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Posted 2009-10-20 12:51:08
 marsteele, on 2009-10-20 12:16:52, said:
crazyswede, on 2009-10-20 11:38:06, said: Nothing upsetīs me anymore when it comes to Thaiīs .. you just have to love them! 555 
Little did i know about Thailand and Thai culture 10 years ago so how could they know about this .. told GF about Hitler , WWII etc. couple of years ago and she had never heard about it so dont blame Thai People , blame the regime! 
How could she not know about it? WWII is part of thai history. Thais sided with the Japanese, Japan sided with Germany (Hitler) Has she never heard of the infamous Thai/Burma Railway and the bridge over the River Kwai? We learnt in schools of the treatment afforded to allied prisoners of war at the hands of Thai and Japanese soldiers during the building of the Thai / Burma Railway from Bangkok through to burma
You should have listened a little more carefully to your schoolteachers. The Thais did not side with the Japanese during WWII, they were invaded by the Japanese, and there were no Thai soldiers mistreating allied POWS on the River Kwai. If you actually go there, you will discover the villains were the Japanese and their Korean cohorts.
Posted 2009-10-20 12:51:29
Knowing the American education system there are a few Americans who do not know about Hitler.
O, there were more Thais killed and who died building the death railroad than allied soliders, they don't have graves
Posted 2009-10-20 12:52:56
of course what few people are taught
or remember
is that thailand declared war on the U.S. so as not
to be occupied by japan in WW2...like it or not
they were part of the "Axis" back then
Posted 2009-10-20 12:53:49
MY Wife (Thai) knows who Hitler is...
My niece , who is a 23 Year old University Graduate in Computer Sciences has know idea who Hitler, The Dali Llama or Gandhi are..
In Thailand, Education varies from school to school , District to District .. 
Don't blame the Locals for their ignorance.
Some of you seem to ride pretty High Horses as well , Flogging us with you OPINION and hiding behind your knowledge and education, but I think they could both be put to much better use .. I know that being educated does not mean you are Smart.. SEE EXAMPLES ABOVE..
Use you educations to make thinks better, not to EGO Trip on the less privileged..
Maybe then things here will improve in little steps a bit at a time.
Opinions are just that , Opinions , and I have stated mine, HITLER can stay.. I LOVE the Thai Advertising , Comedy at it's best , no Harm intended or taken.....
Posted 2009-10-20 12:54:07
maybe they should have used that other well known Fascist Ariel Sharon, not dead yet, just hovering
Posted 2009-10-20 12:54:27
good and bad should be there... it's past its history anyway. is there any aL_Kapon,
always heard about him never actually seen his face
Posted 2009-10-20 12:56:33
Hi.
I am German and had to suffer from the racism and neo-nazism in that country. It is one of the reasons i left Germany and vowed never to return again. However here in Thailand i am not the least bit offended by the Nazi-cult that shows at places - how often did i see motorbike riders wearing the "Wehrmacht" type helmet, complete with the swastika sticker (and the correct, Nazi, one - not the Hindu one!) or people wearing t-shirts with that same swastika and even the words "Sieg Heil" below it - they obviously have no clue at all what it means.
I once had a taxi driver ask me where i am from - they all do that, and usually after my "Germany" they come back with either "oh, Bundesliga!" or "oh, BMW!"..... but this guy came back with "oh, Germany... Adolf Hitler still your president? He good man!" I was kind of baffled.
And yesterday evening, when this story was on TV, my boyfriend (Thai) asked me seriously "why Jews complain about Hitler, did he do something bad..?" THEY REALLY DON'T KNOW IT!
But then - in Germany we didn't cover "Rama V" in History, either....... yet he (Rama V) didn't start a world war and killed millions in his home country at the same time, too.
Don't blame the Thais - blame their education system.
Kind regards.....
Thanh
Posted 2009-10-20 12:58:01
loupe, on 2009-10-20 12:51:08, said: You should have listened a little more carefully to your schoolteachers. The Thais did not side with the Japanese during WWII, they were invaded by the Japanese, and there were no Thai soldiers mistreating allied POWS on the River Kwai. If you actually go there, you will discover the villains were the Japanese and their Korean cohorts.
