We all know what goes on here...its stupid as, as stupid isnt. Someone somewhere knows the details and they are being made to keep silent. typical day in paradise. And the powers that be ( paper editors) know more than they are letting on. As I said just another day in our (their) beautiful city.
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Press Censorship In PattayaSerious Foreigner-related Stories Unreported
Started by sharecropper, 2009-11-18 08:24
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Asian Fetish Posted 2009-11-19 01:37:19
We don't have any details on what precisely happened to this girl or how it happened.
This makes the whole story suspicious. The papers normally would pay a good price for a story full of disgusting details, but no... no story. Strange? #28
Advanced Member Posted 2009-11-19 14:57:35
Cockroaches’ arrested in Walking Street rape of British woman
Boonlua Chatree / Pattaya Mail Police have arrested two Thai men who allegedly raped and robbed a 25-year-old British woman after dragging her off Walking Street only 20 meters from a Tourist Police box. Krajon Senkam, 29, and Surasak Kovekasan, 20, allegedly grabbed the woman in the early hours of Saturday morning as she was exiting a bar where she’d been drinking with friends. Too drunk too resist, she told police the men dragged her into the Thaithong Inn where they raped her then stole an ATM card, cash and valuables. At the victim’s request, the attack was not disclosed by police until it was reported in a U.K. newspaper Tuesday. Officers obliged as it not only damages Pattaya’s reputation but because it occurred so close to where officers were stationed. Both men were charged with rape and theft. The victim said they took her bank card, 3,000 baht, a bracelet worth about 5,500 baht and a digital camera worth 8,000 baht. Police told the U.K. newspaper that the suspects were found quickly as they are were known in the area, calling them maeng da, a Thai phrase literally translating to “cockroaches” and used to describe jobless men who live off the proceeds of their prostitute girlfriends. Edited by Pattaya Diver, 2009-11-19 14:59:10. #29
Senior Member Posted 2009-11-19 15:00:25
They dragged her off walking street into a hotel?
Huh? #30
Advanced Member Posted 2009-11-19 16:07:36
Way I read it is she stumbles out of bar drunk, they offer to "help" her and take her in hotel.
The same thing happened to that girl down in Samui a couple years ago. Thai guys literally took her out of hte bar under the guise of helping her. #31
Advanced Member Posted 2009-11-20 10:12:58
They could, but they won't. The recent debacle of the Aussie con artist with alleged links to Niels Colov went unreported except in the Pattaya Times, the recent rape, etc. etc. Let's face it, the Oz con man fleeced expats out of millions and his subsequent arrest, imprisonment, bail, fleeing the country would make a decent movie Except in a very rare case, they local press are all tools of the real estate mafias and are actually too happy to fall into line with the administration's request that they tone down their reporting, lest it show Pattay in a bad light. Check out this site and I think you will find some answers to your questions http://www.skalpattaya.org/ have a look at the members and the exec committee. #32
Super Member Posted 2009-11-20 11:30:30
moddeydhoo - and why does Skal get up your nose? this is a professional (international) organisation - maybe you don't like some of the members but you cannot write them up as being in control of Pattaya!! Maybe you should actually find out what Skal is about before making inane statements.
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Senior Member Posted 2009-11-20 11:44:34
There are a number of people who "control" Pattaya,but as far as i'm concerned nobody in that organisation is one of them.You must be slightly deluded if you think Mr Burns controls this place.His power is in his own mind.If he steps out of line he can be easilly removed,as can all of us who are not Thai nationals.
