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Posted 2009-11-06 02:12:42
 coalminer, on 2009-11-05 21:35:46, said:
So, when will Thaksin be promoted to "Doctor Honoris Causa in Economics at an University?
At least, Thaiksin didn't need the help of a few anarchists like Sondhi to hold into ransom a Government House and 2 National Airports to become Prime Minister like Absint.
Thaksin, the people of Issan loves you.
Where there's love who needs (Thaksin and his) money? Luv conquers all, right?!?
Thaksin is going to camp out in Cambodia where his axis partners can much more easily meet with him, scheme for the inevitable, and make his move. The guy wants to own Thailand and Thailand Inc, to include Cambodia, and will stop at nothing to try to realize his mad purpose and goal. The guy is a wounded animal and desperate, which isn't the best state of mind or emotional condition.
The government should confiscate his assets and distribute them to the poorest of the poor. And Thaksin should sing the praises of the government for doing such. And then pigs will fly.
Posted 2009-11-06 02:26:28
walkup, on 2009-11-05 14:49:44, said: What you are missing (deliberately) is that he is a crook.
Bad news for the reputation of Cambodia.
A crook? What did he do other than sell his telecomm company? I am serious. What has been proven about him that he deserves to be hated and imprisoned? 
Posted 2009-11-06 02:36:16
NamSod, on 2009-11-06 03:26:28, said: walkup, on 2009-11-05 14:49:44, said: What you are missing (deliberately) is that he is a crook.
Bad news for the reputation of Cambodia.
A crook? What did he do other than sell his telecomm company? I am serious. What has been proven about him that he deserves to be hated and imprisoned?
Proven against Thaksin is his record, which has been specified and stated in particulars at TV for a good number of years. We are not the medium of record, but there is a record of those who have been here and who have experienced Thaksin in government, who have observed, and who have the input of Thais. We also know and recognize a cheap and exploitative populist anti-democracy dictator when we see one. We know too well about such things from our own history. And here it has been live and in living color before our own eyes, right out of the history books.
Posted 2009-11-06 03:29:10
Publicus, on 2009-11-05 15:36:16, said: NamSod, on 2009-11-06 03:26:28, said: walkup, on 2009-11-05 14:49:44, said: What you are missing (deliberately) is that he is a crook.
Bad news for the reputation of Cambodia.
A crook? What did he do other than sell his telecomm company? I am serious. What has been proven about him that he deserves to be hated and imprisoned?
Proven against Thaksin is his record, which has been specified and stated in particulars at TV for a good number of years. We are not the medium of record, but there is a record of those who have been here and who have experienced Thaksin in government, who have observed, and who have the input of Thais. We also know and recognize a cheap and exploitative populist anti-democracy dictator when we see one. We know too well about such things from our own history. And here it has been live and in living color before our own eyes, right out of the history books.
Which part of his 'proven' record do you disagree with? Was it his economic policies like the village-managed microcredit development funds or the low-interest agricultural loans? Between 2000 and 2004, income in the poorest part of the country, the Northeast, rose 40 per cent while nationwide poverty fell from 21.3 per cent to 11.3 per cent. I would LOVE to see that kind of 'crookedness' anywhere.
Was it his universal healthcare that provided insurance for citizens that never had access to healthcare before? Or did the number of people living with HIV/AIDS as well as the overall prevalence rate noticeably decline cause you to become so filled with anger toward Thaksin?
Or was it the landslide election victory in 2001, when he became the the country's first prime minister to serve a full term?
Sorry, I dont buy all this hate for him as being legitimate. Every politician is disliked by somebody. The difference is not everybody has the ability to use the media to brainwash people.
I see jealousy from members of high society being parrotted in the media and most of the allegations being as not valid. The only conviction that I can find is one alleging conflict of interest by allowing his wife to purchase a piece of property from the Financial Institutions Development Fund. <shrug>
Your arguement, that he is a crook, deserves only response: EPIC FAIL 
Posted 2009-11-06 04:05:43
george, on 2009-11-05 10:50:51, said: The current government gonna look stupid when Thaksin is lifting Cambodia. Then after a few years the Thais will wonder "What happened"?
the possibility of another emerging major economy in the region is a real possibility here - tourism is untouched - lots of natural resources - new international contact, especially with the wealthy gulf states who might be happy to pump some loans into the country -- case of the sleeping tiger might be waking with the right guidance - all the while the local political stage is teetering and is looking more like the Titanic every day - Cambodia has as much to offer in tourism potential as LOS has - just needs some direction. will be interesting to say the least
Posted 2009-11-06 06:56:27
COMMENT
What is Thaksin prepared to do now?
