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Posted 2009-12-17 17:12:34
 prefabs, on 2009-12-17 13:43:18, said:
[...Benchmark, when looking at your website, I see that your company has been "Nominated for the "Best Thailand Agent" at the Thailand Property Awards 2009.
When can we expect to see the winners announced and who actually nominated your company for such a prestigious award? And who actually holds the Thailand Property Awards ceremony?
Hi, if you don't mind can you tell me whether you are a property agent, an invester, a potential property buyer or just an interested TV member?
Answers to all your questions are at Link
Posted 2009-12-17 18:48:20
benchmark, on 2009-12-17 19:12:34, said: Hi, if you don't mind can you tell me whether you are a property agent, an invester, a potential property buyer or just an interested TV member?
Answers to all your questions are at Link
Happy to oblige. Anyone who owns property is, I suppose, a potential investor so I suppose I fall into that category. I am about to build again. Interested TV member is probably about right. One who is completey bedazzled by the absolute rubbish which is routinely spouted out by members of your unregulated, wannabee professional and shady industry. An industry which supplies it's own professional standards(minimal) and answers to them not a lot. An industry where agents and management fail to reach the exceedingly low standards they set themselves. Might be a generalisation, and I will agree that there are some who try, but look back at TV and see for yourselves.
But I digress!! You deigned not answer my question. Who nominated your company for the Thailand Property Awards? Thanks for the link, but I didn't see your name in there. The nomination process is very simple, see below
Nomination
To enter the 2009 Thailand Property Awards you must be nominated – a company cannot nominate themselves or be nominated by a member of company personnel. No nominations are sought for Real Estate Personality of the Year award – this award is decided by and presented by the publishers of Property Report magazines.
Nominations will be sought from all sectors of the Thailand real estate industry – developers, agents, architects, interior designers, construction companies, suppliers etc., and the public. No points are awarded in the nomination process. Being nominated for an award to which the company is eligible ensures entry into the next stage.
All nominations must be submitted to the organisers. Once nominations have closed, all information will be submitted to BDO Richfield for their double-checking against the eligibility criteria and the above rules of nomination.
The final confirmed list of nominations in each category may be published by the organisers.
There is no nomination fee.
Posted 2009-12-17 20:04:58
Quote But I digress!! You deigned not answer my question. Who nominated your company for the Thailand Property Awards? Thanks for the link, but I didn't see your name in there.
What is your real concern and what is your real identity? I have a open profile but you don't. I am ready to talk with you if you come out of the mask.
Posted 2009-12-17 20:10:43
"Anyone who owns property is, I suppose, a potential investor so I suppose I fall into that category"
Ask someone who knows real estate whether anyone who owns a property is a potential investor? You got it all wrong mate. In my opinion you just want to waste other people's time.
And remember I will not answer any of your silly questions. I think you fall in to the category of "Real Estate for Dummies".
Posted 2009-12-17 20:25:47
trogers, on 2009-12-15 10:33:22, said: Pakboong, on 2009-12-15 10:15:30, said: Keeping it real to me is simply recognizing that the world-wide bubble of the last decade is not likely to occur again in most of our lifetimes. It will likely be a buyer's market for quite some time. To suggest otherwise is not being optimistic, it is IMO being foolish. The experienced may still do okay in this next market but those like myself who know little about the buying/ selling process, may well be better off renting. I have, in the past made money in real estate, only because of the market forces, not my own expertise. I bought when I arrived and sold when I departed. Nothing magical about it. I knew little and got away with it.
This song is sang after every burst bubble since the early '80s. And still another bubble is just over the horizon. Human greed knows no bound.
I personally think Pattaya's peak potential is yet to come. Given the right political climate and indications of global economic recovery there are tons of Western buyers who want a piece of this paradise. I think we have passed the worst time of the global recession so it won't be that long for things to turn around in this market. Condo market for example is showing early recovery signs now.
"Be greedy when others are fearful" , happy home hunting.............
Posted 2009-12-18 02:31:53
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Posted 2009-12-18 07:36:00
tch tch, changing the subject just when it was getting interesting.
"Real Estate for Dummies" Isn't that the book which teaches estate agents that all the target audience are dummies. I say that because proper investors would not come anywhere near the average Pattaya Estate Agent. So, you lot target the elderly and the holidaymaker crowd, because there is less hassle.
I asked a simple question about who nominated you for an award at the Thailand Property Awards. You chose not to answer, indeed you refused in bold type, but then you tried to insult me instead in 2 separate threads? Bit much, isn't it? I may indeed be a time waster, but just for the crime of questioning your integrity? Having been in the sales game I am well aware of the term "time waster" given to anyone who listens to the sales pitch and does not go through with the purchase.
Getting back to my original question. I looked in the link you provided and could not find your name mentioned. Therfore, once again, I ask for the sake of your honesty and integrity, "Who nominated you for the award?" As the award ceremony is a closed shop deal, surely someone had to do it. Or did they?
