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Posted 2009-11-03 17:33:35
 rabcbroon, on 2009-11-03 17:24:10, said:
Scubabuddha, on 2009-11-03 17:16:32, said: rabcbroon, on 2009-11-03 16:26:12, said: Its a no brainer really: if you trust those nice people in government then take their advice and take the shot - you deserve it!
If everyone did what you prescribe, there are going to be a lot more dead people.
and what do i prescribe - pray tell?
Umm..you prescribe people don't take the shot? I gathered that from the "nice people" and "you deserve it" bits. Am I incorrect? Or is my sarcasm meter off?
And actually, I agree with you. If we do end up having a serious pandemic, and all the smart people have gotten the vaccinations, then it will be all the stupid people, all the Glen Beck's, Sean Hannity's and Rush Linbaughs of the world that won't have a proverbial chair to sit in when the music stops. So that's one bonus.
Edited by Scubabuddha, 2009-11-03 17:34:10.
Posted 2009-11-03 17:37:23
Scubabuddha, on 2009-11-03 17:33:35, said: rabcbroon, on 2009-11-03 17:24:10, said: Scubabuddha, on 2009-11-03 17:16:32, said: rabcbroon, on 2009-11-03 16:26:12, said: Its a no brainer really: if you trust those nice people in government then take their advice and take the shot - you deserve it!
If everyone did what you prescribe, there are going to be a lot more dead people.
and what do i prescribe - pray tell?
Umm..you prescribe people don't take the shot? I gathered that from the "nice people" and "you deserve it" bits. Am I incorrect? Or is my sarcasm meter off?
And actually, I agree with you. If we do end up having a serious pandemic, and all the smart people have gotten the vaccinations, then it will be all the stupid people, all the Glen Beck's, Sean Hannity's and Rush Linbaughs of the world that won't have a proverbial chair to sit in when the music stops. So that's one bonus.
Your being sarcastic (obviously) when you say 'all the smart people' - or is my meter playing up
#53
mythBuster
Posted 2009-11-03 17:41:29
webfact, on 2009-11-03 13:15:34, said: Anti-flu drug ready for new round of A(H1N1) flu
BANGKOK, Nov 3 (TNA) – Thailand's Government Pharmaceutical Organisation (GPO) and hospitals nationwide have stockpiled some 35 million capsules of the anti-flu drug 'Oseltamivir' for a possible second round of A(H1N1) virus outbreak, said Dr Vithit Attavijjakul, GPO director.
Dr Vithit said that about 35 million capsules of the anti-viral drug are available at Thailand's upcountry hospitals as well as the GPO office, aiming to handle the new wave of the A(H1N1) pandemic in an approaching cool season.
Meanwhile, the raw materials are available to produce a new lot of additional medication of 40 million capsules.
Regarding the children's formula of the anti-flu drug Oseltamivir, Dr Vithit said that the 30,000 to 40,000 capsules could be distributed immediately in all areas if needed.
The GPO is ready to produce more anti-flu drugs for children.
In addition, the GPO has stored lots of hand wash gel and sanitary masks to prevent the upcoming wave of Influenza Type A (H1N1) spread.
The GPO contacted local producers to make cloth sanitary masks to supply the GPO as they can be reused and help save costs.
Some European countries like Germany, Spain and France have expressed interest in GPO-produced hand gel, so the organisation plans to register its hand gel formula with the food and drug administrations in those countries.
After it is registered, Thailand expects to receive orders from overseas and build confidence in the country's production's standard. (TNA)
-- TNA 2009/11/03
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Posted 2009-11-03 17:46:32
rabcbroon, on 2009-11-03 17:37:23, said: Scubabuddha, on 2009-11-03 17:33:35, said: rabcbroon, on 2009-11-03 17:24:10, said: Scubabuddha, on 2009-11-03 17:16:32, said:
If everyone did what you prescribe, there are going to be a lot more dead people.
and what do i prescribe - pray tell?
Umm..you prescribe people don't take the shot? I gathered that from the "nice people" and "you deserve it" bits. Am I incorrect? Or is my sarcasm meter off?
And actually, I agree with you. If we do end up having a serious pandemic, and all the smart people have gotten the vaccinations, then it will be all the stupid people, all the Glen Beck's, Sean Hannity's and Rush Linbaughs of the world that won't have a proverbial chair to sit in when the music stops. So that's one bonus.
Your being sarcastic (obviously) when you say 'all the smart people' - or is my meter playing up
touche' lol
#55
mythBuster
Posted 2009-11-03 17:47:20
The bottom line is that it would have been much better not to go for personal glory and not to publicize this figures. Each and every medical doctor would tell you that these numbers are absolutely inadequate to quell a outbreak. However, given the fact that mister Sanan is in charge of everything that has to do with pandemics and given the fact that he does not have a medical background, the government is opting for a public relation campaign without even realizing that the numbers are terribly inadequate for even a medium sized province let alone for the country as a whole.