By The Nation
Published on November 6, 2009
Thaksin Shinawatra claimed it was "an honour" to be appointed Cambodia's economic adviser. As his motherland is staring at a major diplomatic row with a close neighbour and businessmen in both countries are bracing themselves for an unpredictable impact, there is a thin line between "honour" and "shame".
In his fight to clear his name, Thaksin has stopped at virtually nothing. And even after the Thai ambassador to Phnom Penh was recalled and Bangkok decided to cut assistance to Cambodia, he showed no signs of guilt, concern or remorse. Bangkok was being childish and overreacting, he tweeted.
Thaksin's blurring sense of patriotism is understandable. Having been ousted by a military coup, convicted for a crime he refuses to accept and seen his own political movement neutralised one after another, he can be forgiven for trying to embarrass his opponents who are holding the reins of power. But everything has its boundary - and Thaksin has crossed it.
Only he and Cambodian Premier Hun Sen know whether the controversial asylum offer and the economic-adviser appointment were out of the latter's own goodwill or the former Thai leader had a hand in it. But even if Thaksin had nothing to do with the Cambodian moves, the least he could have done is show he cared about his country.
A neighbourly row of this nature can easily encompass the fighting colours in Thai politics. It threatens the whole country, be it yellows or reds or neutral Thais. Disruption of trade, border blockades, troop redeployment and the subsequent mounting tension on the already-strained relations will not discriminate against anyone.
Thaksin could have said "No, but thank you" to the Cambodian offer, but he has chosen to inflame the situation by saying the Thai government was overreacting, like a child. This came from someone who should have known better, who witnessed first-hand as a Thai leader what misunderstandings between the countries could lead to and who was on the verge of sending commandos into Cambodia himself to rescue Thai diplomats and businessmen running for their lives from angry torch-wielding protesters.
The difference between now and then is the attack on the Thai Embassy may have been caused by an accident, but this time there are people who seemingly want it to happen. Thaksin stands out among them. Hun Sen cannot drag himself into the Thai fray without Thaksin showing the way. If Thaksin's opponents' hardline stand on the Preah Vihear conflict was what first strained bilateral relations, things took a major turn for the worse when Thaksin's representative, Chavalit Yongchaiyudh, visited Phnom Penh and kick-started the asylum-offer episode.
What is Thaksin prepared to do now? On one side is a country he once called home, where he is both loved and loathed, but on the other side is a place that is offering him comfort. A truly grateful man would do anything but pit both countries against each other.
-- The Nation 2009/11/06
Posted 2009-11-06 07:30:22
animatic, on 2009-11-05 20:05:10, said: mrsouza, on 2009-11-05 19:27:26, said: TAWP, on 2009-11-05 13:32:56, said: I like that part. And my 'technical correct' assertion is 100% opposite to yours. What does that say about yours?
I doubt any of us have the full details on what really was, and is, happening in the corridors of power around here. My reflection was on the bigger picture, there is no doubt TRT was removed because of pressure from certain groups that lost big money on Thaksin's politics.
That was surely one aspect, but there was much more. The fear that he was aiming for a life-time appointment was a real one too.
mrsouza, on 2009-11-05 13:21:01, said: The current government is still not elected by peoples vote
The current government is elected by the peoples vote.
Please show us any proof it isn't.
What I meant was, I was wrong on the two elections, there was only one in 2007 after Thaksin got booted.
So you're technically correct on that issue. My bad.
For the rest of the arguments, I rest my case. If one really believes that everything has been done according to "entirely democratic measures", I guess I am not qualified to play with the self appointed "big boys". 
And if I understood you correct, the justification for the coup was based on suspicion that Thaksin conspired to make himself life-time president, while sitting in a sauna in Finland? Cool!
