Posted 2009-11-17 18:33:30
We wrote an article on thailawonline about the Yellow book. Not sure if I can post links here...here it is:
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The Thai house book which is also known as "Ta Bian Ban" is an official document which mentions the details of the individuals who resides in a house. It doesn't say who is the owner of the house, but shows the house "holder(s)" and "resident(s)".
Most of Thai people have a Ta bien ban as a proof of residence. It is an important book for Thais and it is needed by a person while transferring anything officially. For example, if anyone wants to register his ownership of a vehicle then this book will be very useful because it will be needed in the department of transport for the registration process and for transportation purposes as well. But in the case of foreigners if they do not posses this book then they can show the letter of their address proof provided by the local office of immigration. We call this document a " certificate of residence".
A Thai employer will also often ask the Ta bian ban of a future Thai employee. If you translate word by word Thai to English "Ta bian" means "registration" and "Ban" means "house". So, it's a "house registration book".
Thailand has 2 types of house registration books:
1) The blue Ta Bien Bahn (Thor.Ror.14) for Thai nationals*
Example of blue house book
* There is one exception, foreigners having permanent residency can be in a blue house book according to article 44 of the Central office registration rules (year 2535)
Click here to get an English translation of a typical page in a blue book.
2) The yellow Ta Bien Bahn (To.Ro.13) for foreigners.
 Example of Yellow Ta bien ban
The house book should not be mistakenly taken as a legal documentation pertaining to ownership. This document states the house "holder" and people "residing" in the property. It's done in accordance with the registration Act of 2534 (1991), and the modifications of this Law in 2551 (2008).
The application for this document is done individually at the local registration office, called Amphur (or Khet in Bangkok). Application of house books are mostly done by builders, developers or architects constructing your house. The price to get this book is not very high, but you have to go through certain procedures.
Even if there is a national regulation for obtaining the yellow house book, each district can have their own rules. You will have to show relevant proofs of identity, which may include pictures. Most Amphur will require a letter from your Embassy stating that you are residing in Thailand but some don't! So you should call the local administration office to ask them the documents required before making an application if you do it yourself.
For foreigners, this book can be used to get a Thai driving license or you want to purchase a car. You can use it while applying for an extension of visa. But it's not necessary and a certificate of immigrate can replace it.
Edited by Isaanlawyers, 2009-11-19 16:38:39.
Posted 2009-11-17 20:47:34
There is a piined thread here on Thaivisa - probably worth reposting there and letting this thread die.
http://www.thaivisa....hn-t156485.html
However your post, whilst very helpful, is not actually totally accurate.
As a Farang/Farang couple we have a blue house book and indeed the Chanott ti din (often called a Chanott, Chanote or Chanoot).
This is because we own a freehold Farang quota (49% of the saleable space in a condominium may be bought by Farangs) unit in a condominium. This gives us a % share of all the condominium's assets, including the land.
The blue book does not contain our names only the address, this may be because we are Farang. Our names however are on the all the critical Chanott ti din. The Chanott ti din is the critical document for a Farang who owns a condominium (along with the blue house book).
Edited by pkrv, 2009-11-17 21:05:55.
Posted 2009-11-18 08:22:20
pkrv, you are correct, you can get a blue housebook for your condo. However, as you state yourself, your names are not in there!
Hence you cannot use that blue book for example to register a car in your name.
The yellow book does contain your name and address, and as such can be used for most registration purposes (car, driver license, I even know of somebody who got waived he requirement to hold a work permit while getting a post paid AIS mobile phone account).
Posted 2009-11-18 18:25:59
the information posted is incorrect.
the blue tambien baan is for permanent residents of Thailand. It is not restricted to only Thais. I have one as do many of my expatriate freinds who live here. I find it very useful.
Posted 2009-11-18 18:31:18
 pkrv, on 2009-11-17 21:47:34, said:
There is a piined thread here on Thaivisa - probably worth reposting there and letting this thread die.
http://www.thaivisa....hn-t156485.html
However your post, whilst very helpful, is not actually totally accurate.
As a Farang/Farang couple we have a blue house book and indeed the Chanott ti din (often called a Chanott, Chanote or Chanoot).
This is because we own a freehold Farang quota (49% of the saleable space in a condominium may be bought by Farangs) unit in a condominium. This gives us a % share of all the condominium's assets, including the land.
The blue book does not contain our names only the address, this may be because we are Farang. Our names however are on the all the critical Chanott ti din. The Chanott ti din is the critical document for a Farang who owns a condominium (along with the blue house book).
Not quite correct if you are a resident of Thailand you have your own blue book with your own name in it.
