170 replies to this topic
Posted 2009-11-06 00:21:11
 Eureka, on 2009-11-05 23:53:08, said:
jkolak, on 2009-11-05 19:51:42, said: phazey, on 2009-11-05 04:38:43, said: I'd have to agree. Buy a PC in pantip etc etc, you'll get it pre-installed with windows, office, photoshop etc.
Why have a go at the guys who don't know the details like this - A PC is supposed to come with Windows XP right? They all do?
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Stop the duplication plants, give amnesty's with a good window - not a quick earner.
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You often buy new computers with preloaded software. So if a customer buys a computer, how are they supposed to know that it was illegally installed and not an OEM licensed agreement to preload the software? What do you tell the police if they challenge it and it came preloaded on your computer?
If you buy a television, washing machine or DVD player it comes with documentation so does the LEGAL software including OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) versions. As with all warranties resonable notice must be given as to the terms and conditions. If a consumer fails to RTFM (read the f***ing manual) it is by their own choice.
Although I disagree with the high price of most software I do not take the view that all people are so stupid that they do not realize that a computer selling for 10,000TBT would also include an additional 60,000TBT of software
I bought my daughter a PC at Tesco - that would be Tesco Lotus, the international company. The tag on the display model said "Windows installed". Got it home and a couple of days later the "you are a victim of counterfeit software" pops up. So its not just little shops in Panthip selling the fake stuff. And when I went back I was told by a shocked staff that it was an extra 4500 baht for the genuine windows.
Edited by Netfan, 2009-11-06 00:26:25.
Posted 2009-11-06 00:36:53
Mrs Arkady went to do a computer graphics design course at a private school in Silom and all the computers in the school were powered by pirated operating systems and software. Her flash drive got infected with hundreds of viruses every time she attended classes there. The course included instruction on how to activate bootleg versions of Adobe products.
Edited by Arkady, 2009-11-06 00:38:31.
Posted 2009-11-06 00:41:13
kudroz, on 2009-11-06 00:12:39, said: I personally think this is a great initiative. It is sure to incentivize companies to go for open source alternatives instead of pirated software. But if they are seizing computers to run their check - it's a serious problem. While the initiative has merit, the execution falls short. I'm not sure exactly how they're executing these checks, but one would hope they are not seizing the computers for days/weeks?!? I welcome them to come to our office but if they take our computers for a few days it will have a serious effect on productivity as we're an IT company and rely on our computers to do 100% of the work.
Any ideas how long they seize the computers for?
Right, open source is the best alternative if you don't want to pay the price of proprietary software, and it works really well, whether it is for office or photo editor, plenty to love. Also linux have various OS very stable and easy to use, requires less cpu and memory than MS
when they raid you, and i have seen a few, they simply run a utility on each computer to check your registry and see what is installed and when it was installed. Then you get a fine, depending on how many you had running illegal software, and you have to purchase the exact version you were using. I have seen companies raided paying for adobe professional on 100 PCs when all they needed was the free reader but the stupid IT mgr thought it was easier to install the pro version for all...
They never seize your PC if you give them access and let them check it, but if it is encrypted or password protected and you refuse to let them have the password, they will seize it, so it is your choice
This is a serious action, but not new, they have been doing it for years in bangkok and many people were busted, simply people will not talk about it for their reputation
Posted 2009-11-06 00:49:19
This is like a fart in the wind .. gone very quickly , just spread else where! 
Posted 2009-11-06 00:59:30
Thailand loves to cheat the rest of the world, it's a national pastime & at the moment it's all they are capable of because of a severe lack of education in the country mixed with a burgeoning media service & a heavy display of wealth from tourism. Yes yes, the police are in on it as are most other parts of the establishment and what you need to understand is that it is accepted & encouraged. It's part of the national psyche as they try to catch up with the rest of the world & no matter what official press releases say, you can be sure that the real message is "We really don't care what you want or what you say, we are the Thai people & we are autonomous. You are inferior and one day you will realise it. In the meantime we will play your games, talk your talk & make what profit we can along the way in order to benefit our nation"
QED
Posted 2009-11-06 01:02:05
foxxx, on 2009-11-05 19:05:58, said: what a joke.
bust the companies paying taxes and employing tax paying staff, and let all the other filth slide.
