This should certainly give Thaksin more credibility in the eyes of world leaders and tarnish the claims of those simply calling him a criminal. If he were just looting the Thai coffers for his entire administration, surely the Cambodian government would not want him advising them on economic matters.
This gives some credence to the claim that the charges against him in Thailand are mainly political. I hope that they are eventually dropped and he can return to his homeland. Whether or not he should be allowed to re-enter politics is up to the Thai's, but I see no reason why he should have to live in exile.
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Thaksin Appointed As Adviser Of Cambodian Government
Started by webfact, 2009-11-05 08:17
#102
LawnGnome
Senior Member Posted 2009-11-05 14:13:24
I wonder how many people urging forum member talk "to ordinary Thais", ever themselves talk to ordinary Thais. The "ordinary Thais" I talk to on a daily basis are middle class academics and students, and they all are very much pro stable Thailand and anti Thaksin corruption-omics.
#103
DegenFarang
Senior Member Posted 2009-11-05 14:13:38
Plus he has hot daughters and it would be easier for me to impregnate them if they were in Thailand, I don't get to Cambodia or Dubai often.
#104
Lite Beer
L.B. Posted 2009-11-05 14:16:00
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#105
LawnGnome
Senior Member Posted 2009-11-05 14:17:38
This should certainly give Thaksin more credibility in the eyes of world leaders and tarnish the claims of those simply calling him a criminal. If he were just looting the Thai coffers for his entire administration, surely the Cambodian government would not want him advising them on economic matters. This gives some credence to the claim that the charges against him in Thailand are mainly political. I hope that they are eventually dropped and he can return to his homeland. Whether or not he should be allowed to re-enter politics is up to the Thai's, but I see no reason why he should have to live in exile. Yes I am sure the rest of the democratic leaders pay a lot of heed to the former Khmer Rouge leader, who himself came to power through a coup. I can just image the conversation, over a glass of Bia Laos. In actually, unless your post is sarcastic, which is doesn't seem to be, the reaction from the world leaders is likely to be indifference or perhaps even the opposite of what you mention. #106
TAWP
Libertarian Member Posted 2009-11-05 14:18:05
Whether or not he should be allowed to re-enter politics is up to the Thai's, but I see no reason why he should have to live in exile. He doesn't live in exile, he is fleeing a prison sentence. He can come home whenever he wants to. #107
Foggy Bottom
Senior Member Posted 2009-11-05 14:18:54
Remembering that one of the contributory causes to the 2006 coup was the military's concern regarding interception of their voice and data traffic via the Shin satellite, and that as PM Thaksin was supreme leader with most of his cousins and nephews in the military top jobs, I'm a little surprised that it too until the third page before someone mentioned the Thai Military's potential reactions to this.
In my wondering, the Thai government has two roads to go - indignation or ignoring, and from the Foreign Ministry's announcement they seem to be going with the ignoring route. It therefore becomes more important to study the miltary establishment's response - are there enough Shinawatras in senior positions still to promote Thaksin's appointment as good news for Thailand, or have they too all been ousted and the pro-2006-coup supporters now issue the orders? How will they interpret this move by Hun Sen? What reaction will they seek to elicit from the populace, and what "propaganda" is being distributed in the closeted environments of military barracks and airfields nationwide? TV members should always remember there are three parliament's in Thailand - the elected MP's and the Senate, the "trade guilds" of the business world, and the military. I don't count the nobility as a Thai parliament, even though they are a fourth force in such matters - Brits will understand what I mean when I say that the "three parliaments" decide if they have absolute allegiance to the monarchy or press their agendas regardless of the nobility ... however revered as symbolic heads or persons they may be. As I said at the top - the reaction that counts will come from the military ... especially if it transpires at any time that Thaksin personally still has login and password for the satellite controls and eavesdropping technology. If the Abhisit government plays this wrong, they may find themselves on the receiving end of another coup ... in the interests of national security ... or as early posters mentioned, it might all be left up to a 2-man team who cross the border at night. I'll wait for the official reports though - it's early days in this charade. Foggy #108
LawnGnome
Senior Member Posted 2009-11-05 14:19:32
Whether or not he should be allowed to re-enter politics is up to the Thai's, but I see no reason why he should have to live in exile. He doesn't live in exile, he is fleeing a prison sentence. He can come home whenever he wants to. Details, details...lol #109
chrislarsson
Senior Member Posted 2009-11-05 14:22:44
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asiawatcher
Platinum Member Posted 2009-11-05 14:23:43
I admire Hun Sen to be so patient with the current aggressive Thai government. Anyway, Hun Sen shows he has no problem with Thailand: he takes a Thai man as an adviser. It's even excellent: as soon as Thailand will have a normal government, friendship between the two countries will be as good as usual. Hun Sen was directly and indirectly responsible for hundreds of deaths when a member of the Khmer Rouge. He is still in power because no-one dares address this or bring him to justice. Two peas in a pod - Criminal and criminal. And you endorse this? Thaksin is a common thief with a huge ego - they do suit each other but you are way off the mark. 
