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[dr_Pat_Pong]

YoonHualaan, on 2009-11-24 07:36:29, said:

Love him or hate him, you have to respect him for his tenacity and willpower.

The real loser are the Thai people via the Abhisit government, which is stubbornly running around in circles, accomplishing absolutely nothing in terms of national reconciliation.

Simple fact of the matter is Thaksin will remain highly influential to millions of Thais for years to come.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

YoonHualaan, on 2009-11-24 07:36:29, said:

Love him or hate him, you have to respect him for his tenacity and willpower.

The real loser are the Thai people via the Abhisit government, which is stubbornly running around in circles, accomplishing absolutely nothing in terms of national reconciliation.

Simple fact of the matter is Thaksin will remain highly influential to millions of Thais for years to come.

A tourist returns.  

[maahuanao]

Kitsch22, on 2009-11-24 19:40:01, said:

mahtin, on 2009-11-24 10:48:46, said:

Kitsch22, on 2009-11-24 11:02:32, said:

Samuian, on 2009-11-24 04:38:12, said:

What did he do that he has the face to compare himself with Nelson Mandela or even Aung San Sui Kyi?

Achieved resounding victory in popular election(s).

Semantics perhaps, but I see a difference between achieving and buying.

Such is always the response of those who are outraged that a vote can be given in return for a politician's cash but happily accept that it can be given in return for a politician's lies.

When a Thai sells his vote, who is cheated? Nobody. When a popular political party is disbanded and disqualified for doing what its opponents were also doing, who is cheated? Everybody.

The comparison question could just as well have been answered: "He was declared a criminal by a kangaroo court set up by a totalitarian and undemocratic regime" - as was Mandela; as was Aung San Su Kyi.

Everybody knows that Taksin is a corrupt self-serving politician, but the way correspondents on TV queue up to support the Generals and their works is nothing short of sickening.

Totally agree.

[YoonHualaan]

dr_Pat_Pong, on 2009-11-25 03:08:52, said:

[dr_Pat_Pong]

YoonHualaan, on 2009-11-25 05:58:03, said:

dr_Pat_Pong, on 2009-11-25 03:08:52, said:

PACK. Banned returnees are unwelcome.

[YoonHualaan]

I am a new member, not a banned member

[dr_Pat_Pong]

YoonHualaan, on 2009-11-25 06:03:00, said:

I am a new member, not a banned member

You are not a new member. no avatar this time ?

[Jingthing]

YoonHualaan, on 2009-11-24 06:36:29, said:

Love him or hate him, you have to respect him for his tenacity and willpower.

The real loser are the Thai people via the Abhisit government, which is stubbornly running around in circles, accomplishing absolutely nothing in terms of national reconciliation.

Simple fact of the matter is Thaksin will remain highly influential to millions of Thais for years to come.

No, we don't have to respect him. Why is he so tenacious and strong willed? To serve the Thai people and promote democracy or to grab his ill gotten riches back and wipe out his legal problem, not caring about the severe instability he has created in his country?

[YoonHualaan]

dr_Pat_Pong, on 2009-11-25 03:54:37, said:

YoonHualaan, on 2009-11-25 06:03:00, said:

I am a new member, not a banned member

You are not a new member. no avatar this time ?

What is an avatar?

[dr_Pat_Pong]

YoonHualaan, on 2009-11-25 05:20:41, said:

Jingthing, on 2009-11-25 03:55:11, said:

Why is he so tenacious and strong willed?

In his fight for justice (he was outsted in a coup and from then on everything was constructed to bring about his ruin).

So love him or hate him, you have to respect his tenacity in the face of injustice, most others would have rolled over and capitulated to the so called 'elite' bullies by now.

I thought that even very low grade minor academics could spell OUSTED.  

[YoonHualaan]

oh jesus i have a stalker already.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

YoonHualaan, on 2009-11-25 06:32:15, said:

oh jesus i have a stalker already.

Once the Ban button is pressed ( again ) you'll be a continent away and out of harms way.   Pob gun mai na.

[phetaroi]

Kitsch22, on 2009-11-24 15:40:01, said:

When a Thai sells his vote, who is cheated? Nobody. When a popular political party is disbanded and disqualified for doing what its opponents were also doing, who is cheated? Everybody.

The comparison question could just as well have been answered: "He was declared a criminal by a kangaroo court set up by a totalitarian and undemocratic regime" - as was Mandela; as was Aung San Su Kyi.

Everybody knows that Taksin is a corrupt self-serving politician, but the way correspondents on TV queue up to support the Generals and their works is nothing short of sickening.

I'm sorry, but I disagree.  When someone sells his vote, the whole nation is cheated.  Depending on who is buying the vote, the voter is saying, "I don't care if this candidate will work for the good of the people and the nation, I'll help him win because he just gave me 4,000 baht.  If I had a choice between massive vote buying or a responsible military coup, I'd swallow hard and pick the latter.

[awd]

phetaroi, on 2009-11-25 06:42:23, said:

Kitsch22, on 2009-11-24 15:40:01, said:

When a Thai sells his vote, who is cheated? Nobody. When a popular political party is disbanded and disqualified for doing what its opponents were also doing, who is cheated? Everybody.

The comparison question could just as well have been answered: "He was declared a criminal by a kangaroo court set up by a totalitarian and undemocratic regime" - as was Mandela; as was Aung San Su Kyi.

Everybody knows that Taksin is a corrupt self-serving politician, but the way correspondents on TV queue up to support the Generals and their works is nothing short of sickening.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. When someone sells his vote, the whole nation is cheated. Depending on who is buying the vote, the voter is saying, "I don't care if this candidate will work for the good of the people and the nation, I'll help him win because he just gave me 4,000 baht. If I had a choice between massive vote buying or a responsible military coup, I'd swallow hard and pick the latter.

