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[Nienke]

H1N1 Virus Can Be Killed by Acidic Ozone Water according Korean scientists.
See the article at:
http://www.physorg.c...s176991361.html

Edited by Nienke, 2009-11-20 18:03:41.

[londonthai]

as I believe ozoned water is not stable, especially in hot climates, like in thailand.

acidic water is extremely cheap (some 22 grams of hydrochloric acid to one ton of neutral water cost only a few baht, one ton of water is more expensive than the acid itself) - soap and ordinary tap water are as cheap and as effective, but the issue with this virus are not desinfectants (prevention by proper higiene is better than finding a cure), but effective medicines and vaccines. So far, those available vaccines are imperfect and tamiflu is a very expensive medicine.

[ballzafire]

Colloidal silver is another option.

[Jdietz]

Are those the same scientists claiming Kimchi heals most everything?

I'd go for slightly alkalic water created by using a bar of soap on it...

[Nienke]

Dunno about Kimchi, but two of the 3 scientists have done research about green tea:
http://www.biomedexperts.com/Profile.bme/1...04/Jae-Min_Song
Publications:
# 2007: Song Jae Min; Park Ki Duk; Lee Kwang Hee; Byun Young Ho; Park Ju Hee; Kim Sung Han; Kim Jae Hong; Seong Baik Lin
Biological evaluation of anti-influenza viral activity of semi-synthetic catechin derivatives.
Antiviral research 2007;76(2):178-85.
# 2007: Song Jae Min; Seong Baik Lin
Tea catechins as a potential alternative anti-infectious agent.
Expert review of anti-infective therapy 2007;5(3):497-506.
# 2006: Lee Kwang-Hee; Seo Sang-Uk; Song Jae-Min; Lee Chung-Min; Kim Hyun-Ah; Seong Baik L
Characterization of live influenza vaccine donor strain derived from cold-adaptation of X-31 virus.
Vaccine 2006;24(11):1966-74.
# 2005: Song Jae-Min; Lee Kwang-Hee; Seong Baik-Lin
Antiviral effect of catechins in green tea on influenza virus.
Antiviral research 2005;68(2):66-74.

[ukrules]

Reminds me of 'Four thieves vinegar', look it up.

[gmac]

londonthai, on 2009-11-20 20:03:47, said:

as I believe ozoned water is not stable, especially in hot climates, like in thailand.

acidic water is extremely cheap (some 22 grams of hydrochloric acid to one ton of neutral water cost only a few baht, one ton of water is more expensive than the acid itself) - soap and ordinary tap water are as cheap and as effective, but the issue with this virus are not desinfectants (prevention by proper higiene is better than finding a cure), but effective medicines and vaccines. So far, those available vaccines are imperfect and tamiflu is a very expensive medicine.

I bet it (tamiflu) costs next to nothing to produce, just major profits for the pharmaceutical company.

[hansnl]

gmac, on 2009-11-21 09:24:12, said:

londonthai, on 2009-11-20 20:03:47, said:

as I believe ozoned water is not stable, especially in hot climates, like in thailand.

acidic water is extremely cheap (some 22 grams of hydrochloric acid to one ton of neutral water cost only a few baht, one ton of water is more expensive than the acid itself) - soap and ordinary tap water are as cheap and as effective, but the issue with this virus are not desinfectants (prevention by proper higiene is better than finding a cure), but effective medicines and vaccines. So far, those available vaccines are imperfect and tamiflu is a very expensive medicine.

I bet it (tamiflu) costs next to nothing to produce, just major profits for the pharmaceutical company.

2 eurocent per dose

[noahvail]

ukrules, on 2009-11-20 22:28:08, said:

Reminds me of 'Four thieves vinegar', look it up.

I did look it up. Rather amazing, eh...what people would believe.

Mind you, my wife, who is a university educated social worker (or was, until she quit her 8-year job last year), is truly afraid of black magic, and the people who are alleged to use it. I don't deny her culture, but think that introducing the Four Thieves Vinegar might allay those fears. It's amazing how strong the mind can be.

I think I'll make up a batch, then have her read the website. Reckon it can't hurt

[Meridian007]

gmac, on 2009-11-21 09:24:12, said:

I bet it (tamiflu) costs next to nothing to produce, just major profits for the pharmaceutical company.

Yup, and look into who owns the company. I don't want to feed conspiracy theories, but there are some strange coincidences relating to former American government officials.

[noahvail]

Well, feed the conspiracy theories you have, if only by innuendo. So, which "company" are we supposed to look at - Gilead, who did the initial research into the medicine, or Roche, to whom Gilead sold the rights to the final development and testing of Tamiflu and to its distribution?

Rumsfeld, former Secretary of Defense, former US congressman, former many governmental posts, was also an astute business man. He mentored the doctor who started Gilead (the doc was only 25) and most of its income has been derived through the purchase of other pharmaceutical companies. So, when Rumsfeld was elected Chairman during a stint away from the government, his stock value went up - which means he was compensated for being a good business man. As per federal law, once Rumsfeld went back into the government, he had to put all his holdings into a blind trust; he couldn't have anything to do with decisions concerning those holdings.

Or, maybe we should look at Roche. Roche is a huge multi-national pharmaceutical company. So, let's look at the board of directors of the parent company. Nope, not one American among them. The only thing Roche might be accused of is having what's known as interlocking directorates with other companies. But, of course, all companies of that size have interlocking directorates. And the vast majority of those companies connected to Roche by directors is in Europe.

I'm sure we could find a whole bunch of governmental officials who own stock...just like you can, too.

So...don't just take a potshot, give us exact information.

And then tell us please how this relates to Thailand.

[swifty5x5]

[Sheryl]

The research refers to its use as a topical disinfectant. So it would be an alternative to say the hand sanitizer sprays being sold. A means of reducing the spread of the infection.


In no way an alternative to Tamiflu which is used for people who have already ciontacted the infection.

For that matter plain water and soap does a pretty good job in reducing risk of not only H1N1 but a host of other diseases.