By the 'basic laws on the books',
and of the 2007 constitution that the Thai People voted yea on ,
and by the fact that those who voted for Abhisit as PM,
being Elected Ministers of Parliament, by the Thai People in an open election,
Abhisit and the Dems are legally and fully the government of Thailand.
As recognized even by the likes of Hun Sen and the MKyanmar Junta,
as well as legitimate leaders such as Brown, Sarkozy, Obama, Medvedev,
and so many others world wide.
Any other opinion, leaning on post coup sour grapes, is missing the basic point,
almost EVERY Government and Constitution in Thailand's history,
have been Post-Coup institutions. So nothing new or unusual.
Look at Israel, currently run by a MINORITY lead coalition, because the winner
could NOT put or keep a coalition together. It is totally LEGAL,
and the same as Thailands coalition.
The only ones to benefit from the LESS strict 1997 constitution being brought back,
are the people who broke laws in the 2007 one, and lost their seats at the table for 5 years.
And don't confuse Pheu Thai's wild, ranting, gyrations in pretense of a real opposition party,
they are not, haven't even attempted a true policy based Shadow government.
They have one aim, discredit the current government at ALL COSTS,
in the hope of bringing back their leader Thaksin in any way that does it.
So if PTP says the constitution is not correct, in spite of tyhe peoples endorsement
and that the current government isn't legal, in spite of EVERY legal challenge they have made being rebuffed;
You can clearly see that;
their veracity, and grasp of reality, or at least true governance functionality,
is severely impaired at best. At worse a horrendous mendacity of world class proportions,
inverse to their purported goodwill towards the Thai People as a whole.
1. The Israeli government coalition was not militarily enforced
2. The 1997 constitution is more radical than you suggest, fewer democratic checks and balances
Posted 2009-11-06 07:33:35
awd, on 2009-11-05 20:41:26, said: The people of Isaan may love him, but unfortunately for Thaksin, the people of Isaan don't matter. Guns and money are against him, he's got nothing but popularity which rarely counts for much in military-dominated politics in SE Asia.
Are you saying he does not have rather powerful friends in Thailand? Don't think you are right. He also has some powerful friends in Asean countries and Brunei
Posted 2009-11-06 07:41:12
george, on 2009-11-05 11:17:37, said: Update:
Thaksin thanks Hun Sen for appointing him as adviser
Fugitive ex-Thai prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra said Thursday that it is an honour for him that Cambodian government appointed him as an economic adviser for the premier and the government.
"I would like to thank (Cambodia's Prime Minister)'s Hun Sen for appointing me as his economic adviser," Thaksin said in his twitter (Thaksinlive).
King Sihamoni signed the Royal Decree of the appointment of Thaksin Shinawatra on Oct 27. The appointment was made in accordance with the country's constitutions and at the request of Prime Minister Hun Sen.
-- The Nation 2009-11-05
I wonder how long it will be before Thaksin is a fugitive from cambodia?
Posted 2009-11-06 07:51:05
marsteele, on 2009-11-05 14:39:00, said: looks as tho we are all moving to Cambodia. I heard that Thaskin is a great leader and the Majority of thais love him.
Your deluded somewhat.
Posted 2009-11-06 08:24:28
TAWP, on 2009-11-05 16:02:22, said: chrislarsson, on 2009-11-05 15:21:26, said:
Will add placement to the values, for ref.
2002 - 22,75 - #65
2003 - 19,67 - #82
2004 - 14,00 - #59
2005 - 28,00 - #107 !!
2006 - 33,50 - #122 (Coup was in fall of 2006...)
2007 - 53,50 - #135
2008 - 34,50 - #124
2009 - 44,00 - #130
And you wrote that 'there had been improvements for 5 years in a row' [before Thaksin was ousted] and mentioned 'press freedom'. If this was in error, then please say so.
Oops! 
Edited by fullcave, 2009-11-06 08:45:24.
Posted 2009-11-06 08:27:14
JetsetBkk, on 2009-11-06 00:09:20, said: rixalex, on 2009-11-05 14:57:53, said: Is it a coincidence that whenever people state the views of Thai people they have met, those Thai people invariably seem to have the same opinion as they do?
Unless you can name names, seems to me to be a cheap and easy method of substaniating your own thoughts. No, I won't name my g/f's parents or relatives, just reporting what they said.
reporting what they said.