Edited by Dpolenz, 2009-11-20 11:45:41. #34
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Advanced Member Posted 2009-11-20 13:19:12
moddeydhoo - and why does Skal get up your nose? this is a professional (international) organisation - maybe you don't like some of the members but you cannot write them up as being in control of Pattaya!! Maybe you should actually find out what Skal is about before making inane statements. aussiechick, I think you have got the wrong end of the stick. I have nothing at all against the organisation. I was pertaining to the members and a potential conflict of interest..... On second thoughts forget it. I thought the definition of a forum was as follows fo·rum (fôr′əm, fō′rəm) noun pl. forums -·rums or fora -·ra (-ə) 1. the public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city or town, where legal and political business was conducted 2. a law court; tribunal 3. 1. an assembly, place, radio program, etc. for the discussion of public matters or current questions 2. an opportunity for open discussion It would appear that the last part does not seem to apply here as anyone who wants to openly discuss their opinions are either slated by pseudo intellectuals, ridiculed or restricted by 'forum rules'. You may note that I do not contribute a great deal on these forums as much as say you do, the reason being I find most of the topics banal to say the least and when a decent topic does present itself my opinion is that the heavy posters try and bully other posters off the topic. Just to get back on topic we are talking about censorship, well maybe its not only the press. #36
Senior Member Posted 2009-11-20 22:20:48
I have just found out the arrest of the two men happened on 12th November and the woman was adamant that she did not want a fuss over the story. She wanted to return to UK as quickly as possible. She is now in UK and with no one willing to proceed with the case, the two men will likely be released with no charge. Apparently the alleged rape occurred somewhere on Walking Street. Talking with Mr. Drummond I have found out that he received the report from a local Thai Reporter who seems to have kept it quiet from other local Thai Reporters. Also the officer in charge of the case tried to keep it quiet because he thought the story would cause Pattaya a lot of harm. The UK Foreign Office were also not informed of the case. I understand the woman left for the UK very quickly after the "rape" took place. So thats that really....case closed. you wish no better confirmation of all the talk about you, your policing, ethics, and your products #37
Senior Member Posted 2009-11-20 22:24:13
If memory serves, the father was shouting about it for all to hear round the world. As was the mother back in the UK. As the Pattaya Mail story will point out, the rape victim's request was honored as the inicdent is both damaging to Pattya's image and embarassing to the police, as it happend so close to the Tourist Police box on Walking Street. BTW, the Mail is the best of the papers if for any other reason than they don't run photos of blood and dead bodies. ANd no "death and destruction" on the front page. Shame about its website, though. At the risk of subverting this thread, may I ask exactly how far from the Tourist Police Assistants' campervan this happened on Walking Street? And where were they when this went down - recharging their pacemakers? If you mean the Tourist Police Mobile Unit, we dealt with no cases of sexual assault of any kind last week. I would say that the statement that "the incident happened close to the Tourist Police Mobile Unit" is a bit misleading - was she assaulted in the street? I doubt it very much. Was she taken up one of the side roads (soi 14 or 15) and taken to a secluded area and assaulted? A little more possible but surely her screams would have alerted someone. Was she taken to a hotel room or a private room close to the Mobile Unit and assaulted? The most plausable theory. Also, what time did the assault take place as we are gone by 2.30am? Without more details on this case, it is hard for me to comment more, Apparently Mr. Drummond worked off a Police Report which was made on the case. I would like to see this report before commenting further. is this statement made in official quality, and does it include the expression "rape" thereby questioning the credibility of the victim? #38
Senior Member Posted 2009-11-20 22:26:38
