm not sure what they hel_l they are thinking by doing that to the top model.

Hasnt the SV got paddles shift as well? I have found on the Jazz it accelerates much faster and doesnt change up early if you "floor it" in auto mode its  a  lot slower.

[yabaaaa]

Heng, on 2009-10-04 09:43:09, said:

What are some of the pluses of a hatchback?   My first car ('91 Mustang GT) was a hatchback, and it pretty much was a trunk.  I suppose gals in the backseat could reach for whatever was in the trunk (beer, chips, lube, etc.) but that was about it.

TRy getting a  chest of drawers or chair in the back of a  sedan, thats the difference.

[guzzi850m2]

yabaaaa, on 2009-10-04 21:34:56, said:

TRy getting a chest of drawers or chair in the back of a sedan, thats the difference.

If we are talking furniture moving buy a pick-up. If you buy any piece of furniture over 1000 bath they will deliver for free so no concerns there. I can load two shopping trolleys easily in my City's trunk and that was one of the reasons I bought a City, not for funiture moving.
Somebody told me the 4 persons can load their golf gear and go golfing in a City, please correct me if I am wrong as I don't play myself.

[Heng]

yabaaaa, on 2009-10-04 21:34:56, said:

Heng, on 2009-10-04 09:43:09, said:

What are some of the pluses of a hatchback?   My first car ('91 Mustang GT) was a hatchback, and it pretty much was a trunk.  I suppose gals in the backseat could reach for whatever was in the trunk (beer, chips, lube, etc.) but that was about it.

TRy getting a  chest of drawers or chair in the back of a  sedan, thats the difference.

I think maybe you're thinking a Hummer hatchback maybe?   For a Jazz, Mustang, etc... then you basically get the added difference of being able to fit a full size Igloo cooler in there and maybe still open it from the inside.    But yeah, I get your point that you do get that slightly increased triangular area of space to put stuff and can also reach it from the inside of your car.... probably the perfect shape for a lower model tennis ball machine or small catapult as well.  

Edited by Heng, 2009-10-05 06:47:54.

[yabaaaa]

Heng, on 2009-10-05 06:45:50, said:

yabaaaa, on 2009-10-04 21:34:56, said:

Heng, on 2009-10-04 09:43:09, said:

What are some of the pluses of a hatchback?   My first car ('91 Mustang GT) was a hatchback, and it pretty much was a trunk.  I suppose gals in the backseat could reach for whatever was in the trunk (beer, chips, lube, etc.) but that was about it.

TRy getting a  chest of drawers or chair in the back of a  sedan, thats the difference.

I think maybe you're thinking a Hummer hatchback maybe?   For a Jazz, Mustang, etc... then you basically get the added difference of being able to fit a full size Igloo cooler in there and maybe still open it from the inside.    But yeah, I get your point that you do get that slightly increased triangular area of space to put stuff and can also reach it from the inside of your car.... probably the perfect shape for a lower model tennis ball machine or small catapult as well.  

Catapult? Yes the Trebuchet will only fit in the Jazz the City's useless for carrying it   

[Spaniel]

In June I got a new Jazz and very happy with it.   I looked at the City and the new styling is great but i had just sold my Civic and was looking for something different so went with the Jazz.    In that price range either one would be a good choice.

[raro]

guzzi850m2, on 2009-10-04 22:09:31, said:

yabaaaa, on 2009-10-04 21:34:56, said:

TRy getting a chest of drawers or chair in the back of a sedan, thats the difference.

If we are talking furniture moving buy a pick-up. If you buy any piece of furniture over 1000 bath they will deliver for free so no concerns there. I can load two shopping trolleys easily in my City's trunk and that was one of the reasons I bought a City, not for funiture moving.
Somebody told me the 4 persons can load their golf gear and go golfing in a City, please correct me if I am wrong as I don't play myself.

not sure if you saw my post above, I did a removal with the Jazz and it is incredible what you can stuff inside!

And it drives like a car with car suspensions, not like a pick-up that has rather truck properties. Moreover, your stuff remains dry in the back and is locked up.

[EvilDrSomkid]

Heng, on 2009-10-04 03:43:22, said:

Depends on the use, will there be any highway driving? Might want to consider the safety issue with relatively small tires and small brakes of both the City and/or Jazz (or Yaris, for that matter) especially in the rain. You can upgrade the tires and brakes of course, but you'd be surprised how many people say they will do that but then change their minds (usually fearing that keeping it 'stock' is better). For highway driving, perhaps your old (or a new one) Fortuner, or perhaps CRV might be a little safer. Heavy, not too much zip, plus as per the local Darwin road rules... bullies (buses, trucks, etc.) tend not to mess with bigger or more expensive cars.