Posted 2009-11-06 09:13:16
King Sihamoni signed the Royal Decree of the appointment of Thaksin Shinawatra on Oct 27. -- The Nation 2009-11-05
I am just pointing out the fact.
I did not make it up; maybe Nation did; I cannot be 100% sure.
If you don't believe me, Google it.
Posted 2009-11-06 09:15:05
I am going through the thread and have started deleted posts. Some suggestions are: 1) Stay on topic. 2). Don't flame other posters, either individually or as a group (as in new members).
3). If you want to make predictions about posters and how they will involve, there are several astrological sites that might welcome your expertise. I don't.
Posted 2009-11-06 09:24:21
caf, on 2009-11-06 00:33:35, said: awd, on 2009-11-05 20:41:26, said: The people of Isaan may love him, but unfortunately for Thaksin, the people of Isaan don't matter. Guns and money are against him, he's got nothing but popularity which rarely counts for much in military-dominated politics in SE Asia.
Are you saying he does not have rather powerful friends in Thailand? Don't think you are right. He also has some powerful friends in Asean countries and Brunei
The initial premise is incorrect.The people of Isaan do matter now to the point that in a fair election they will largely determine the outcome.
Posted 2009-11-06 09:26:57
toptuan, on 2009-11-05 17:11:49, said: I'm sure many in Issan will be thrilled that the only populist supporter they ever had in Thai government will now be just over the border from them. Maybe the GTC ("Great Thaksin Comeback) will be via Anlong Veng & Sisaket? 
BINGO!!!!!!
Everybody with a little bit of grey matter in their brains knows that all the wealthy and/or powerful preparing themselves for a take-over of Thailand shortly (the reason of this is forbidden for writing in this forum).
Maleysia wants to posses the Southern, mainly Moslim provinces.
An ongoing slaughter of Thais in that region should ring bell's to anyody who is not deaf or blind
Burma wants to invade Thailand and take the Northern provinces as Burmese territory.
Laos, Vietnam and Cambodia wants to take Issaan back where it belongs.
Most of the Issaan people have their roots in the Khmer or te Loas culture and feels only Thai because of their borth place.
Most of the people in my wife's village will respond to the question if they feel geing a Thai or Lao with "LAO".
The center of Thailand (Bangkok) which is populated with only a few spoiled "mama-boy's" in a Mercedes or a few sex-tourists is of no interest to anybody. It will sink in the sea and the few spoiled rats with it.
What is easier for Thaksin who still can count on millions of followers to continue his plans "Next door" where the "Red Shirts" leaders can go to meetings with Thaksin easy as peanuts.
Khmer Thais (Issaan) wil love the idea of belongeing to a great counmry with oil fields and great monuments as Angkor Wat.
Posted 2009-11-06 09:31:19
rixalex, on 2009-11-06 09:27:14, said: JetsetBkk, on 2009-11-06 00:09:20, said: rixalex, on 2009-11-05 14:57:53, said: Is it a coincidence that whenever people state the views of Thai people they have met, those Thai people invariably seem to have the same opinion as they do?
Unless you can name names, seems to me to be a cheap and easy method of substaniating your own thoughts. No, I won't name my g/f's parents or relatives, just reporting what they said.
reporting what they said.
my housekeeper of eight years (named Ai) who hails from near Lampang and has family there, has always been a staunch Thaksin supporter.
even in my own house, one dare not speak bad about him in her presence unless you wanted the silent treatment for days
however that support has noticibly wained over the last 12 months of Thaksin sponsored 'red' activity, that she feels has damaged Thailand.
some of you might call her and her family, the poor, uneducated working class
i find her intelligent, bright and she is very interested in national events
i often see her watching the news rather than the soaps and she gets a newspaper everyday
she speaks some english and along with my rather basic non tonal Thai, we can converse to a degree
yesterday she was spitting feathers about this.
basically, she could not believe that Thaksin could work for Cambodia
theres no real need to elaborate further but i think its safe to say any support she had left for him has gone forever
for me, anyone who has read my previous posts about Thaksin, knows exactly how i feel about him......
Posted 2009-11-06 09:38:34
LawnGnome, on 2009-11-05 14:31:26, said: Any they are welcome to elect him as soon has he comes back to Thailand and serves his prison sentence.