Posted 2009-11-18 19:34:50
antony77, on 2009-11-18 11:31:18, said: pkrv, on 2009-11-17 21:47:34, said: There is a piined thread here on Thaivisa - probably worth reposting there and letting this thread die.
http://www.thaivisa....hn-t156485.html
However your post, whilst very helpful, is not actually totally accurate.
As a Farang/Farang couple we have a blue house book and indeed the Chanott ti din (often called a Chanott, Chanote or Chanoot).
This is because we own a freehold Farang quota (49% of the saleable space in a condominium may be bought by Farangs) unit in a condominium. This gives us a % share of all the condominium's assets, including the land.
The blue book does not contain our names only the address, this may be because we are Farang. Our names however are on the all the critical Chanott ti din. The Chanott ti din is the critical document for a Farang who owns a condominium (along with the blue house book).
Not quite correct if you are a resident of Thailand you have your own blue book with your own name in it.
We are not residents of Thailand we come over on just a tourist visa, perhaps here just 30 days a year. The blue book is really about the freehold ownership of land which you own as % share in a condominium.
So when I recently tried and succeeded in upgrading my Bangkok Bank passbook savings account (long story detailed here)
http://www.thaivisa....nd-t260738.html
for internet banking - Sure the blue book was of some use, but the bank wanted and photocopied the Chanott ti din, because this has our names on it - This photocopying is in itself a tricky task it's a very large piece of brown parchment paper slightly larger than American legal size.
As non residents we have a blue book.
It was interesting when questioned at the bank why we did not have a yellow book - I simply stated that Farangs could not own Land/Houses in Thailand, the yellow book is more for things like leasehold/company ownership that kind of thing.
Sorry I also said that the yellow book was not as strong/valuable as the blue book because the blue book and Chanott ti din show we own the freehold. This argument was accepted and as a tourist we now have internet banking at Bangkok Bank, or will when we fly back over at Christmas and pick up the PIN which is delivered by post!
Are you saying if you are resident or Thai your name is in the blue book for a condominium? And at some future date we may have to have our blue book updated for example for an OA O 1 year visa?
Edited by pkrv, 2009-11-18 19:44:47.
Posted 2009-11-18 19:58:45
monty, on 2009-11-18 01:22:20, said: pkrv, you are correct, you can get a blue housebook for your condo. However, as you state yourself, your names are not in there!
Hence you cannot use that blue book for example to register a car in your name.
The yellow book does contain your name and address, and as such can be used for most registration purposes (car, driver license, I even know of somebody who got waived he requirement to hold a work permit while getting a post paid AIS mobile phone account).
Hi Monty are you saying it is handy to get a yellow book as well  ?
Posted 2009-11-18 23:16:16
I'm a little confused with the posts from farangs who say they have a Blue Book. My confusion follows: Is Your "Name" Contained in the Blue Book or Only Your Residence Address? It sounds like only your residence is listed and not your name. If so, wihout your name being listed in the Blue Book it creates limatation on use as you have to show other documents to related your name to the Blue Book. No doubt it provides benefits; just asking for clarification if your "Name" is also listed in the Blue Book. Thanks.
Edited by Pib, 2009-11-18 23:26:09.
Posted 2009-11-18 23:40:15
Pib, on 2009-11-18 16:16:16, said: I'm a little confused with the posts from farangs who say they have a Blue Book. My confusion follows: Is Your "Name" Contained in the Blue Book or Only Your Residence Address? It sounds like only your residence is listed and not your name. If so, wihout your name being listed in the Blue Book it creates limatation on use as you have to show other documents to related your name to the Blue Book. No doubt it provides benefits; just asking for clarification if your "Name" is also listed in the Blue Book. Thanks.
No problem I actually got it wrong the first time I looked at this - and there is no problem with this. We are looking at some very differnt issues:
House/Land ownership - I am no expert in this, there are other better posters - But I think if you are Farang or have a Thai partner then the yellow book is where you will end up. If you are Thai then it is a blue book (you can obviously own the freehold of the house/land its your country, Farangs can't)
Condominium - I can advise first hand - We are a Farang/Farang couple we own the freehold of our unit in the condominium - so blue book for us.
One thing I don't understand yet is if you are Thai does your name appear in the Blue book for a condominium? (as opposed to house/land?). For Farangs (definitly) the Chanott ti din is the core document, for a condominium.
Edited by pkrv, 2009-11-19 00:09:39.