All would be fun and easy for city only driving though, especially in any town where you might have to parallel park more often than not.

In summary, I recommend an X3 for the missus and 650i for yourself.

"It is so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up...."

Like you say Heng, the safety of a car should much higher on the list of priorities here. If there is going to be any out of town driving, a heavier more solid vehicle should be considered. Stuff the fuel bill.

Recently we had an encounter with a 10 wheel Mitsubishi Fuso, doing approximately 60kmh when it hit us. We are lucky to be alive. Brake tracks of the truck was 43meters. Almost killed my FIL.

Insurance said it was truckies fault.
See pic.

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[sunny747]

EvilDrSomkid, on 2009-10-07 15:43:45, said:

Heng, on 2009-10-04 03:43:22, said:

Depends on the use, will there be any highway driving? Might want to consider the safety issue with relatively small tires and small brakes of both the City and/or Jazz (or Yaris, for that matter) especially in the rain. You can upgrade the tires and brakes of course, but you'd be surprised how many people say they will do that but then change their minds (usually fearing that keeping it 'stock' is better). For highway driving, perhaps your old (or a new one) Fortuner, or perhaps CRV might be a little safer. Heavy, not too much zip, plus as per the local Darwin road rules... bullies (buses, trucks, etc.) tend not to mess with bigger or more expensive cars.

All would be fun and easy for city only driving though, especially in any town where you might have to parallel park more often than not.

In summary, I recommend an X3 for the missus and 650i for yourself.

"It is so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up...."

Like you say Heng, the safety of a car should much higher on the list of priorities here. If there is going to be any out of town driving, a heavier more solid vehicle should be considered. Stuff the fuel bill.

Recently we had an encounter with a 10 wheel Mitsubishi Fuso, doing approximately 60kmh when it hit us. We are lucky to be alive. Brake tracks of the truck was 43meters. Almost killed my FIL.

Insurance said it was truckies fault.
See pic.

my god!!! scary...
glad that you are ok.........

[Heng]

Forgot to also add the obvious that the higher up you go model wise (in addition to the weight and stability pluses), the more likely you are to be surrounded by more and more airbags.... don't forget to check.    Easy to overlook, most of us will never need to see one, I never have... but I think when I finally do, I'll certainly appreciate them from both the front and the side.    

[yabaaaa]

EvilDrSomkid, on 2009-10-07 15:43:45, said:

Heng, on 2009-10-04 03:43:22, said:

Depends on the use, will there be any highway driving? Might want to consider the safety issue with relatively small tires and small brakes of both the City and/or Jazz (or Yaris, for that matter) especially in the rain. You can upgrade the tires and brakes of course, but you'd be surprised how many people say they will do that but then change their minds (usually fearing that keeping it 'stock' is better). For highway driving, perhaps your old (or a new one) Fortuner, or perhaps CRV might be a little safer. Heavy, not too much zip, plus as per the local Darwin road rules... bullies (buses, trucks, etc.) tend not to mess with bigger or more expensive cars.

All would be fun and easy for city only driving though, especially in any town where you might have to parallel park more often than not.

In summary, I recommend an X3 for the missus and 650i for yourself.

"It is so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up...."

Like you say Heng, the safety of a car should much higher on the list of priorities here. If there is going to be any out of town driving, a heavier more solid vehicle should be considered. Stuff the fuel bill.

Recently we had an encounter with a 10 wheel Mitsubishi Fuso, doing approximately 60kmh when it hit us. We are lucky to be alive. Brake tracks of the truck was 43meters. Almost killed my FIL.

Insurance said it was truckies fault.
See pic.

Sheesh this would be a  write off in the UK but in Thailand will it be repaired??
Safety  in cars here isnt  a high priority even the Jazz sv only has 2  airbags!

[sabaijai]

For mainly Bangkok driving, the Jazz. For anywhere else, the City.

[raro]

yabaaaa, on 2009-10-08 01:55:29, said:

Sheesh this would be a  write off in the UK but in Thailand will it be repaired??
Safety  in cars here isnt  a high priority even the Jazz sv only has 2  airbags!

valid point! And only the VTEC has two of them. All others only one for the driver. The VTEC is also the only model with rear disk brakes instead of drums. I wonder that they still dare to offer such medieval technology!