Computer software is a large expense to companies, and some countries already monitor this closely, some countries, mostly in Asia, have been given great lenience, and making the competition in pricing to their advantage as they do not have the costs associated with other countries. This is a good idea, also, this soft ware is not written, updated, and viruses written, etc, for free, although to my knowledge, viruses are always written for "fun." I once had a professer who was a class act hacker. she was brilliant beyond my ability to see light in my eyes, and so she hacked everybody "for fun." She was just bored, beautiful, young woman!
I am glad to see them do this and try to make the costs of doing business reasonably allocated.
But, after saying this, I am not a world order, super power control idiot, so i Just want to see all nations individually obey a select number of rules and policies, and this would be one of them.
Another one is that I don't want to read about Gatoey and transvestites on ThaiVisa, but that is probably going to be an ignored request.
Posted 2009-11-06 01:40:11
phazey, on 2009-11-05 19:38:43, said: A PC is supposed to come with Windows XP right? A PC should come without anything installed, just order your free operating system on a bootable CD from (K)ubuntu and you are up and running...
Well, at least you don't have to be afraid of visitors...
Posted 2009-11-06 03:11:59
If the big software providers sold their producst at an acceptable price, they'd still be billionaires cuz no-one would bother ripping it off. We'd all CHOOSE to buy it.
Same goes for music CDs and movie DVDs.
If a hardware manufacturer can research, develop, test, manufacture, package and ship the likes of video cards, modems, USB controllers and on and on for under £20 (and even under £10) - including a cut for everyone along the way that handles it, then I'm sure MS, Adobe, Symantec and the like could do the same for a lousy CD carrying a disclaimer that the product doesn't promise to do anything at all (even work).
Posted 2009-11-06 06:35:31
george, on 2009-11-05 04:19:26, said: Software police target Phuket businesses
Phuket Gazette IT Manager Seubsak ('Big') Sahaworaphan.
PHUKET: -- As part of a nationwide investigation, Phuket businesses are being investigated closely by police for using illegal computer software.
A Gazette source said a 'high profile' property investment firm was raided earlier this week.
Police are said to have seized hardware and software, all allegedly unlicensed. The company was given a million baht fine, the source said.
Following news of the raid, a number of Phuket businesses reportedly closed for the day.
Colonel Sarayuth Pooltanya, deputy commander of the Royal Thai Police Economic and Cyber Crimes Division (ECD), said late last month that "all businesses will have to ensure that they are compliant with the Thai Copyright Act."
"Major efforts" to target companies using pirated software began on October 26, he said.
A list of 1,000 suspect companies nationwide compiled by the ECD has been based on tips, some anonymous. These are typically from sources within the target companies.
Leads are also being shared by the Business Software Alliance, which runs a toll-free hotline and website for informants to report on the use of pirated and unlicensed business software.
In recent months, the ECD has stepped up enforcement of intellectual property rights in respect of software.
August marked one of the ECD's most successful months, with 15 substantial raids netting 54.5 million baht's worth of allegedly non-copyright software.
The raided companies came from a wide variety of industries, including manufacturing, real estate, automobiles, shipping, design and engineering.
Phuket Gazette IT Manager Seubsak Sahaworaphan said businesses should perform regular checks to make sure employees are not downloading illegal software.
"We use a software checking device called System Hound which is installed in all our computers and has a centralized network control point," he said.
"The system performs regular checks on all of our computers and makes sure all licenses are up to date," he said.
It was not reported if or when the probe would be expanded to include computer companies that load up hard drives with illegal software when selling new machines to customers.
-- Phuket Gazette & The Nation 2009-11-05
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What about Schools? Will they be targeted?