I have just found out the arrest of the two men happened on 12th November and the woman was adamant that she did not want a fuss over the story. She wanted to return to UK as quickly as possible. She is now in UK and with no one willing to proceed with the case, the two men will likely be released with no charge. Apparently the alleged rape occurred somewhere on Walking Street. Talking with Mr. Drummond I have found out that he received the report from a local Thai Reporter who seems to have kept it quiet from other local Thai Reporters. Also the officer in charge of the case tried to keep it quiet because he thought the story would cause Pattaya a lot of harm. The UK Foreign Office were also not informed of the case. I understand the woman left for the UK very quickly after the "rape" took place. So thats that really....case closed. you wish no better confirmation of all the talk about you, your policing, ethics, and your products Edited by Dpolenz, 2009-11-20 22:27:14. #39
curmudgeonly misanthropic nonpat Posted 2009-11-20 22:46:40
If there was a powerful unbiased news organization like CNN, BBC, etc. and a hoard of paparrazi, then all the shady officials in Thailand would be exposed. Being able to keep the public uninformed is one way to control the people.  Being able to keep the public MISINFORMED is one way to control the people. It's worked in your case. Actually, it works in most cases - across the board. Social engineering, distractions, disinformation, omissions, censorship, etc are quite common as related to info absorbtion. #40
Platinum Member Posted 2009-11-20 23:06:56
If memory serves, the father was shouting about it for all to hear round the world. As was the mother back in the UK. As the Pattaya Mail story will point out, the rape victim's request was honored as the inicdent is both damaging to Pattya's image and embarassing to the police, as it happend so close to the Tourist Police box on Walking Street. BTW, the Mail is the best of the papers if for any other reason than they don't run photos of blood and dead bodies. ANd no "death and destruction" on the front page. Shame about its website, though. At the risk of subverting this thread, may I ask exactly how far from the Tourist Police Assistants' campervan this happened on Walking Street? And where were they when this went down - recharging their pacemakers? If you mean the Tourist Police Mobile Unit, we dealt with no cases of sexual assault of any kind last week. I would say that the statement that "the incident happened close to the Tourist Police Mobile Unit" is a bit misleading - was she assaulted in the street? I doubt it very much. Was she taken up one of the side roads (soi 14 or 15) and taken to a secluded area and assaulted? A little more possible but surely her screams would have alerted someone. Was she taken to a hotel room or a private room close to the Mobile Unit and assaulted? The most plausable theory. Also, what time did the assault take place as we are gone by 2.30am? Without more details on this case, it is hard for me to comment more, Apparently Mr. Drummond worked off a Police Report which was made on the case. I would like to see this report before commenting further. is this statement made in official quality, and does it include the expression "rape" thereby questioning the credibility of the victim? One report I read said the rape happened at 12.30 when the Tourist Helpers WERE on duty. So how did she report it. Did she walk off Walking street up to Soi 9? Why not go to the TP campervan. I am not trying to be controversial. Just to understand what happened that night. But (now I am being controversial) I am also wondering if professional, Thai policing (ok an oxymoron I know) would be a better visible, armed deterrent to crime up Walking Street than having people like the 2 old Dad's Army type TPV/A?H (whatever) blokes I saw recently wheezing up Walking Street looking like they were about to croak. They could man a booth called "Tourist Assistance" dealing with non-policing, tourist-facing issues, or for translating and helping the proper police when asked. Also what happened to that cocky guy who CS gassed the ladyboys. Is he still strutting his stuff, or was he drummed out of the service? And another serious question - do people have to pass a medical to join the TPV/A/H? I seriously doubt the people I have seen recently corpsing up there would have passed any kind of medical except a pulse test. Surely there have to be some standards for recruitment than just knowing a news proprietor. (not you Howard, but someone - anybody - else). #41
Senior Member Posted 2009-11-20 23:13:26
What about the guy who owned ingo's restraunt,He was kicked out of the Mickey mouse wanabee group and 6 months later got busted for selling Heroin.I am sure that he was selling when he was tpv also(he also was accused of trying to extort his fellow nationals }.Hm likes to surround himself with classy guys lol Oh and as far as that fool who assaulted a ladboy he is a slimeball.I could tell you some interesting things about that guy but Tv are paranoid about geting into trouble so i best not.
