Posted 2009-11-01 07:55:43
Ten senior cops moved to inactive
By The Nation on Sunday
Published on November 1, 2009
Ten senior policemen, including a major-general in a metropolitan precinct, were yesterday transferred to inactive posts after a raid on Friday by an anti-vice task force on a gambling den which has long operated in their jurisdiction.
Pol Maj-General Witthaya Rattanawit, chief of Metropolitan Police Division 6, is the most senior of the 10 officers, which include six officers with Phlubphlachai 2 police station.
They have been assigned to job desks at the Metropolitan Police Bureau for 30 days, pending investigation and disciplinary action.
A 100-strong police raid - supported by commandos - on a shophouse netted 246 gamblers and Bt500,000 in cash. The shophouse, located in Soi Texas off Phadungdao Road in Bangkok's Yaowarat area, has reportedly operated for a long time as a card-game den known as Den 369.
The task force also conducted a raid on a den offering online football betting in Bangkok's Huai Khwang district last Saturday, resulting in six senior station officers being transferred and facing a similar fate to those transferred yesterday.
-- The Nation 2009/11/01
Posted 2009-11-01 08:06:55
What do "inactive post" and "desk job" mean, practically speaking? Will they be given actual work to do, and will they be expected to be productive? Are there any consequences if they are not productive? I'm not so naive as to think that this is a real punishment. I just don't know specifically what these desk jobs consist of.
Posted 2009-11-01 08:10:52
You ask a good question. I don't know that productivity, in the general sense of the word, is taken into account in the police force at any time.
It is a little hard to measure the productivity of services such as the police. This is especially true when it comes to crime prevention.
Posted 2009-11-01 08:11:28
In western countries, these guys go to prison.
In China, they're shot.
In Thailand you get a cushy, no-work post, and the salary keeps rolling in.
No wonder corruption thrives here. 
Posted 2009-11-01 08:15:29
 oevna, on 2009-11-01 08:06:55, said:
What do "inactive post" and "desk job" mean, practically speaking? Will they be given actual work to do, and will they be expected to be productive? Are there any consequences if they are not productive? I'm not so naive as to think that this is a real punishment. I just don't know specifically what these desk jobs consist of.
Walk into a typical government office. The ladies are primping in their pocket mirrors. The guys are playing solitaire on their PC's. The rest are glued to the Thai soaps and talk shows on the blaring TV. The desks are piled chin-high with work that never seems to get done (as a result, it takes three weeks to process a normal 10-minute request form).
Something like that.
Posted 2009-11-01 08:18:08
As I understand it, a inactive post means
a) you lose the chance to make money on your percentage of fines (legal)
B ) you lose the chance to make significant money by taking money off suspects to drop charges, investigate crimes etc. (illegal)
c) your career goes on hold slowing down your next promotion.
It's all about the patron-client relationship. Once your patron loses his power, all his clients are then sidelined.
Posted 2009-11-01 08:35:05
Yes , but they still draw their salaries , which achieves exactly what ????????
Posted 2009-11-01 08:43:03
It means they are suspended from active duty outside. Now they are inactive penpushers for 30 days whilst under investigation, With possible disciplinary action at a later date.
Not much different to the uk, Except in the uk an officer would get to sit at home on full pay whilst on suspension.
Edited by cyb, 2009-11-01 08:45:09.
Posted 2009-11-01 09:10:43
dumball, on 2009-11-01 08:35:05, said: Yes , but they still draw their salaries , which achieves exactly what ????????
They only get their salary which hopefully not much compare to all of the other extortions moneys. Most importantly I hope they lose face which probably is very important to them in their culture. GOOD punishment
Posted 2009-11-01 09:34:14
givenall, on 2009-11-01 03:10:43, said: dumball, on 2009-11-01 08:35:05, said: Yes , but they still draw their salaries , which achieves exactly what ????????
They only get their salary which hopefully not much compare to all of the other extortions moneys. Most importantly I hope they lose face which probably is very important to them in their culture. GOOD punishment
I wonder if there is a network of patron/client within those on "inactive" duty. There are that many of them. Facebook group of inactive policemen?