Posted 2009-11-03 18:08:11
mythBuster, on 2009-11-03 17:47:20, said: The bottom line is that it would have been much better not to go for personal glory and not to publicize this figures. Each and every medical doctor would tell you that these numbers are absolutely inadequate to quell a outbreak. However, given the fact that mister Sanan is in charge of everything that has to do with pandemics and given the fact that he does not have a medical background, the government is opting for a public relation campaign without even realizing that the numbers are terribly inadequate for even a medium sized province let alone for the country as a whole.
We can do the math. They have 35 million "capsules". The usual adult dosage is 2 capsules for 5 days = 10 capsules per patient. 1 a day for kids and those with kidney problems. Only enough for 3.5 million adults or 7 million children. It's not like everyone is going to be getting sick and needing these (lets hope) but I think your right. Not enough. Better with the additional 40 million.
Posted 2009-11-03 18:22:03
Scubabuddha, on 2009-11-03 14:30:19, said: I'll let you do your own homework. 1) The common flu is serious. and 2) When it first started in Mexico and the US swine flu was killing healthy people in their prime, unusual for an influenza. Everything we see here (all the press releases from various government and the WHO) are just cautionary and preventative. As every flu does, it will continue to mutate, combine with other flues. There is a very good possibility it could become more dangerous again.
THANKS DOC+virus Exp(A)ert Scubabuddha, maybe you should do the homework. There is no prove yet that the virus will mutate.
There were just TWO cases of people in germany which died, both are not 100% proved to be swineflu victims.
BTW, until today, NOBODY knows how "the shot" affects pregnant women, the pharmaceutical industry dont state that on the adverse effects page nor is the so called necessary medicine proved yet.
All in all a phantastic big deal for the Pharma Industry, but seems that to scare people helps a lot 
WHATS NEXT?
bird flu
SARS
swine flu
chang flu?
Posted 2009-11-03 18:41:44
Naa bua. Bua.,, 
Posted 2009-11-03 19:23:01
Scubabuddha, on 2009-11-03 15:16:03, said: petersy, on 2009-11-03 14:35:47, said: It's difficult to decide which is worse - Swine Flu, or the vaccine (which contains a mercury based preservative).
Ugg. A) This article has nothing to do with vaccines. B ) People have been taking these mercury based vaccines for decades with not one single shred of evidence they are harmful.
Get a grip people.
Scubabuddha you need to stay underwater where you have been 'for decades'. 
Posted 2009-11-03 19:57:26
coconutmonkey, on 2009-11-03 19:23:01, said: Scubabuddha, on 2009-11-03 15:16:03, said: petersy, on 2009-11-03 14:35:47, said: It's difficult to decide which is worse - Swine Flu, or the vaccine (which contains a mercury based preservative).
Ugg. A) This article has nothing to do with vaccines. B ) People have been taking these mercury based vaccines for decades with not one single shred of evidence they are harmful.
Get a grip people.
Scubabuddha you need to stay underwater where you have been 'for decades'.
Would you care to make a point which you would like to debate? Or you got nothing? Thought so.
Posted 2009-11-03 20:25:13
webfact, on 2009-11-03 13:15:34, said: Anti-flu drug ready for new round of A(H1N1) flu
BANGKOK, Nov 3 (TNA) – Thailand's Government Pharmaceutical Organisation (GPO) and hospitals nationwide have stockpiled some 35 million capsules of the anti-flu drug 'Oseltamivir' for a possible second round of A(H1N1) virus outbreak, said Dr Vithit Attavijjakul, GPO director.
Dr Vithit said that about 35 million capsules of the anti-viral drug are available at Thailand's upcountry hospitals as well as the GPO office, aiming to handle the new wave of the A(H1N1) pandemic in an approaching cool season.
Meanwhile, the raw materials are available to produce a new lot of additional medication of 40 million capsules.
Regarding the children's formula of the anti-flu drug Oseltamivir, Dr Vithit said that the 30,000 to 40,000 capsules could be distributed immediately in all areas if needed.
The GPO is ready to produce more anti-flu drugs for children.
In addition, the GPO has stored lots of hand wash gel and sanitary masks to prevent the upcoming wave of Influenza Type A (H1N1) spread.
The GPO contacted local producers to make cloth sanitary masks to supply the GPO as they can be reused and help save costs.
Some European countries like Germany, Spain and France have expressed interest in GPO-produced hand gel, so the organisation plans to register its hand gel formula with the food and drug administrations in those countries.