Whilst there is no doubt that it was the Japanese and Koreasn who did the mistreating of the allied POW'S, Thailand was not officially invaded, and gave right of passage to the Japanese so that they could enter Burma and Malaysia. It is also worth noting that Thailand did declare war on Britain and the United States after signing a treaty of alliance with Japan, so maybe you should have listened a little more carefully. 
Edited by mrtoad, 2009-10-20 12:59:17.
Posted 2009-10-20 12:58:36
Quote Don't blame the Thais - blame their education system.
Interesting. Is there some other nationality in charge of the Thai education system?
Posted 2009-10-20 12:58:59
venturalaw, on 2009-10-20 11:53:17, said: "Museum director Somporn Naksuetrong said: "We didn't choose Hitler with the intention of praising him, but because he is well-known. But we understand. It is sensitive for some people and countries."
I believe the director is being honest here. I also understand why the billboard would be offensive to some people. Good idea that it is being removed but I would not remove the wax figure. He was part of history. However, there are plenty of ways to advertise without being offensive. Plus those offended certainly would not be visiting the museum, so it additionally makes financial sense.
Indeed, he was probaby honest but incredibly dumb as well and extremely tasteless. There are better jobs for honest people like him in Thailand than running a wax museum... because honest candidates for Thai jobs, you cannot find too much!  
Posted 2009-10-20 13:01:03
enemedin, on 2009-10-20 12:54:27, said: good and bad should be there... it's past its history anyway. is there any aL_Kapon,
always heard about him never actually seen his face
Al Kapon - he's the Thai/Italian mafia lord isn't he? 
Posted 2009-10-20 13:04:00
A very smart marketing trick by the museum. They got all the world media coverage they wanted, for cheap.
Posted 2009-10-20 13:04:41
marsteele, on 2009-10-20 12:16:52, said: crazyswede, on 2009-10-20 11:38:06, said: Nothing upsetīs me anymore when it comes to Thaiīs .. you just have to love them! 555
Little did i know about Thailand and Thai culture 10 years ago so how could they know about this .. told GF about Hitler , WWII etc. couple of years ago and she had never heard about it so dont blame Thai People , blame the regime!
How could she not know about it? WWII is part of thai history. Thais sided with the Japanese, Japan sided with Germany (Hitler) Has she never heard of the infamous Thai/Burma Railway and the bridge over the River Kwai? We learnt in schools of the treatment afforded to allied prisoners of war at the hands of Thai and Japanese soldiers during the building of the Thai / Burma Railway from Bangkok through to burma
Marsteele, you live in TH and you ask such a stupid question ? Don't you know that not even 50% of the Thai people don't even know about their OWN history !? And 90-95% never heard about Hitler and don't know about WW II.... How i know ? Because i lived for almost 1 year in Kanchanaburi... even there most of the Thai people don't understand albout all those historical sites ! They see all those many farangs who come there EVERY day just like other tourists who go to Pattaya, Phuket, Chiang Mai, etc.... They have not any clue that most of these tourists go there to visit those historical places
And who is to blame for that ? No, not the Thai people but their government, try to keep the people dumb in so many ways !!!
And EUH...... one more thing.... "Thais sided with Japanese" ?????????????  
Posted 2009-10-20 13:06:56
Facism brews from extreme nationalism....beware the rise of extreme right wing political party in Thailand.......Out goes dirty money politics and so called democratic capitalism and in comes extreme nationalism and facism in Thailand. So thats why HITLER is up on the bill boards, makes you wonder isn't it ?
Posted 2009-10-20 13:08:16
Jingthing, on 2009-10-20 13:11:36, said: losworld, on 2009-10-20 12:06:31, said: harrycallahan, on 2009-10-20 11:44:56, said: Dumb decision, he's one of the most famous figures in history, good reason to have a wax carricature. It's unfortunate a few imbeciles can choose what the rest of us can and can't see. The museum just needs to ensure that his portayal is done in a tasteful manner, which the comment probably didn't do but that's an easy fix and doesn't require him removed.
It's odd that nazi sensitivity has grown with time rather than fallen, a sure sign people (you know who) are milking it.
I Can speak for europe THIS WELL never happend!!!! there are some people who need to read some historie!! about holocost!!! about milions of jude killed in the most unhumane way!!! children is being experimants for compleatly insane doctors!!! so read a copple of books!!!!!!!!!!!