#111
JetsetBkk
The JesterBkk Posted 2009-11-05 14:29:24
I wonder how many people urging forum member talk "to ordinary Thais", ever themselves talk to ordinary Thais. The "ordinary Thais" I talk to on a daily basis are middle class academics and students, and they all are very much pro stable Thailand and anti Thaksin corruption-omics. The "ordinary Thais" I talk to want to know when the road to the next village will have the pot-holes filled in and thank Thaksin for the 30 baht hospital scheme so they can get the chemo-therapy treatment that they otherwise wouldn't be able to afford. It matters not a jot who actually started the scheme or whether it will bankrupt the hospitals - they thank Thaksin for it. And the roads were a dämn site better when he was in power. So all the knowledgeable posts about who was more corrupt than who, who was kicked out legally or democratically, means nothing to these "ordinary Thais". They remember what it was like under Thaksin and want him back. #112
LawnGnome
Senior Member Posted 2009-11-05 14:31:26
I wonder how many people urging forum member talk "to ordinary Thais", ever themselves talk to ordinary Thais. The "ordinary Thais" I talk to on a daily basis are middle class academics and students, and they all are very much pro stable Thailand and anti Thaksin corruption-omics. The "ordinary Thais" I talk to want to know when the road to the next village will have the pot-holes filled in and thank Thaksin for the 30 baht hospital scheme so they can get the chemo-therapy treatment that they otherwise wouldn't be able to afford. It matters not a jot who actually started the scheme or whether it will bankrupt the hospitals - they thank Thaksin for it. And the roads were a dämn site better when he was in power. So all the knowledgeable posts about who was more corrupt than who, who was kicked out legally or democratically, means nothing to these "ordinary Thais". They remember what it was like under Thaksin and want him back. Any they are welcome to elect him as soon has he comes back to Thailand and serves his prison sentence. Oh wait, no they cant. Section 102. A person under any of the following prohibitions shall have no right to be a candidate in an election of members of the House of Representatives: (1) being addicted to narcotics; (2) being bankrupt or having been dishonestly bankrupt; (3) being disfranchised under section 100 (1), (2) or (4); (4) having been sentenced by a judgement to imprisonment and being detained by a warrant of the Court; Edited by LawnGnome, 2009-11-05 14:34:12. #113
WinnieTheKhwai
Incredible Member Posted 2009-11-05 14:31:56
Hun Sen is a real mad dog of SE Asia. He is the real threat to the region. Let's see what Abhisit will react. Heck, I'd like Abhisit react to anything.. The Chiang Mai baby panda is hyper active compared to Abhsit.  If it gets Abhisit to do something (anything) it's a good thing in my book. Edited by WinnieTheKhwai, 2009-11-05 14:36:37. #114
chrislarsson
Senior Member Posted 2009-11-05 14:37:13
It's amazing to see how many people here actually believes the current government are any less corrupt compared with previous ones. For anyone living here pre-Thaksin, you would know how many things actually improved during his time. Not without faults, but the situation for most Thais improved considerably. To even think that corruption in high places ended with Thaskin's departure is nothing more than pure stupidity. But then again, we do rely on the Infinite monkey theorem here.  Thailand has fallen in all international independent ratings in the last three years, e.g. press freedom, corruption, civil liberties, political rights, etc. If anybody can find an indicator that has improved send a link that shows it. There are enough emotional postings here already. It's also worth noting that Thailand were making progress in most areas during the 5 years before that. Don't post lies to make a point. Yes, the press freedom etc fell during the military government etc, but to claim it was making progress the 5 years before that is preposterous. The BIG fall in press freedom and civil liberties WAS during Thaksin reign. And while I am not defending the military regime, their actions was kinda expected from a coup-government, and atleast they stepped down...Thaksin would never do that. Here are the scores for Thailand from the Press Freedom Index 2002-2009. There is no data available before 2002. 2002 - 22,75 2003 - 19,67 2004 - 14,00 2005 - 28,00 2006 - 33,50 2007 - 53,50 2008 - 34,50 2009 - 44,00 In comparison Denmark scored 0 and North Korea 112,5 in 2009. Btw, I wrote in most areas, not all. Edited by chrislarsson, 2009-11-05 14:42:00. #115