Posted 2009-11-06 07:00:59
niebla, on 2009-11-06 07:35:31, said: What about Schools? Will they be targeted?
Yeah, and orphanages, and aged care facilities, and institutes for the blind, care facilities for the terminally ill..... how important is software piracy? 
Posted 2009-11-06 07:59:32
I was thinking about the hospitals & colleges!!!!!
I bet they will get a free pass
Posted 2009-11-06 08:03:24
Could it be that is in response to the new stringent rules being written for the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA)? Obama and others are in Seoul,
Korea right now planning to clamp down (crack down) on this type of activity. It is supposed to a secret meeting. Some secret if the Thais know it.
Posted 2009-11-06 08:05:42
Nerone, on 2009-11-05 20:30:10, said: It seems to me a kind of joke compared to the real problems of the country..... 
couldnt agree with you more
ignore the REAL problems and concentrate on extracting money from easy targets
if you compare the crackdowns with that of other western countries, Thailand is a joke
I just hope someone makes this nonsense stop before its too late
is there anyone out there??
Posted 2009-11-06 08:05:59
I have been using Ubuntu for 3 years now and can definitely say that there is nothing that I need windows for. One of the main problems that some companies I deal with encounter when they try to run Linux is certain Thai programs won't run on it, i.e. Express accounting, Thai software dictionary. I think if these companies could provide support for Linux then these companies would make the switch. There is also one accounting program that I used to like to use for my business, but I just installed virtualbox and had a very fast windows xp at the click of a button, all from inside my Ubuntu machine.
Edited by badgerbailey, 2009-11-06 08:18:20.
Posted 2009-11-06 08:08:22
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What a joke, can you even buy a licensed copy of a Microsoft OS in Thailand? And why should you pay for that crap OS. People the world over are vicitims of its multitude of security flaws! Pay for crap get crap, Pirate crap get crap for free! Then you have enough money to buy something worth the money (almost) you pay for it!
Posted 2009-11-06 08:21:10
This is a good idea, also, this soft ware is not written, updated, and viruses written, etc, for free, although to my knowledge, viruses are always written for "fun." I once had a professer who was a class act hacker. she was brilliant beyond my ability to see light in my eyes, and so she hacked everybody "for fun." She was just bored, beautiful, young woman!
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Bit naive aren't you? Viruses and the other associated malware can make their programmers a lot of money! Plus malware exploit flaws in MS OS, flaws that should not be a part of an expensive OS!
Posted 2009-11-06 08:25:26
jkolak, on 2009-11-05 19:51:42, said: phazey, on 2009-11-05 04:38:43, said: I'd have to agree. Buy a PC in pantip etc etc, you'll get it pre-installed with windows, office, photoshop etc.
Why have a go at the guys who don't know the details like this - A PC is supposed to come with Windows XP right? They all do?
......
Stop the duplication plants, give amnesty's with a good window - not a quick earner.
./P
You often buy new computers with preloaded software. So if a customer buys a computer, how are they supposed to know that it was illegally installed and not an OEM licensed agreement to preload the software? What do you tell the police if they challenge it and it came preloaded on your computer?
You tell em exactly that - it came with it. You can go online with Microsoft, to check to check whether your version is legal or not. Be warned - legit windows are VERY hard to find in LOS, depending on where you are etc.
Posted 2009-11-06 08:29:37
Just be in pantip 20 min before the police comes everthing under the table . cops out the door all software comes back out in 5 mins
Posted 2009-11-06 08:35:24
Marvo, on 2009-11-05 19:34:08, said: george, on 2009-11-05 18:19:26, said: As part of a nationwide investigation, Phuket businesses are being investigated closely by police for using illegal computer software.
But the outfits in Pantip SELLING all that illegal software will be allowed to continue to do so, - keeping the supply going so to speak.
 amazing Thailand....