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Please give me your name, phone number and address. I am happy to talk with you. It seems like you have a personal concern with something, although it does not makes sense. I have already answered your question regarding nomination.
Edited by benchmark, 2009-12-18 07:40:36.
Posted 2009-12-18 07:54:17
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Posted 2009-12-18 08:06:01
eljeque, on 2009-10-28 18:22:08, said: Benchmark website
http://www.benchmark...hy_buy_off.html
Why buy off plan
Buying off plan is the best investment strategy available in the current real estate market in Pattaya, Thailand. When you buy a property off plan your investment will be minimum because you will be required to make installment payments during the construction of the new development. It is also possible to sell the purchase contract to a potential buyer during the construction of the new project, with a considerable amount of profit. On the other hand you will get the lowest selling price when you buy off plan during pre-construction period because the prices will be increased accordingly until the construction is completed. We can suggest you the best and most reputed projects to invest your money off plan. We also can recommend you which units you need buy and the limit of the investment. Another popular investment method is to buy a condo unit off plan as a bare shell unit and decorate and furnish the unit up to a very high standard and sell it to an end user with a decent profit. Please consult us to get all information on latest off plan projects available for sale. Buy off plan and be a winner.
Are you kidding? Buying off the plan - particularly in Pattaya - in Thailand is an extremely risky exercise. Ask the purchasers of Ocean One if they feel like winners. In a country like Thailand, where there is minimal legal protection for such buyers, a developer's track record is everything, and even then it is certainly no guarantee that you will get what you pay for. Personally, I would never buy off the plan.
Posted 2009-12-18 08:19:54
Sabre, on 2009-12-18 08:06:01, said: eljeque, on 2009-10-28 18:22:08, said: Benchmark website
http://www.benchmark...hy_buy_off.html
Why buy off plan
Buying off plan is the best investment strategy available in the current real estate market in Pattaya, Thailand. When you buy a property off plan your investment will be minimum because you will be required to make installment payments during the construction of the new development. It is also possible to sell the purchase contract to a potential buyer during the construction of the new project, with a considerable amount of profit. On the other hand you will get the lowest selling price when you buy off plan during pre-construction period because the prices will be increased accordingly until the construction is completed. We can suggest you the best and most reputed projects to invest your money off plan. We also can recommend you which units you need buy and the limit of the investment. Another popular investment method is to buy a condo unit off plan as a bare shell unit and decorate and furnish the unit up to a very high standard and sell it to an end user with a decent profit. Please consult us to get all information on latest off plan projects available for sale. Buy off plan and be a winner.
Are you kidding? Buying off the plan - particularly in Pattaya - in Thailand is an extremely risky exercise. Ask the purchasers of Ocean One if they feel like winners. In a country like Thailand, where there is minimal legal protection for such buyers, a developer's track record is everything, and even then it is certainly no guarantee that you will get what you pay for. Personally, I would never buy off the plan.
Well there are pros and cons in buying off the plan but if you buy from a developer with a proven track record there are clear benefits such as
1. Choice of best located units
2. Best and lowest price
3. Ability to negotiate payment terms and no need to invest the full sales amount at once
There are many investors and also private buyers who are buying off the plan. Most of them are investors. I certainly agree that there is a risk involved when you are buying off the plan but for an investor to make a profit this is the best possible way. Seasoned investors know that there is a certain amount of risk involved in this buying strategy. But for example all View Talay building are sold out before even piling starts to mostly investors.
There are couple of developers in Pattaya who got a proven track record. By doing the due diligence you can also minimize the risks.
Well under the current economic climate most private buyers would like to buy in a finished project. But that does not mean that the investors will stop buying off the plan.
Posted 2009-12-18 10:08:41
benchmark, on 2009-12-17 20:25:47, said: trogers, on 2009-12-15 10:33:22, said: Pakboong, on 2009-12-15 10:15:30, said: Keeping it real to me is simply recognizing that the world-wide bubble of the last decade is not likely to occur again in most of our lifetimes. It will likely be a buyer's market for quite some time. To suggest otherwise is not being optimistic, it is IMO being foolish. The experienced may still do okay in this next market but those like myself who know little about the buying/ selling process, may well be better off renting. I have, in the past made money in real estate, only because of the market forces, not my own expertise. I bought when I arrived and sold when I departed. Nothing magical about it. I knew little and got away with it.
This song is sang after every burst bubble since the early '80s. And still another bubble is just over the horizon. Human greed knows no bound.
I personally think Pattaya's peak potential is yet to come. Given the right political climate and indications of global economic recovery there are tons of Western buyers who want a piece of this paradise. I think we have passed the worst time of the global recession so it won't be that long for things to turn around in this market. Condo market for example is showing early recovery signs now.
"Be greedy when others are fearful" , happy home hunting.............