Ridiculous thing is that you would likely have the same media uproar if this took place in the U.S. or Europe? What has happened to free speech. Let people make their own decisions. Have we no faith in humanity or we merely being being controlled through selective media.
Have you people failed to get this story??? It is NOT about the wax figure in the museum. It IS about the bad taste advertisement. The complaints were about the ad, NOT about the inclusion of the waxy Hitler at the museum. Of course an ad like that would never happen in the US; I can't speak for Europe.
People? What people. You know who? Are you afraid to be open about what you are saying?
Posted 2009-10-20 13:10:17
george, on 2009-10-20 06:04:00, said: A very smart marketing trick by the museum. They got all the world media coverage they wanted, for cheap.
of course it remains to be seen whether people will show up and pay after this controversy
i'm sure there will be some boycotting
Posted 2009-10-20 13:18:54
Thanh-BKK, on 2009-10-20 12:56:33, said: Hi.
I am German and had to suffer from the racism and neo-nazism in that country. It is one of the reasons i left Germany and vowed never to return again. However here in Thailand i am not the least bit offended by the Nazi-cult that shows at places - how often did i see motorbike riders wearing the "Wehrmacht" type helmet, complete with the swastika sticker (and the correct, Nazi, one - not the Hindu one!) or people wearing t-shirts with that same swastika and even the words "Sieg Heil" below it - they obviously have no clue at all what it means.
I once had a taxi driver ask me where i am from - they all do that, and usually after my "Germany" they come back with either "oh, Bundesliga!" or "oh, BMW!"..... but this guy came back with "oh, Germany... Adolf Hitler still your president? He good man!" I was kind of baffled.
And yesterday evening, when this story was on TV, my boyfriend (Thai) asked me seriously "why Jews complain about Hitler, did he do something bad..?" THEY REALLY DON'T KNOW IT!
But then - in Germany we didn't cover "Rama V" in History, either....... yet he (Rama V) didn't start a world war and killed millions in his home country at the same time, too.
Don't blame the Thais - blame their education system.
Kind regards.....
Thanh
Unfortunately you're right that the Nazi-cult also shows up in Thailand ! In my area there is a German pub where those guys are playing and singing nazi songs at night, of course when they are drunk.....
Posted 2009-10-20 13:20:24
marsteele, on 2009-10-20 07:16:52, said: How could she not know about it? WWII is part of thai history. Thais sided with the Japanese, Japan sided with Germany (Hitler) Has she never heard of the infamous Thai/Burma Railway and the bridge over the River Kwai? We learnt in schools of the treatment afforded to allied prisoners of war at the hands of Thai and Japanese soldiers during the building of the Thai / Burma Railway from Bangkok through to burma starcatcher, on 2009-10-20 07:22:11, said: Really? I think, you should blame your gf....
My wive (also Thai) knows very well about Hitler and Nazis - learned at school in Thailand 
Posted 2009-10-20 13:21:06
HOOD Robin, on 2009-10-20 07:04:41, said: marsteele, on 2009-10-20 12:16:52, said: crazyswede, on 2009-10-20 11:38:06, said: Nothing upsetīs me anymore when it comes to Thaiīs .. you just have to love them! 555
Little did i know about Thailand and Thai culture 10 years ago so how could they know about this .. told GF about Hitler , WWII etc. couple of years ago and she had never heard about it so dont blame Thai People , blame the regime!
How could she not know about it? WWII is part of thai history. Thais sided with the Japanese, Japan sided with Germany (Hitler) Has she never heard of the infamous Thai/Burma Railway and the bridge over the River Kwai? We learnt in schools of the treatment afforded to allied prisoners of war at the hands of Thai and Japanese soldiers during the building of the Thai / Burma Railway from Bangkok through to burma
Marsteele, you live in TH and you ask such a stupid question ? Don't you know that not even 50% of the Thai people don't even know about their OWN history !? And 90-95% never heard about Hitler and don't know about WW II.... How i know ? Because i lived for almost 1 year in Kanchanaburi... even there most of the Thai people don't understand albout all those historical sites ! They see all those many farangs who come there EVERY day just like other tourists who go to Pattaya, Phuket, Chiang Mai, etc.... They have not any clue that most of these tourists go there to visit those historical places
And who is to blame for that ? No, not the Thai people but their government, try to keep the people dumb in so many ways !!!