How do they introduce themselves? I am Inactive Pol. Capt. Major-General Somchai.
Do they get to wear the uniform whilst actively not performing their duty?Do they lose their profusion of service badges? In which case, are they the cops sitting on Sukhumvit fining people for dropping fags.
Why necessarily do they not get to profit from the extortion money? Would you want a potential tell tale sitting in the corner of the office ruminating about his lost profits?
What is the attitude of "active" officers towards them? I would imagine they are a little pitied.
Since they are inactive, wouldn't that give them more time to pursue other nefarious activity? Full time devotion to extortion as opposed to part time?
Would an active policeman turn down money sourced by an inactive policeman? Doubt it.
Posted 2009-11-01 10:37:55
Yeah, they do get to draw their full salaries. So they might even be able to pay their electric bills. But not much else. Sittin' by the window is not pleasant for these buffoons.
Posted 2009-11-01 11:33:24
cyb, on 2009-11-01 08:43:03, said: It means they are suspended from active duty outside.
You mean they are no longer allowed to plod the streets, run after criminals and case various joints of iniquity? Sounds like the crime rate is going to spike until they are back on the beat.
Posted 2009-11-01 11:59:10
dumball, on 2009-11-01 08:35:05, said: Yes , but they still draw their salaries , which achieves exactly what ????????
Well, their salaries are only a small fraction of what they can rip off in their normal post. It can also take them out of the regular promotion flow, although that's never certain. If they have the right connections... In this case they are only being moved for 30 days "pending investigation," which means it won't even be noted on their records.
Posted 2009-11-01 12:12:45
dumball, on 2009-11-01 09:35:05, said: Yes , but they still draw their salaries , which achieves exactly what ???????? BanTamo, on 2009-11-01 11:37:55, said: Yeah, they do get to draw their full salaries. So they might even be able to pay their electric bills. But not much else. Sittin' by the window is not pleasant for these buffoons.
If they sit there long enough on just their salary, they may get their Merc repossessed, their mia nio may look for greener pastures, their wife may decide she knows about the mia noi and get a divorce to take the house.
It is a huge disaster for any aspiring officer.
Posted 2009-11-01 12:34:20
It is a big loss of face no matter what the desk job entails, and for a Thai thats a pretty big deal.
Posted 2009-11-01 12:34:50
oevna, on 2009-11-01 08:06:55, said: What do "inactive post" and "desk job" mean, practically speaking? Will they be given actual work to do, and will they be expected to be productive? Are there any consequences if they are not productive? I'm not so naive as to think that this is a real punishment. I just don't know specifically what these desk jobs consist of.
Oh yeah, it is a real punishment,
because it effectively takes them out of the Upstream Tea Money Chain.
No subordinates, thus no percentage going to the boss.
A BIG hit for their retirement fund for sure.
Certainly a few entrenched and indebted underlings still keep
the patronage up, just in case of an eminent return, or just indenturedness,
but not like being head pubah in the generals working chair.
This raid and the changing of seating is not unexpected; a new broom sweeps clean,
and sweeping up opposing patronage and looking pro-active certainly makes it easier
making the top chair permanent.
Edited by animatic, 2009-11-01 12:53:17.
Posted 2009-11-01 13:26:22
I think they are just saying - they are moving them to inactive posts for the time being - while they are being investigated. inactive posts where they can do no harm or anything.
"They have been assigned to job desks at the Metropolitan Police Bureau for 30 days, pending investigation and disciplinary action."
they need to build a case against them yet.
Posted 2009-11-01 14:03:50
quote: 'webfact' date='2009-11-01'
Ten senior cops moved to inactive
By The Nation on Sunday
Published on November 1, 2009
Ten senior policemen, including a major-general in a metropolitan precinct, were yesterday transferred to inactive posts after a raid on Friday by an anti-vice task force on a gambling den which has long operated in their jurisdiction.
Pol Maj-General Witthaya Rattanawit, chief of Metropolitan Police Division 6, is the most senior of the 10 officers
unquote
A "crackdown" on "senior cops" seems to be in effect, which is a good thing, given their propensity for shady stuff.