Posted 2009-11-19 00:13:34
Very confusing here
Blue book: Thai National and Permanent Resident are allowed to be namely registered
As a owner you are entitled to have one but your name will not appear (PKRV can you confirm that our names are not in it? unless it has changed in the recent years)
Yellow book: All other Nationals owning a condo (as one is not allowed to own anything else). Go to the Ket, bring along your Chanote and two Thai witnesses to state that you stay there
The Blue book points at the Chief of the Household and it is irrelevant whether one owns or rents the placce
Posted 2009-11-19 00:33:03
alyx, on 2009-11-18 17:13:34, said: Very confusing here
Blue book: Thai National and Permanent Resident are allowed to be namely registered
As a owner you are entitled to have one but your name will not appear (PKRV can you confirm that our names are not in it? unless it has changed in the recent years)
Yellow book: All other Nationals owning a condo (as one is not allowed to own anything else). Go to the Ket, bring along your Chanote and two Thai witnesses to state that you stay there
The Blue book points at the Chief of the Household and it is irrelevant whether one owns or rents the placce
I only speak from a Farang owned condominium perspective thats it! It does not have our names in it.
We have our blue book - some odd things can happen in Thailand - BUT Farang/Thai partnership yellow book - Blue book for Farangs - condominiums only... formally Confirmed - names not in it Confirmed by Bangkok Bank Head office (when opening an account)
Edited by pkrv, 2009-11-19 00:54:58.
Posted 2009-11-19 00:47:44
alyx, on 2009-11-18 17:13:34, said: Very confusing here
Blue book: Thai National and Permanent Resident are allowed to be namely registered
As a owner you are entitled to have one but your name will not appear (PKRV can you confirm that our names are not in it? unless it has changed in the recent years)
Yellow book: All other Nationals owning a condo (as one is not allowed to own anything else). Go to the Ket, bring along your Chanote and two Thai witnesses to state that you stay there
The Blue book points at the Chief of the Household and it is irrelevant whether one owns or rents the placce
I have just realised are you renting/leasing?
Posted 2009-11-19 01:05:18
The blue can only ever have Thai nationals inside, although you can own one as a foreigner, you cannot put your name inside. This is done with the yellow book
Posted 2009-11-19 02:02:35
Forkinhades, on 2009-11-18 18:05:18, said: The blue can only ever have Thai nationals inside, although you can own one as a foreigner, you cannot put your name inside. This is done with the yellow book
Sorry for this for condos only, and for Farangs only - let us be specific here - I can manover in Thailand with the core document the Chanott ti din, because this has our names on it - it's a very large piece of brown parchment paper slightly larger than American legal size, and is the true representation of our property in Thailand.
For Farang condo owners the Blue book is an asside it is the Chanott ti din,that counts. Can anyone confirm if Thais can put their name in the blue book for a condominium? Farangs can't.
Posted 2009-11-19 02:27:06
correct your grammar and we might understand what you are talking about.
Only Thai nationals can go inside a 'blue' house or condo book
Yellow book is for foreigners
Posted 2009-11-19 03:08:58
Forkinhades, on 2009-11-18 19:27:06, said: correct your grammar and we might understand what you are talking about.
Only Thai nationals can go inside a 'blue' house or condo book
Yellow book is for foreigners
So if I have a blue book you are wrong?
Posted 2009-11-19 10:11:06
Thanks for the clarifications.
If I'm reading above half dozen or so posts correctly, while a farang may have Blue Book due to a condo purchase, the farang's name "will not" appear in the Blue Book. Basically, the Blue Book is just confirming the address of the purchased residence and the farang will need to show other documents to related his name to the residence/Blue Book.
But if you are a farang and have a Yellow Book your name "will" appear in the book (which I can confirm as I have a Yellow Book).
Thanks again for the clarifying posts which confirmed a farang's name is "not" in the Blue Book which they get through a condo purchase.
Posted 2009-11-19 11:32:08
This is correct PIB
To be more specific:
I own a condo( that is to answer pkrv who is actually saying the same)
1) I have a yellow book with my name in it (I CANNOT HAVE A BLUE BOOK IN MY NAME: this is actually why they came up with the yellow book)
2) My lifepartner is Thai: A blue book (on the same address) has been issued with my partner's name in it. The Blue book, again, is aimed at naming the household master and the dependants (THAI only)
Posted 2009-11-19 16:26:34
alyx, on 2009-11-19 04:32:08, said: This is correct PIB
To be more specific:
I own a condo( that is to answer pkrv who is actually saying the same)
1) I have a yellow book with my name in it (I CANNOT HAVE A BLUE BOOK IN MY NAME: this is actually why they came up with the yellow book)
2) My lifepartner is Thai: A blue book (on the same address) has been issued with my partner's name in it. The Blue book, again, is aimed at naming the household master and the dependants (THAI only)
Thank you alyx - that was a very helpfull post  .
Because we are a Farang/Farang relationship I did not know for certain what would happen with the blue book for a condo when a Thai national was a part of the purchase.