After it is registered, Thailand expects to receive orders from overseas and build confidence in the country's production's standard. (TNA)
-- TNA 2009/11/03
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wanna know the truth
this is a big con
it has not been tested properly causes so many death
one buddy got it in europe, came back, went to hospidal
dead the next day!
well done thailand for beconing the drug compnays testing grounds
Posted 2009-11-03 20:46:28
straightdave, on 2009-11-03 20:25:13, said: wanna know the truth
this is a big con
it has not been tested properly causes so many death
one buddy got it in europe, came back, went to hospidal
dead the next day!
well done thailand for beconing the drug compnays testing grounds
Boy, my hopes were really high after the first line, only to be let down. 
This is Tamiflu were talking about here. Been on the market for 10 years, testing went back farther than that. How is Thailand a drug company's testing ground? Just like so many others on this thread, you probably won't reply to me because you just dump this steaming pile of a post here then troll on to the next one.
Posted 2009-11-03 20:53:00
Felt 35, on 2009-11-03 14:33:54, said: Quote No ranting but maybe you could post some examples where it is proven that it is more serious then the common flu.
Do you read the news now and then or is it just Pattaya mail?
A female friend of the family, 32 years old just died of the swine flu in Northern Europe, she did not die last year or the years before that, but they have the seasonal flu there every freezing winter.
Lots of younger people are dying of this swine flu, it is much worse than common flu due to it's capacity to kill seemingly healthy and relatively young people.
These 35 Million doses will provide a single course for 3.5 Million people, of course one of the approved uses is taking the drug as a preventative measure at a reduced dose.
Posted 2009-11-03 20:56:15
Grey11, on 2009-11-03 15:36:34, said: Just another way for pharmaceutical companies, medical doctors & hospitals to make millions of dollars. If you are younger than 8 or below 65, you don't need these flu shots.
This is complete horseshit and misinformation at best, a large percentage of the deaths have affected people between the ages of 8 and 65. This is what is making it stand out from ordinary flu.
Only yesterday a woman in her early thirties died from this. Her motherless children probably won't agree with you here.
Posted 2009-11-03 21:02:05
basjke, on 2009-11-03 14:13:04, said: Scubabuddha, on 2009-11-03 14:07:05, said: Watch this space for the flood of anti-pharmaceutical ranting and claims of "It's all hype;" swine flu is not dangerous etc. etc.
No ranting but maybe you could post some examples where it is proven that it is more serious then the common flu.
Posted 2009-11-03 21:03:42
Scubabuddha, on 2009-11-03 20:46:28, said: This is Tamiflu were talking about here. Been on the market for 10 years, testing went back farther than that. How is Thailand a drug company's testing ground? Just like so many others on this thread, you probably won't reply to me because you just dump this steaming pile of a post here then troll on to the next one.
??? it is NOT Tamiflu we are talking about here!
from page one:
Quote .....hospitals nationwide have stockpiled some 35 million capsules of the anti-flu drug 'Oseltamivir'
Posted 2009-11-03 21:06:27
moskito, on 2009-11-03 21:03:42, said: Scubabuddha, on 2009-11-03 20:46:28, said: This is Tamiflu were talking about here. Been on the market for 10 years, testing went back farther than that. How is Thailand a drug company's testing ground? Just like so many others on this thread, you probably won't reply to me because you just dump this steaming pile of a post here then troll on to the next one.
??? it is NOT Tamiflu we are talking about here!
from page one:
Quote .....hospitals nationwide have stockpiled some 35 million capsules of the anti-flu drug 'Oseltamivir'
Oseltamivir is the active ingredient in the drug branded 'Tamiflu'. They are one and the same.
Posted 2009-11-03 21:07:01
lor, on 2009-11-03 14:50:33, said: I am a little worried about swine flu. Yes I know so far it has been very mild in most of the world but this virus is very like the last pandemic virus which killed millions. .
Chris
If your talking about the 1918 pandemic then worry not. The people who died had the flu yes but the cause of death was the combination of flu and the then fatal strep. The latter is now cured with antibiotics
Posted 2009-11-03 21:47:19
ukrules, on 2009-11-03 21:06:27, said: Oseltamivir is the active ingredient in the drug branded 'Tamiflu'. They are one and the same.
ok ukrules, you are right, but how you explain that, when everybody knows in the meantime that Tamiflu is useless to the swine flu virus or better A/H1N1, why they should put it in stock in hospitals? maybe the reporter has no idea? maybe he changed the name from Peramivir to Oseltamivir? honestly, all these latin words are a bit confusing for amateurs 
Oleltamivir or Peramivir WIKI
so ok they are same same....but different 
Edited by moskito, 2009-11-03 22:04:51.