Posted 2009-11-06 08:37:50
newtronbom, on 2009-11-06 08:25:26, said: jkolak, on 2009-11-05 19:51:42, said: phazey, on 2009-11-05 04:38:43, said: I'd have to agree. Buy a PC in pantip etc etc, you'll get it pre-installed with windows, office, photoshop etc.
Why have a go at the guys who don't know the details like this - A PC is supposed to come with Windows XP right? They all do?
......
Stop the duplication plants, give amnesty's with a good window - not a quick earner.
./P
You often buy new computers with preloaded software. So if a customer buys a computer, how are they supposed to know that it was illegally installed and not an OEM licensed agreement to preload the software? What do you tell the police if they challenge it and it came preloaded on your computer?
You tell em exactly that - it came with it. You can go online with Microsoft, to check to check whether your version is legal or not. Be warned - legit windows are VERY hard to find in LOS, depending on where you are etc.
 I don't think the word "Legit" is in the Thai dictionary...
Posted 2009-11-06 08:41:07
SebD, on 2009-11-06 03:11:59, said: If the big software providers sold their producst at an acceptable price, they'd still be billionaires cuz no-one would bother ripping it off. We'd all CHOOSE to buy it.
Same goes for music CDs and movie DVDs.
If a hardware manufacturer can research, develop, test, manufacture, package and ship the likes of video cards, modems, USB controllers and on and on for under £20 (and even under £10) - including a cut for everyone along the way that handles it, then I'm sure MS, Adobe, Symantec and the like could do the same for a lousy CD carrying a disclaimer that the product doesn't promise to do anything at all (even work).
Good post and a very salient (that means accurate to you bubbas) point. I am into doing the graphics thing myself and the cost of top software is prohibitive, to say the least!! My Thai son is in a new rock band called "7DDT" and the studio songs and videos they have done are not being produced on CD. It is all for download - ie. music video, ring tones etc. as to stop the pirating and get some return for their time and hard work. I think this will be the "way of the future". Check out this "youtube" link as an example(my son is the first on the left)....sorry mods - bit of free promo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGfdczM9MQ8
Edited by newtronbom, 2009-11-06 08:42:06.
Posted 2009-11-06 08:44:45
malcolmswaine, on 2009-11-05 19:52:53, said: Topic aside, that's one bad-ass ER diagram in the headline picture 
Yeah, he is IT manager ! Looks like a gangsta for me )
Posted 2009-11-06 08:53:11
It is at times like these I am happy that I use Linux and Open Source software
However I have noticed that when they Cyber guys come around our area, all shops and businesses seem to have closed for the day, all windows and shutters closed...
On a legal point, I would think that if all computers in a company are owned by the employees; for example everyone has a laptop financed by the company in part but owned by employee, everything on the computer including all programs and data is the property of the employee. In this case the company should not have any responsibility at all for what is on each employees computer, I think? Also in this case the company have no rights or responsibilities over the content in the computer?
Posted 2009-11-06 08:58:33
crocodilexp, on 2009-11-06 00:20:54, said: foxxx, on 2009-11-05 05:05:58, said: what a joke.
bust the companies paying taxes and employing tax paying staff, and let all the other filth slide.
What a joke. Why pursue a thief while you're letting other things slide? Just let him make away with the loot, he'll use it to feed his family and pay sales tax eventually.
Honestly, individual piracy is somewhat excusable, but when an investment company does it... not much sympathy. They're making their money by operating within a regulated environment, so they should respect laws as well.
Well said. I wonder why it took so long for anyone to point out this obvious fact. Legal software is part of the cost of doing business, and with the free alternatives pointed out here already, there is absolutely no excuse for a business to steal from another business. And why would a serious business rely on a Panthip made computer anyway? If the hardware is mission critical then the smart move is to buy brand name computers which at least all come with an OEM OS installed.
To whoever said that the buyer cannot know whether his software is real or pirated: Duh! Look for the MS license sticker, manuals, original installation media, warranties... pretending to be dumb will and should not get you off the hook. I'm not saying you're pretending.
Posted 2009-11-06 09:04:41
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