skorchio
Senior Member Posted 2009-11-05 14:46:07
Wonder what he'll sell off first? the people. Or maybe Ankor Wat, seeing as he has a taste for selling temples. #116
TAWP
Libertarian Member Posted 2009-11-05 14:49:32
Here are data from some selected years from the Press Freedom Index. There is no data available before 2002. 2002 - 22,75 2004 - 14,00 2005 - 28,00 2007 - 53,50 2009 - 44,00 In comparison Denmark got 0 and North Korea 112,5 in 2009 Thanks for proving my point? (No idea where you got those numbers from, I prefer the one that ranks listings of nations directly compared to eachother. The major drop happened under Thaksin, and granted has stayed low ever since.) And even after your edit, your assertion that 5 years of improved before Thaksins oustering is clearly a lie as we see 3 years of decline in a row... Edited by TAWP, 2009-11-05 14:51:39. #117
webfact
Admin Posted 2009-11-05 14:51:29
A nonsensical post referring to a non-existing or fictitious person named Toxin has been deleted.
#118
rixalex
A Live Member Posted 2009-11-05 14:57:53
The "ordinary Thais" I talk to want to know when the road to the next village will have the pot-holes filled in and thank Thaksin for the 30 baht hospital scheme so they can get the chemo-therapy treatment that they otherwise wouldn't be able to afford. It matters not a jot who actually started the scheme or whether it will bankrupt the hospitals - they thank Thaksin for it. Is it a coincidence that whenever people state the views of Thai people they have met, those Thai people invariably seem to have the same opinion as they do? Unless you can name names, seems to me to be a cheap and easy method of substaniating your own thoughts. #119
mizzi39
Super Member Posted 2009-11-05 15:16:40
The current government gonna look stupid when Thaksin is lifting Cambodia. Then after a few years the Thais will wonder "What happened"? I totally agree with you. The Thai bureaucrats will have to deal with their chauvinism first, before wondering "what happened"? I personally do not see that happening anytime in the near future, so what is the famous anthem now? Que Sara Sara- What will be will be? Yep, i can see that "attitude" turning around and biting them in the arse! 
Edited by mizzi39, 2009-11-05 15:29:16. #120
lensta
Senior Member Posted 2009-11-05 15:21:17
This is like a game of poker: I'll see your Phra Wirahan and raise you one Thaksin!  The Phra Wirahan is just a bluff. The real point are the dispute in the gulf borders with the oil and gas. Both Thailand and Cambodia claim them. The temple has zero value but is nice to mobilize some nationalists. When I was 8 years old the World Court in Netherland decided to give the temple for the Cambodian...my father told me that the Ex Prime minister did not have to show up and the world court had no power over Thailand..what so ever..he was right?? But, the Thai government went to Court anyway?? Now oil and gas will be the issue and the show must go on...I am not surprised about the Ex Prime Minister who is trying to claim his power. Cambodian guy is a tough cookie and please do not under estimate both political ambition..watch out... any event occures the Thai and Cambodian working citizens will suffer the most...you and I know the big fish always eat little fish. I do feel uneasy how close the Ex Prime minister from the Thai border... Well, Money talks and we Farangs need to do something?? talking is good start but, advising the Thais will be awesome...my opinion. #121
chrislarsson
Senior Member Posted 2009-11-05 15:21:26