You very well could be correct but in my view, this was no ordinary bubble and the bottom is IMO artificially delayed. There are no sales happening in the the west that feed the real estate market here. Nobody is borrowing and nobody is loaning in the numbers that could again support such an unusual bubble. I would be shocked if we do not see another big drop in home prices in the coming year. I am looking for an agent who sees this and is prepared for the events that follow. There is no advantage to trying to buy a house using an agent who is overly optimistic about the market in general.
Posted 2009-12-18 12:54:30
Pakboong, on 2009-12-18 12:08:41, said: benchmark, on 2009-12-17 20:25:47, said: trogers, on 2009-12-15 10:33:22, said: Pakboong, on 2009-12-15 10:15:30, said: Keeping it real to me is simply recognizing that the world-wide bubble of the last decade is not likely to occur again in most of our lifetimes. It will likely be a buyer's market for quite some time. To suggest otherwise is not being optimistic, it is IMO being foolish. The experienced may still do okay in this next market but those like myself who know little about the buying/ selling process, may well be better off renting. I have, in the past made money in real estate, only because of the market forces, not my own expertise. I bought when I arrived and sold when I departed. Nothing magical about it. I knew little and got away with it.
This song is sang after every burst bubble since the early '80s. And still another bubble is just over the horizon. Human greed knows no bound.
I personally think Pattaya's peak potential is yet to come. Given the right political climate and indications of global economic recovery there are tons of Western buyers who want a piece of this paradise. I think we have passed the worst time of the global recession so it won't be that long for things to turn around in this market. Condo market for example is showing early recovery signs now.
"Be greedy when others are fearful" , happy home hunting.............
You very well could be correct but in my view, this was no ordinary bubble and the bottom is IMO artificially delayed. There are no sales happening in the the west that feed the real estate market here. Nobody is borrowing and nobody is loaning in the numbers that could again support such an unusual bubble. I would be shocked if we do not see another big drop in home prices in the coming year. I am looking for an agent who sees this and is prepared for the events that follow. There is no advantage to trying to buy a house using an agent who is overly optimistic about the market in general.
Then Benchmark is obviously not your man. I have somehow been blocked from answering his posts, but he still will not tell us who nominated him and his company for an award at the Thailand Property Awards. Then he says he answered my question, but he did not. Like most of his fraternity, he bends the truth, is mega optimistic with other people's money.
One thing for sure, I used to live in a nice area of Pattaya. There were 2 estate agents in the same street. ALL of us were renting and they had varioous reasons like "not the right time", "still looking", etc. At a prty, one of their gfs then let it slip that her man had said he would never buy property in Thailand. When I quizzed him, he went into a right huff and went home
Posted 2009-12-18 15:41:23
Then Benchmark is obviously not your man. I have somehow been blocked from answering his posts, but he still will not tell us who nominated him and his company for an award at the Thailand Property Awards. Then he says he answered my question, but he did not. Like most of his fraternity, he bends the truth, is mega optimistic with other people's money.
One thing for sure, I used to live in a nice area of Pattaya. There were 2 estate agents in the same street. ALL of us were renting and they had varioous reasons like "not the right time", "still looking", etc. At a prty, one of their gfs then let it slip that her man had said he would never buy property in Thailand. When I quizzed him, he went into a right huff and went home
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For no particular reason, I too am curious about his not answering a seemingly simple question,
Posted 2009-12-18 19:07:17
Pakboong, on 2009-12-18 15:41:23, said: Then Benchmark is obviously not your man. I have somehow been blocked from answering his posts, but he still will not tell us who nominated him and his company for an award at the Thailand Property Awards. Then he says he answered my question, but he did not. Like most of his fraternity, he bends the truth, is mega optimistic with other people's money.
One thing for sure, I used to live in a nice area of Pattaya. There were 2 estate agents in the same street. ALL of us were renting and they had varioous reasons like "not the right time", "still looking", etc. At a prty, one of their gfs then let it slip that her man had said he would never buy property in Thailand. When I quizzed him, he went into a right huff and went home
All of you are iidiots................
Posted 2009-12-18 19:08:36
Then Benchmark is obviously not your man. I have somehow been blocked from answering his posts, but he still will not tell us who nominated him and his company for an award at the Thailand Property Awards. Then he says he answered my question, but he did not. Like most of his fraternity, he bends the truth, is mega optimistic with other people's money.
One thing for sure, I used to live in a nice area of Pattaya. There were 2 estate agents in the same street. ALL of us were renting and they had varioous reasons like "not the right time", "still looking", etc. At a prty, one of their gfs then let it slip that her man had said he would never buy property in Thailand. When I quizzed him, he went into a right huff and went home
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You are a super idiot.........
Posted 2009-12-18 19:16:31
One thing for sure, I used to live in a nice area of Pattaya. There were 2 estate agents in the same street. ALL of us were renting and they had varioous reasons like "not the right time", "still looking", etc. At a prty, one of their gfs then let it slip that her man had said he would never buy property in Thailand. When I quizzed him, he went into a right huff and went home
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Or may be all you guys are superheros and all we brokers are just ignorant and stupid idiots
Posted 2009-12-18 19:38:29
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