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[andy1308]

Plus, on 2009-10-02 05:20:24, said:

I, for one, hardly ever go to BP webiste - all important stories get reposted here anyway.

Thaivisa is like RSS feed itself, expect instead of headlines you get to read WHOLE news articles.

And no offence intended because you are not alone, but that is exactly why Post Publishing, and other publishers, are likely to increasingly adopt measure to protect their copyright. Because you're not visiting their website they are missing out on possible advertising revenues - at the expense of this website which gains.

(Edit: In the interests of transparency I want to add I have absolutely no connection with Post Publishing, however I do work for a Bangkok-based Thai language magazine and website publisher).

Edited by andy1308, 2009-10-02 11:34:59.

[Crushdepth]

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A few years ago there was an effort on Thaivisa to limit posting of news stories from the papers to the headline + the intro paragraph + the link back to the full article. What happened to that? Surely that fits under fair use?

I think the problem is the way the Post sets up its pages.
The links die after a few days.

Unlike some other news sources where pages are available months, possible years later.

[Plus]

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What is an RSS feed?

It's a kind of technology that sends you links to the latest news articles. You can see the headline and perhaps one sentence explaining what it is about.

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Odd that one can find no mention of the "Society for Online News Providers" anywhere online, other than this thread.

There was a news report about formation of this society, in the Nation, a couple of weeks ago.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/search/rea...newsid=30113046

Edited by Plus, 2009-10-02 11:35:31.

[Robbie Dye]

7, on 2009-10-02 11:20:13, said:

george, on 2009-10-02 10:52:50, said:

Avoid content from Bangkok Post

I've avoided buying the printed edition of BP for the past five years. Thumbs up for The Nation!

BUT it has a lot of alternative uses after reading it if one has a lot of dogs at home!!

[ff978472]

andy1308, on 2009-10-02 11:32:15, said:

And no offence intended because you are not alone, but that is exactly why Post Publishing, and other publishers, are likely to increasingly adopt measure to protect their copyright. Because you're not visiting their website they are missing out on possible advertising revenues - at the expense of this website which gains.

In other words, Thai Visa is stealing "some" traffic from BKK Post.
Be fair, people.

[Jeii3000]

madmitch, on 2009-10-02 11:24:14, said:

OK, I'm going to ask the question that I hope other people are thinking:

What is an RSS feed?

Have a look right here

[desi]

sabaijai, on 2009-10-02 11:29:37, said:

Odd that one can find no mention of the "Society for Online News Providers" anywhere online, other than this thread.

I noticed that too.

Something is not right here, but as no one has spoken up about the fair use laws in Thailand (are they the same as the US?), perhaps ask these guys?

Thailawforum.com

[AlanL1275]

This is simple. I will no longer be buying, nor reading the Bangkok Post any longer.
:-)

[george]

This Thai law says its no copyright on news articles (section 7.1):

http://www.thailawfo...copyright2.html

[McPhong]

Nicely written!

[yumidesign]

Aqualogic, on 2009-10-02 11:07:11, said:

Never mind, they will come around eventually. There are plenty of formerly powerful news organizations in the West also trying to figure out how to claw back the omnipotent control over news and information they once had. Happily, the boat has already sailed and the mass general public are all on board. Bon voyage

too true its nice to see the likes of the murdoch clan trying to extort money by charging for on line news........ but far too late.... as you say the boat has truely
left port without them

[andy1308]

desi, on 2009-10-02 05:41:06, said:

sabaijai, on 2009-10-02 11:29:37, said:

Odd that one can find no mention of the "Society for Online News Providers" anywhere online, other than this thread.

I noticed that too.

Something is not right here, but as no one has spoken up about the fair use laws in Thailand (are they the same as the US?), perhaps ask these guys?

Thailawforum.com

Fair use would not include cutting-and-pasting an entire story word-for-word for commercial gain.

The Society for Online News Providers is new. It was formed last week and does include Nation Multimedia, along with around a dozen (at the moment) Thai language publishers.

[StrandedBusinessPerson]

sabaijai, on 2009-10-02 11:29:37, said:

Odd that one can find no mention of the "Society for Online News Providers" anywhere online, other than this thread.

Good one! It's probably forming now...The Bugle has a good explanation why...
http://www.bangkokbugle.com/2009/10/bangko...-copyright.html

My guess is that this is a baby step to microcharging for content.

Edited by StrandedBusinessPerson, 2009-10-02 11:48:45.

[Farma]

sabaijai, on 2009-10-02 11:29:37, said:

Odd that one can find no mention of the "Society for Online News Providers" anywhere online, other than this thread.

There was an article in The Nation on the 25th of September mentioning the formation of the Online News Producers Club. Maybe the same "Society"?
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/09/25...ss_30113046.php

[angiud]

I didn't buy Bangkok Post for a long time, and in the meantime I appreciated the Nation covering during the Black Songkran, the best e most updated source of informations during that awful days.

So, thumb up for the Nation

(also politically speaking)

[andy1308]

George mentions the "news of the day" exemption in the Thailand Law Forum link. From what I understand that essentially means headline news. There is no copyright on headline news. I am not a lawyer but have been involved in legal publishing issues over the past 15+ years.