Here are scores from the Press Freedom Index 2002-2009. There is no data available before 2002. 2002 - 22,75 2003 - 19,67 2004 - 14,00 2005 - 28,00 2006 - 33,50 2007 - 53,50 2008 - 34,50 2009 - 44,00 In comparison Denmark scored 0 and North Korea 112,5 in 2009 Thanks for proving my point? (No idea where you got those numbers from, I prefer the one that ranks listings of nations directly compared to eachother. The major drop happened under Thaksin, and granted has stayed low ever since.) And even after your edit, your assertion that 5 years of improved before Thaksins oustering is clearly a lie as we see 3 years of decline in a row... http://en.wikipedia....s_Freedom_Index, http://www.rsf.org/R...rders,4116.html I'm not trying to prove any point. According to Reporters Without Borders press freedom improved between 2002 - 2004, and since then it is downhill with the exception of 2008. Again, I did not claim that all indicators improved during Thaksin's reign, but most. #122
quiksilva
Posted 2009-11-05 15:25:13
Here are data from some selected years from the Press Freedom Index. There is no data available before 2002. 2002 - 22,75 2004 - 14,00 2005 - 28,00 2007 - 53,50 2009 - 44,00 In comparison Denmark got 0 and North Korea 112,5 in 2009 Thanks for proving my point? (No idea where you got those numbers from, I prefer the one that ranks listings of nations directly compared to eachother. The major drop happened under Thaksin, and granted has stayed low ever since.) And even after your edit, your assertion that 5 years of improved before Thaksins oustering is clearly a lie as we see 3 years of decline in a row... I find it amusing to see how Thaksinites like to point to his prowess in governing the economy as if it took some sort of genius to steer a country upwards whilst it was already being swept up by a global economic boom that started before he took office. Thaksin's repeated legal threats and general hostility with the free press, is quickly forgotten, as was the extra judicial killings of more people than who died in 9- 11, which whilst reportedly was a war on drugs included the beating and hanging of a 17 year old boy... I just don't understand why anyone would want to see him back in power. Is this really what people want to see again? Murders and intimidation by a central government who did whatever they liked, with the opposition standing by powerless to do anything to stop them, and the press too scared to speak out against them? Sure some of his policies were good, but they were not worth the price paid for them. #123
LawnGnome
Senior Member Posted 2009-11-05 15:46:19
Thailand Recalls Its Ambassador to Cambodia
Thailand on Thursday recalled its ambassador to Phnom Penh to protest Cambodia's appointment of convicted ex-Thai PM Shinawatra as economic adviser to Cambodia's Prime Minister Hun Sen and his government. Thai government will demand for reviews of all bilateral agreements Thailand has with Cambodia, according to the statement issued on Thursday. Thai Ambassador to Phnom Penh Prasart is scheduled to return to Bangkok at 3pm.  -- The Nation 5 Nov. 2009 Edited by LawnGnome, 2009-11-05 15:48:02. #124
jayboy
Platinum Member Posted 2009-11-05 15:48:52
Both were removed in ENTIRELY democratic measures. Samak broke a law, and was removed. Somchai's party was dissolved for election fraud, by the Constitution Court. Smaller parties grew tired of the TRT/PPP/PTP nonsense, and joined together to form a legal ruling government. You lash out and talk about "debating with the big boys", yet your own position (see extract above) is frankly rather naive.In fact if you really believe administrations were removed "in ENTIRELY democratic measures", you really have a great deal more understanding left to achieve. Democratic as deals with the rule of law which is the 2007 Constitution. Your "third hand/hidden motives/elite conspiracy" garbage sells a lot of fishwrap, but doesn't change the facts of the incidents. My extract above is entirely factual and accurate - a point that I am sure galls you to no end - lol. It doesn't gall me at all.I just note the naivety and ignorance, and in your case the lack of willingness to discuss rationally. Incidentally the first sentence of your post is very strangely expressed.Please clarify if you wish to be understood. #125
321niti123
Senior Member Posted 2009-11-05 15:50:04
Hun Sen is a real mad dog of SE Asia. He is the real threat to the region. Let's see what Abhisit will react. Thaksin time is over. the more Thailand ignores Thaksin the better is for Thailand. Thailand should only go after him as criminal that he is I disagree because, if we forget and ignore thaksin and somehow he gets into thailand, trust me, all hel_l will break loose Edited by 321niti123, 2009-11-05 15:51:21. |
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