Oh wait, no they cant.
Section 102. A person under any of the following prohibitions shall have no right to be a candidate in an election of members of the House of Representatives:
(1) being addicted to narcotics;
(2) being bankrupt or having been dishonestly bankrupt;
(3) being disfranchised under section 100 (1), (2) or (4);
(4) having been sentenced by a judgement to imprisonment and being detained by a warrant of the Court;
Oops.
That would restrict Sondhi and hos recently created Democratic Party from being a candidate as well.
Posted 2009-11-06 09:40:34
I just don't understand why Cambodia it so interested and infatuated with Thaksin. A PM willing so sacrifice his whole country for a friend and personal interests? Oh wait, I understand now.
Maybe it will be like the Honduran president. An ousted PM makes his return through the borders of Poipet.
Posted 2009-11-06 09:53:09
Scott, on 2009-11-06 10:15:05, said: I am going through the thread and have started deleted posts. Some suggestions are: 1) Stay on topic. 2). Don't flame other posters, either individually or as a group (as in new members).
3). If you want to make predictions about posters and how they will involve, there are several astrological sites that might welcome your expertise. I don't.
mmmmm would that be www.astrologicalarsehole.com .
Posted 2009-11-06 10:03:09
NamSod, on 2009-11-06 02:26:28, said: A crook? What did he do other than sell his telecomm company? I am serious. What has been proven about him that he deserves to be hated and imprisoned?
Post #168
- Thaksin's efforts to purge Thailand of farangs from Australia, NZ, SA, Canada, the U.S. & Europe.
- Thaksin hate anyone who was White.
- Thaksin that put in this stupid law - surely the most stupid law in place of any country in the world - that alcohol cannot be purchased between the evening hours of 2 p.m. to 5 p.m.?
- censoring on TV a person putting a cigarette to their mouthes.
Does this answer your question?
ROTFLMAO
Posted 2009-11-06 10:13:57
coalminer, on 2009-11-06 10:03:09, said: - Thaksin hate anyone who was White.
It's surprising you should say that when his country of choice while in excile was one of the whitest... the UK.
Posted 2009-11-06 10:14:12
Who is the Honduran president?
What relationship does he have with Thaksin?
Posted 2009-11-06 10:14:13
canoncam, on 2009-11-05 23:12:49, said: A review of the recent news updates reveals that a few hours ago, Hun Sen's government had recalled their Ambassador to Thailand.
This interlude is somewhat similar to Thaksin's other dictatorial friend that he was cosying up with earlier this year, the self-appointed Prime Minister of Fiji, Frank Bainimarama, who has just recently deported both Australia's and New Zealand's Ambassadors to his country. It's the Frank and "Frank" Show.
Speaking of Manchester City's "Frank", it was amusing to read the UK's Guardian paper online's article on the issue and its opening paragraph (the coloring is the websites):
During his tenure as Thai prime minister, he was accused of corruption and later convicted of allowing his wife to buy state land at a discount price. In his sole season in charge of Manchester City the club recorded a loss of nearly £30m. But now Thaksin Shinawatra has a new job – as an economic adviser to the Cambodian government.
Start spreadin the news...I'm leaving today...to make a brand new start of it... in old Koh Kong
The Chairman-Frank Shinawatra, Frank Bananarama & ol'glass eye himself Sammy Hun-Sen Davis Jr" Mr Big "Jiewy Bishop" Chavalit (I didn't know he was Jewish, Ed  )
....The Rat Pack! 
Appearing at Sands, Poipet
Get your tickets early
I swear you can't make this stuff up
Posted 2009-11-06 10:18:21
soihok, on 2009-11-06 01:42:15, said: Mmmmm.
Well from my Thai families point of view , non of that is really important.
He did however, help the family out of debt from loans ,, freely given out by the previous Goverment,, here in the North East.
Why do you think Thaksin did that? and many more things he did for the poor.
The poor and not always the uneducated of thailand are of the majority, Get the majority of the country on your side= landslide victory. Wonder which clever bastard thought of that before me. Name eludes me begins with T i think. oh yes silly me i named the crook before above.
Thaksin gave the poor a carrot then took a bloody great watermelon in return, Not such a good deal for the poor of thailand was it?.
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