Posted 2009-11-03 23:17:51
moskito, on 2009-11-03 21:03:42, said: ??? it is NOT Tamiflu we are talking about here!
from page one:
Quote .....hospitals nationwide have stockpiled some 35 million capsules of the anti-flu drug 'Oseltamivir'
Yes of course Oseltamivir is the generic name for Tamiflu. It's the exact same thing. 
givenall, on 2009-11-03 21:02:05, said: What is this?
1. First of all stock piling don't help actual destitution helps.
2. The distribution should be through hospitals and not clinic or other places that cheating can happen
3. Pills? I though all over the world they are either injection or nasal spray. Is this a real claim?
As I have mentioned many many times in this thread already, and which no one seems to read, this report is not about the vaccine, it's about a treatment anti-viral medication Oseltamivir (brand name Tamiflu and Relenza) which is a neuraminidase inhibitor. It slows the spread of flu virus between cells in the body by stopping the new virus by chemically cutting ties with its host cell, reducing your immune systems response to the virus, thus giving you less intense and shorter symptoms. And it is true there has been reports that many flu's are now resistant to it, but certainly not all, and certainly not in all people. And as mentioned it is prescribed as a prophylactic to people with high chance of exposure or weakened immune systems.
Edited by Scubabuddha, 2009-11-03 23:36:30.
Posted 2009-11-03 23:34:53
moskito, on 2009-11-03 21:47:19, said: ukrules, on 2009-11-03 21:06:27, said: Oseltamivir is the active ingredient in the drug branded 'Tamiflu'. They are one and the same.
ok ukrules, you are right, but how you explain that, when everybody knows in the meantime that Tamiflu is useless to the swine flu virus or better A/H1N1, why they should put it in stock in hospitals? maybe the reporter has no idea? maybe he changed the name from Peramivir to Oseltamivir? honestly, all these latin words are a bit confusing for amateurs
Oleltamivir or Peramivir WIKI
so ok they are same same....but different
Dude, where are you getting your information? Fox News? Definately not different. It's the seasonal flu that has shown resistance since 2008. Very few cases of A/H1N1 have shown resistance, (.0039%) so it still works for swine. [
Edited by Scubabuddha, 2009-11-03 23:37:51.
Posted 2009-11-03 23:48:28
A woman can only walk backwards after getting a flu jab:
Immunologic Adjuvant
scuba by your own admission deserve everything you get from injections. thanks for the dis-info.
Posted 2009-11-04 00:10:14
thetravellingcat, on 2009-11-03 23:48:28, said:
One person gets a previously unknown affliction after getting a flu shot...well that's conclusive and sound evidence!!! It's this kind of ignorance and propaganda that is going to kill hundreds of people who are now too scared to get the vaccine.
And BTW, I appreciate all of you that have PM'ed me thanking me for keeping some sanity on this thread. Your most welcome.
Edited by Scubabuddha, 2009-11-04 00:16:30.
Posted 2009-11-04 00:33:33
yes mate, I guess you are the one who is watching too much Fox News and fullfill the propaganda for the pharma industry.
If YOU say there are no risks you obviously know more than a lot of (real) docs and experts and if you suggest pregnant women can take
the shot without any risk, i really hope you sleep well.
OK then, lets all run for the hospitals to get our shot NOW, we have an Expert here we all can trust
Posted 2009-11-04 00:35:38
Scubabuddha, on 2009-11-03 20:46:28, said: straightdave, on 2009-11-03 20:25:13, said: wanna know the truth
this is a big con
it has not been tested properly causes so many death
one buddy got it in europe, came back, went to hospidal
dead the next day!
well done thailand for beconing the drug compnays testing grounds
Boy, my hopes were really high after the first line, only to be let down.
This is Tamiflu were talking about here. Been on the market for 10 years, testing went back farther than that. How is Thailand a drug company's testing ground? Just like so many others on this thread, you probably won't reply to me because you just dump this steaming pile of a post here then troll on to the next one.
well buddy, i aint like that, and here is my reply and please talk to me as you would if you were standing right next to me, please test that if you wish i promise you that you would choose a different delivery
you would be a little more polite
lets not talk like cowardly little kids who hide on forums
, it is my opinion that thailand has been used as a testing ground, covertly for some years after a buddy of mine resigned from a stateside pharmy co. citing ethical reasons
and the other day and great freind of mine and student of terrence mckenna who i really respect and trust
showed me all this info on this stuff
it was his buddy who died
i make all be wrong, if so sorry, please educate me, not insult me, think its a good thing to have an open debate
not insult someone behind there back because that safe
next up, are you aware of how much thailand manipulate its HIV stats?
looking forward to a mature response
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