Just a few days ago, there were two very senior cops who didn't get moved to inactive posts, but were instead, outright fired from the police force...albeit for cases involving wanton violence and not for running a gambling den.
petaling, on 2009-10-30 09:43:41, said: webfact, on 2009-09-07 16:19:15, said: OCTOBER 7 CRACKDOWN
Somchai, Chavalit and Patcharawat to face criminal charges
By The Nation
National anti-graft commission will file criminal charges against ex-Premier Somchai Wongsawat, ex-deputy PM Gen Chavalit Yongchaiyudh and Police Chief Pol Gen Patcharawat Wongsuwan for their involvement in the October 7 crackdown on yellow shirted protesters.
The NACC also decided to seek both criminal and disciplinary actions against then Metropolitan police chief Pol Lt Gen Suchart Meunkaew.
Police Lt-Gen Suchart Muankaew was fired from the police force yesterday. Police Chief Patchawat was fired from his position in the police force as well earlier.
So now we await the disciplinary/criminal action against the others involved, namely ex-PM Somchai and ex-Deputy PM Chavalit.
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=3107279
petaling, on 2009-10-30 10:32:10, said: Quote Authorities face disciplinary probe over Udon Thani clashes
The Police Chief, the provincial Governor, and three senior officers from Udon Thani face a disciplinary probe after the National Anti-Corruption Commission said in a report Wednesday that it suspected foul play in the clash between red and yellow shirts last July.
The NACC has found cause to suspect serious violations involving provincial Police Chief Major-General Permsak Paradonsak, NACC member Klanarong Chantik said.
Police Major-General Permsak Paradonsak was fired from the police force yesterday for his involvement in this mayhem.
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=3107369
Edited by petaling, 2009-11-01 14:05:49.
Posted 2009-11-01 16:00:06
This is Thailand's "Redistribution of Wealth Plan."
More developed countries use taxes etc....
Posted 2009-11-01 16:12:01
Here is some secret information for the MIB,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Has been there for a long time, when are the special task forces coming? Ohhh all involved have got their shares, so nobody reports it, sorry!
Corruption at its best.
edited due to safety, hahahaaha
Edited by Master Chief, 2009-11-01 16:14:15.
Posted 2009-11-02 03:12:21
Maybe they were taking trade away from some other top cop's operation?
I suspect that the rules for BiB are much the same as those that obtain in the City of London. Do not get caught in the act - or everybody will disappear and deny even knowing you.
Posted 2009-11-02 07:54:29
toptuan, on 2009-11-01 08:11:28, said: In western countries, these guys go to prison.
In China, they're shot.
In Thailand you get a cushy, no-work post, and the salary keeps rolling in.
No wonder corruption thrives here.
Thank you. And perhaps that is why LOS stands for Lack of Sanctions or Land of Scams.
Posted 2009-11-02 08:06:13
Tyke, on 2009-11-01 11:33:24, said: cyb, on 2009-11-01 08:43:03, said: It means they are suspended from active duty outside.
You mean they are no longer allowed to plod the streets, run after criminals and case various joints of iniquity? Sounds like the crime rate is going to spike until they are back on the beat.
If you believe everything you read about the Thai police would not the unreported crime rate decrease? But many more to take their place. 
Posted 2009-11-02 09:20:06
Scott, on 2009-11-01 08:10:52, said: You ask a good question. I don't know that productivity, in the general sense of the word, is taken into account in the police force at any time.
It is a little hard to measure the productivity of services such as the police. This is especially true when it comes to crime prevention.
A desk job means that they wont be out on the street fleecing small businesses therefore the punishment is in the fact they wont be lining their pockets.
Posted 2009-11-02 09:22:44
Roachiebkk, on 2009-11-02 09:20:06, said: Scott, on 2009-11-01 08:10:52, said: You ask a good question. I don't know that productivity, in the general sense of the word, is taken into account in the police force at any time.
It is a little hard to measure the productivity of services such as the police. This is especially true when it comes to crime prevention.
A desk job means that they wont be out on the street fleecing small businesses therefore the punishment is in the fact they wont be lining their pockets.
More to the point they lose face, That means in some respects more to thai people than money.
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