And EUH...... one more thing.... "Thais sided with Japanese" ?????????????
End of 1941 the Thai government entered a military alliance with the Japanese.
A war declaration was submitted by the Thai Ambassador in the UK in January 1942, the Thai Ambassador in the US refused to submit the same declaration in the US and tried/started to get a resistance movement up and running (Seri Thai) with the assistance of the US and later the UK.
In my opinion, split allegiances yes, but the government at the time in Thailand signed up with the Japanese. Whether the government in country supported the Japanese is debatable, since knowing what the Japanese could have done to the country at the time if there had been significant resistance, is not even worth considering.
Edited by Thai at Heart, 2009-10-20 13:21:44.
Posted 2009-10-20 13:22:04
HOOD Robin, on 2009-10-20 13:04:41, said: marsteele, on 2009-10-20 12:16:52, said: crazyswede, on 2009-10-20 11:38:06, said: Nothing upsetīs me anymore when it comes to Thaiīs .. you just have to love them! 555
Little did i know about Thailand and Thai culture 10 years ago so how could they know about this .. told GF about Hitler , WWII etc. couple of years ago and she had never heard about it so dont blame Thai People , blame the regime!
How could she not know about it? WWII is part of thai history. Thais sided with the Japanese, Japan sided with Germany (Hitler) Has she never heard of the infamous Thai/Burma Railway and the bridge over the River Kwai? We learnt in schools of the treatment afforded to allied prisoners of war at the hands of Thai and Japanese soldiers during the building of the Thai / Burma Railway from Bangkok through to burma
Oh and that is taken from a Thai history book
Marsteele, you live in TH and you ask such a stupid question ? Don't you know that not even 50% of the Thai people don't even know about their OWN history !? And 90-95% never heard about Hitler and don't know about WW II.... How i know ? Because i lived for almost 1 year in Kanchanaburi... even there most of the Thai people don't understand albout all those historical sites ! They see all those many farangs who come there EVERY day just like other tourists who go to Pattaya, Phuket, Chiang Mai, etc.... They have not any clue that most of these tourists go there to visit those historical places
And who is to blame for that ? No, not the Thai people but their government, try to keep the people dumb in so many ways !!!
And EUH...... one more thing.... "Thais sided with Japanese" ?????????????
Yes Thais sided with the japanese..... a little clip from the history books
When war came, a hesitant Phibun was forced to order a general ceasefire and to allow the Japanese army to pass through the country. However, hesitancy gave way to enthusiasm when the Japanese blitzkrieged their way through Malaya. On December 12, 1941 a military alliance with Japan was concluded. A month later, on January 25, 1942, Thailand declared war on the United States and Great Britain. Those who opposed such a decision was forced from government; Pridi was appointed regent for the absent King Ananda Mahidol, while Direk became, ironically, ambassador to Japan.
Edited by marsteele, 2009-10-20 13:40:37.
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Posted 2009-10-20 13:24:02
dudemeister, on 2009-10-20 12:01:06, said:  hitler.PNG
Not dead?
But I see somebody has taken a baseball bat to his fingers.
Thats a start.
Great pic of the billboard and Hitler, why not replace it with G. W. Bush or E. Olmert???
Posted 2009-10-20 13:24:04
george, on 2009-10-20 13:04:00, said: A very smart marketing trick by the museum. They got all the world media coverage they wanted, for cheap.
I agree about the result but we can't really know if it was by design. In any case, there won't be any boycotts, they have a plausible excuse, the perception that Thais don't know from Nazis. In any case, compared to the balloon/attic boy family in America, they are bloody geniuses!
Edited by Jingthing, 2009-10-20 13:28:28.
Posted 2009-10-20 13:40:31
Jingthing, on 2009-10-20 12:58:36, said: Quote Don't blame the Thais - blame their education system.
Interesting. Is there some other nationality in charge of the Thai education system?
QUOTE OF THE WEEK.  
Posted 2009-10-20 13:40:54
Here you go "Somporn" the perfect replacement for you:
Posted 2009-10-20 13:45:49
Jingthing, on 2009-10-20 12:58:36, said: Quote Don't blame the Thais - blame their education system.
Interesting. Is there some other nationality in charge of the Thai education system?
No-one is in charge, as it seems.
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