[thykeeper]

Plus, on 2009-10-02 11:12:06, said:

In general I support that "Society for Online News Providers" - they should get their royalties for reposting their content, which is not free to produce.

That's what Bangkok Post should try to negotiate - share of the revenue for reading their articles on TV or anywhere else. But if they chose to forbid reposting and even quoting - it's their choice, I just hope they eventually realize that it's not the way to move forward. They might hurt themselves, but, on the other hand - no one here, on TV, would be happy if they go bust, or if the quality of their reporting deteriorates - that's not what we want to see in Thailand.

For now the ban is a ban. Hope they still allow links. That was not clear from George's announcement.

Are they ok with posting links to their articles?

I don't think anyone can claim ownership of a link, it's public domain. That would be like trying to ban people from speaking your name or gaining access to your address after you clearly posted it on your front door.

[chrisdom]

Bangkok Post is reporting that Blah blah blah with a link to the article is not using their content. Is that acceptable? (In the same way you might highlight something on BBC or CNN without actually seeing the content.)

For me, their content is produced at their expense and with their expertise and clearly they want to drive people to it some way or another (not remove the need to, as reproducing all of the article does).

It might be different if you had to pay to get the article (but that will come!).

Must admit that I am becoming less and less enamored with BK Post as a subscriber.
Today's front page ignores the regional tragedies of earthquakes and tsunami - surely huge news that should be covered properly and professionally and doesn't get any coverage until page 6.

I can understand where they are coming from but this is ill-thought through and creates misunderstanding.

[LivinLOS]

Crushdepth, on 2009-10-02 11:32:24, said:

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You've got to be kidding. ThaiVisa is probably the reason they get half their traffic. Way to shoot yourself in the foot BKK Post!

I don't think the Post can "ban" quoting small bits of articles used in discussion or criticism, its fair use. However, I suspect the real issue is the cut-and-paste of full articles or overly large sections thereof, which is (lets face it) a breach of copyright.

Exactly the same as a local news source that was a previous advertiser.. They simply wanted to not have full cut and pastes without a linkback..

And as they create the content and ThaiVisa would then repost that without backlinks and collect the advertising revenue on someone elses copyrighted content I fully understand that.

[desi]

andy1308, on 2009-10-02 11:44:43, said:

desi, on 2009-10-02 05:41:06, said:

sabaijai, on 2009-10-02 11:29:37, said:

Odd that one can find no mention of the "Society for Online News Providers" anywhere online, other than this thread.

I noticed that too.

Something is not right here, but as no one has spoken up about the fair use laws in Thailand (are they the same as the US?), perhaps ask these guys?

Thailawforum.com

Fair use would not include cutting-and-pasting an entire story word-for-word for commercial gain.

The Society for Online News Providers is new. It was formed last week and does include Nation Multimedia, along with around a dozen (at the moment) Thai language publishers.

I've always thought that TV went OTT when posting entire stories (or even a huge chunk). But TV are saying that we can't even quote from the Bangkok Post.

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Members quoting or posting Bangkok Post content will be warned by our moderating team, and the post will be deleted without warning.

That is the part that makes no sense to me. From what I understand, there is no legal stand against quoting.

[baht&sold]

Farma, on 2009-10-02 11:46:27, said:

sabaijai, on 2009-10-02 11:29:37, said:

Odd that one can find no mention of the "Society for Online News Providers" anywhere online, other than this thread.

There was an article in The Nation on the 25th of September mentioning the formation of the Online News Producers Club. Maybe the same "Society"?
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/09/25...ss_30113046.php

"A joint declaration forming the club was signed by 13 major online news-content providers: ASTV Manager, Thai Rath Online, Daily News Online, Matichon, Post Publishing, the Nation Multimedia Group, Siam Sport, INN Online, Thansettakij Online, Dara Daily Online, Nawnha Online, Siam Rath Online and Thai Post Online."

[adam1]

Yes, it's a tad strange......it maybe that this is an overreaction to some technicality, and that sanity and reasonableness will prevail when the dust settles.
I must agree though that the boat has definitely sailed, and free-circulating information is now the currency du jour, thank god. The Bangkok Post is such a propaganda-ridden and sanitised dinosaur. I do enjoy the funnies and some Outlook articles tho', and the weather..........

[richard10365]

haha so funny...This should make the qualty of news reporting higher on Thaivisa. More truthful too. Good riddence to the Bangkok Post.

I stopped reading Bangkok Post because of the wild healdlines they would use to sell papers. Apparently that is not a requirement for SONP.

[Crushdepth]

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Section 7.
The followings are not deemed copyright works by virtue of this Act:

(1) news of the day and facts having the character of mere information which is not a work in literary, scientific or artistic domain;

I think this refers to the basic *factual information* of what happened. You can't claim copyright over a news event just by being the first to report it. However, that doesn't mean people can copy your story about it - just that they are free to write their own.

[PaulHamon]

raynimmo, on 2009-10-02 11:05:37, said:

So surely for ThiaVisa to keep up with the rest of the world you should implement RSS within posts.

Bit of a no brainer really.

i'm very sure this is not hard, and commonly takes place on other forums.