So to confirm:
If you are Farang or a Farang/Farang partnership and own a freehold condominium - Yes you will get a blue book but your name(s) is/are not in this - Your name(s) is/are on the Chanott ti din - and this can be used for bank accounts etc (we have tested this with Bangkok Banks head office)
If you are Thai or a Thai/Thai partnership and own a condominium your name(s) is/are in the blue book.
If you are a Farang/Thai partnership The Farang can have a yellow house book and the Thai a blue house book - both with the names on them. I assume in this case too the Chanott ti din is the core document because it will have both names on it.
I may consider requesting Juristic to see if it possible to also obtain us a yellow house book, but this is only for convienience. I think Beentheredonethat has gone down this route I will PM him and see if he can add anything.
Posted 2009-11-19 16:41:00
Sorry for the confusion. We added one sentence to our article:
For the blue book:
* There is one exception, foreigners having permanent residency can be in a blue house book according to article 44 of the Central office registration rules (year 2535).
I'm trying to upload these rules in Thai (I haven't seen them in English) but I have Internet problems today.
You can google in Thai:
ระเบียบสำนักทะเบียนกลาง ว่าด้วยการจัดทำทะเบียนราษฎร
พ.ศ. ๒๕๓๕
Posted 2009-11-19 16:59:03
Forkinhades, on 2009-11-18 19:27:06, said: correct your grammar and we might understand what you are talking about.
Only Thai nationals can go inside a 'blue' house or condo book
Yellow book is for foreigners
Foreigners with permanent residency have to go into the blue book as part of the issuance of their PR papers.
Foreigners without PR, go into the yellow book.
just to throw everyone off though, Arkady, one of the more respected memebers here when it comes to all things government recently stated (without explaining) that it is now possible for foreigners to go onto the blue book. Will be inteterested to see if he can expand on this issue at some point.
Posted 2009-11-19 17:13:12
pkrv, on 2009-11-19 16:26:34, said: alyx, on 2009-11-19 04:32:08, said: This is correct PIB
To be more specific:
I own a condo( that is to answer pkrv who is actually saying the same)
1) I have a yellow book with my name in it (I CANNOT HAVE A BLUE BOOK IN MY NAME: this is actually why they came up with the yellow book)
2) My lifepartner is Thai: A blue book (on the same address) has been issued with my partner's name in it. The Blue book, again, is aimed at naming the household master and the dependants (THAI only)
Thank you alyx - that was a very helpfull post .
I may consider requesting Juristic to see if it possible to also obtain us a yellow house book, but this is only for convienience. I think Beentheredonethat has gone down this route I will PM him and see if he can add anything.
Hi pkrv, I agree to the comments by alyx whose experience seems very similar to to that of my own.
Regarding yellow tabien-baan, the Condo Juristic Person Office is unlikely to be able to assist. You will need to apply in person at your local District Office ("Khet", if you are in Bangkok). There is a pinned thread with details on how to apply.
Edited by mark5335, 2009-11-19 17:17:36.
Posted 2009-11-19 17:15:41
Isaanlawyers, on 2009-11-19 09:41:00, said: Sorry for the confusion. We added one sentence to our article:
For the blue book:
* There is one exception, foreigners having permanent residency can be in a blue house book according to article 44 of the Central office registration rules (year 2535).
I'm trying to upload these rules in Thai (I haven't seen them in English) but I have Internet problems today.
You can google in Thai:
ระเบียบสำนักทะเบียนกลาง ว่าด้วยการจัดทำทะเบียนราษฎร
พ.ศ. ๒๕๓๕
Thank you 'Isaanlawyers' for a very interesting thread - I too may have thrown in some confusion, but I think it is because we are an unusual case.
We are Farangs but are not resident, we are on a tourist visa but still have a blue book - our names are not in this book. I am guessing that the reason is that we are freeholders (you can be with a Farang quota condominium). However I suspect that some people scratched their heads wondering what type of book to give us
Given the nature of the company we bought our condo from I suspect they pulled out all the stops and argued for a blue book not a yellow book.
Edited by pkrv, 2009-11-19 17:26:26.
Posted 2009-11-19 23:38:57
When you buy a condo apartment, where do you get your Chanott ti din? Or your Blue Book, for that matter?
Posted 2009-11-20 00:00:59
coralia, on 2009-11-19 16:38:57, said: When you buy a condo apartment, where do you get your Chanott ti din? Or your Blue Book, for that matter?
Good question - for us we bought off the plan so it was all dealt with.
However I do not have a clue as to the process if you buy in the secondary condominium/resale market. But there have been quite a few on TV who have  .
Edited by pkrv, 2009-11-20 00:17:46.
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