Edited by Dpolenz, 2009-11-20 23:17:53. #42
Senior Member Posted 2009-11-23 02:24:25
having seen dozens (or hundreds over the years?) of dead farangs exposed on TV, being killed in a crash, died from suicides in the broadest sense of the word, etc etc.
having seen criminals or suspects or drunk tourists paraded in front of a camera (incidentally more than once the policeman was/is running the tv channel) and so on the silence about the rape case has a lot to do with an established record and nothing with a concern for the victim and her wishes. to make such a statement i can only wonder how this person, not a trained journalist and like many others in pattaya assuming a false identity, can come to the mistaken belief that people with a minimal education could be impressed in any way by his blunder. #43
Senior Member Posted 2009-11-23 03:56:19
having seen dozens (or hundreds over the years?) of dead farangs exposed on TV, being killed in a crash, died from suicides in the broadest sense of the word, etc etc. having seen criminals or suspects or drunk tourists paraded in front of a camera (incidentally more than once the policeman was/is running the tv channel) and so on the silence about the rape case has a lot to do with an established record and nothing with a concern for the victim and her wishes. to make such a statement i can only wonder how this person, not a trained journalist and like many others in pattaya assuming a false identity, can come to the mistaken belief that people with a minimal education could be impressed in any way by his blunder. You're a strange one and I am starting to think your username is spot on. I will bite a little bit........I was not silenced, I simply did not get the story. Also, what is this about a false identity...are you mad? My name is Howard Miller and I am 36 years old. I have no other names or identities. Goodnight. #44
Global Hammer (Championship winners 2011-2012 season) Posted 2009-11-24 04:55:48
Ignore 'farangfool' hm, .......................he needs to get a reality check on life.
Edited by Phatcharanan, 2009-11-24 04:56:44. #45
Platinum Member Posted 2009-11-24 08:20:09
having seen dozens (or hundreds over the years?) of dead farangs exposed on TV, being killed in a crash, died from suicides in the broadest sense of the word, etc etc. having seen criminals or suspects or drunk tourists paraded in front of a camera (incidentally more than once the policeman was/is running the tv channel) and so on the silence about the rape case has a lot to do with an established record and nothing with a concern for the victim and her wishes. to make such a statement i can only wonder how this person, not a trained journalist and like many others in pattaya assuming a false identity, can come to the mistaken belief that people with a minimal education could be impressed in any way by his blunder. You're a strange one and I am starting to think your username is spot on. I will bite a little bit........I was not silenced, I simply did not get the story. Also, what is this about a false identity...are you mad? My name is Howard Miller and I am 36 years old. I have no other names or identities. Goodnight. Unfortunately Howard you fall foul of being tarred with: (a) peoples' general dislike of some of the form and function of the TPAs, even when they are reckoned to actually perform some useful benefits and - much worse- (  "other" notorious newspaper proprietors who like to parade their police Assistant/volunteer-related activities. Most people that know you or meet you actually like you or respect you, which, given the range of your business activities and the length of time you have been in Pattaya is something you can be happy with, and your contributions on here often add a useful insight (when you aren't having to defend yourself that is). Other media owners cannot have the same thing said of them. #46
Advanced Member Posted 2009-11-24 10:15:29
this all reads like a government conspiracy theory, you believe they are smart, organised and powerful enough to create a conspiracy, but too dumb to do anything else.
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Platinum Member Posted 2009-11-24 10:35:52
this all reads like a government conspiracy theory, you believe they are smart, organised and powerful enough to create a conspiracy, but too dumb to do anything else. I suspect you are just flashing your advertising icon around rather than trying to make insightful comments. Is this a breach of TV's advertising rules? Copyright Sharecropper Investments PLC - Invest with us to lose your last hard earned dollar. #48
Banjo Picking Member Posted 2009-11-24 11:57:32
this all reads like a government conspiracy theory, you believe they are smart, organised and powerful enough to create a conspiracy, but too dumb to do anything else. I suspect you are just flashing your advertising icon around rather than trying to make insightful comments. Is this a breach of TV's advertising rules? Copyright Sharecropper Investments PLC - Invest with us to lose your last hard earned dollar. ReThai is a sponsor #49
Platinum Member Posted 2009-11-24 12:15:37
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Advanced Member Posted 2009-11-24 14:44:45
why so hateful? it's a forum, i'm making a comment, i doubt my comment was no less insightful than any others on here... i'm bored sometimes and just want to say something to take a break from the day.
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