[EvilDrSomkid]

yabaaaa, on 2009-10-07 20:55:29, said:

EvilDrSomkid, on 2009-10-07 15:43:45, said:

Heng, on 2009-10-04 03:43:22, said:

Depends on the use, will there be any highway driving? Might want to consider the safety issue with relatively small tires and small brakes of both the City and/or Jazz (or Yaris, for that matter) especially in the rain. You can upgrade the tires and brakes of course, but you'd be surprised how many people say they will do that but then change their minds (usually fearing that keeping it 'stock' is better). For highway driving, perhaps your old (or a new one) Fortuner, or perhaps CRV might be a little safer. Heavy, not too much zip, plus as per the local Darwin road rules... bullies (buses, trucks, etc.) tend not to mess with bigger or more expensive cars.

All would be fun and easy for city only driving though, especially in any town where you might have to parallel park more often than not.

In summary, I recommend an X3 for the missus and 650i for yourself.

"It is so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up...."

Like you say Heng, the safety of a car should much higher on the list of priorities here. If there is going to be any out of town driving, a heavier more solid vehicle should be considered. Stuff the fuel bill.

Recently we had an encounter with a 10 wheel Mitsubishi Fuso, doing approximately 60kmh when it hit us. We are lucky to be alive. Brake tracks of the truck was 43meters. Almost killed my FIL.

Insurance said it was truckies fault.
See pic.

Sheesh this would be a write off in the UK but in Thailand will it be repaired??
Safety in cars here isnt a high priority even the Jazz sv only has 2 airbags!

It is a write off here too. We have bought a replacement S6. All useable parts will be switched over.
This chassis will not return to the road. It could only be repaired to 80% of its original state. The chassis is bent.

Airbags will not save you in a Jazz or City if a truck hits you. It will crush you.

[Tingnongnoi]

what about the new Mazda 2 when it comes out here soon?

[ignis]

Tingnongnoi, on 2009-10-08 16:40:19, said:

what about the new Mazda 2 when it comes out here soon?

Driving past a Mazda showroom yesterday there was some sort of party going on and big display boards abgout the Mazda 2, so maybe it is already in the showroom [could be for customers to pre order]

[culicine]

The ford festiva might be worth a look too - not sure when its out here though..

[ignis]

culicine, on 2009-10-09 07:22:52, said:

The ford festiva might be worth a look too - not sure when its out here though..

Did you mean Fiesta ? 1st quarter of 2010..  Voted the Best Diesel  Supermini & Car of the Year 2009, wonder if they will make the Diesel ? in reports early this year they said they would, there again somewhere I read that the Thailand Fiesta would have 4 doors and a boot

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Edited by ignis, 2009-10-09 07:46:53.

[Heng]

As for Mazda, Nissan, Ford, Chevy,... I'd be weary of any make whose particular models disappear or are removed from market every few years, not to mention relatively limited dealer/service center network.    All good though if you only plan to use it for 3-5 years and don't have to worry about parts being on stock longer than that.

[culicine]

ignis, on 2009-10-09 07:42:08, said:

culicine, on 2009-10-09 07:22:52, said:

The ford festiva might be worth a look too - not sure when its out here though..

Did you mean Fiesta ? 1st quarter of 2010.. Voted the Best Diesel Supermini & Car of the Year 2009, wonder if they will make the Diesel ? in reports early this year they said they would, there again somewhere I read that the Thailand Fiesta would have 4 doors and a boot

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Yes thats what I mean't. Confused it with an older model.

[t.s]

raro, on 2009-10-04 09:28:39, said:

I'm a very happy Jazz V-TEC driver for almost 5 years and clocked 205,000 km as of today.

The car runs fast enough (maxes out at 180) is very versatile, can load up sh1tloads of stuff (did one removal with it....and yet another box fit in....).

Compared to the City....the Jazz is technically the same car, so it can do whatever the City can with the plus of the hatchback.

The interior of the new models is unfortunately too much plastic for me. The older models looked far better.

Fortuner: worst car I've ever driven. Going in a corner is like shooting with a bent gun. Don't want one for free.

ok i have been driving a 2008 modulo civic, and i have been really happy with everything but the automatic tranny. loss of engine braking on any motorized vehicle unsettles me . that said it is rock solid at 150 kph + and great to drive over long distances. also, the front wheel drive is crap on long circular on and off ramps.

i have never driven a jazz, but i find it hard to believe that even if i can do 180, you could ever possibly feel confident at prolonged higher speeds. it appears to have a high center of gravity, tiny wheels and narrow wheelbase. it is admittedly a city car.

the city seems a great compromise between jazz and civic. lower center of gravity than jazz, and with some new rims, beefed up suspension and the new transmission,  i cant see how the jazz coul be a better driving car. the jazz looks like a running shoe. the city looks pretty dam_n good. if only mugen had a part to replace the barbecue grill with mesh.

obviously i would prefer a bmw, but not willing to pay thailands tax markup.