Good posts, and basically sums up the endless arguments on TV for years now.  Some people favor military coups and some flawed democracy.  To each his own, as far as we are concerned.  As for Thailand, it's guns and money politics, as usual, which currently favors Abhisit's employer.  As for the future, all things are impermanent.

[waza]

Jingthing, on 2009-11-23 13:24:17, said:

Yeah, but if all of his frozen assets are taken from him permanently and if he also receives many more years jail sentence, will he have both the drive and MOTIVATION to continue this fight?

and the funds.............My opinion is that he cant win without violence.  I equate win with his return to full control over Thailnad.  I just wonder how far he is prepared to go? Violent Civil unrest he is happy to create, but Civil war?, assasination?, invasion? Regicide?

[Kitsch22]

phetaroi, on 2009-11-24 23:42:23, said:

Kitsch22, on 2009-11-24 15:40:01, said:

When a Thai sells his vote, who is cheated? Nobody. When a popular political party is disbanded and disqualified for doing what its opponents were also doing, who is cheated? Everybody.

The comparison question could just as well have been answered: "He was declared a criminal by a kangaroo court set up by a totalitarian and undemocratic regime" - as was Mandela; as was Aung San Su Kyi.

Everybody knows that Taksin is a corrupt self-serving politician, but the way correspondents on TV queue up to support the Generals and their works is nothing short of sickening.

I'm sorry, but I disagree.  When someone sells his vote, the whole nation is cheated.  Depending on who is buying the vote, the voter is saying, "I don't care if this candidate will work for the good of the people and the nation, I'll help him win because he just gave me 4,000 baht.  If I had a choice between massive vote buying or a responsible military coup, I'd swallow hard and pick the latter.

(Allowing for the fact that this is a discussion between a couple of farangs neither of whom is entitled to vote in a Thai election) I take the view that the disposition of my vote is my business and not yours. There is no established criterion to guide me in the casting of my vote. "National Interest"? - Baloney! "Base Selfishness" - yes, that sounds about right, and entirely respectable. My wife gets to sell her vote (the payment comes from the party she would have voted for anyway) - some benefit to her. In UK I am offered only lies and subsequent betrayal by the politicians. "Putting one's money where one's mouth is" represents a positive and not a negative act.

I am afraid that your use of the expression "a responsible military coup" is a sad and stark revelation; have you really thought about the implications of your words? But General Pinochet would have embraced you warmly, no doubt. You are probably still mourning his passing.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

LawnGnome, on 2009-11-24 08:54:24, said:

Krimson, on 2009-11-23 21:21:46, said:

Just see the results of the poll. That Mr Thaksin has 30% support is absolutely fantastic given the constant brain washing from the local english press. One can expect a clear majority once a more balanced information will be available

Yes, but you and Koo jumping on all your different account names/incarnations to increase his sad percentage is rather less than fantastic.  lol

Krimson was a previously banned member and has taken his leave. He took pot shots at non Thai resident commentators for commenting, while he himself is a foreign resident. Now I'll look for Koo's rebirth/s.

[Jingthing]

dr_Pat_Pong, on 2009-11-25 05:26:15, said:

YoonHualaan, on 2009-11-25 05:20:41, said:

Jingthing, on 2009-11-25 03:55:11, said:

Why is he so tenacious and strong willed?

In his fight for justice (he was outsted in a coup and from then on everything was constructed to bring about his ruin).

So love him or hate him, you have to respect his tenacity in the face of injustice, most others would have rolled over and capitulated to the so called 'elite' bullies by now.

I thought that even very low grade minor academics could spell OUSTED.  

Just a mere typo, my dear ...

[rixalex]

Kitsch22, on 2009-11-25 02:40:01, said:

The comparison question could just as well have been answered: "He was declared a criminal by a kangaroo court set up by a totalitarian and undemocratic regime" - as was Mandela; as was Aung San Su Kyi.

Did Mandela and Aung San Su Kyi also attempt to bribe the courts with cash-stashed lunch boxes?

Defendants who behave in this way lose the right to moan and whinge about the credibility of the court.

Let us not also forget the assets concealment case that Thaksin won in extremely suspicious circumstances. Did Mandela and Aung San Su Kyi also put massive sums on money into the names of various employees like maids and gardeners so as to dodge complying with the law?

Kitsch22, on 2009-11-25 02:40:01, said:

Everybody knows that Taksin is a corrupt self-serving politician, but the way correspondents on TV queue up to support the Generals and their works is nothing short of sickening.

Most of the anti-Thaksin sentiment you will find on this forum is exactly that, anti-Thaksin. The queues of people you speak of supporting Generals is a figment of your imagination, born out of desperate desire to in some way defend your cause.

[LawnGnome]

Ulysses G., on 2009-11-25 10:35:45, said:

Mandela was a terrorist who helped kill a lot more people than Thaksin ever thought of. If he is wandering around free as a bird, Thaksin probably should be too.

Wow - that just about sums you up right here.

[Jingthing]

LawnGnome, on 2009-11-25 11:09:33, said:

Ulysses G., on 2009-11-25 10:35:45, said:

Mandela was a terrorist who helped kill a lot more people than Thaksin ever thought of. If he is wandering around free as a bird, Thaksin probably should be too.

Wow - that just about sums you up right here.

I smell a FOX.

[Ulysses G.]

Those are the facts.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

waza, on 2009-11-25 08:07:10, said:

Jingthing, on 2009-11-23 13:24:17, said:

Yeah, but if all of his frozen assets are taken from him permanently and if he also receives many more years jail sentence, will he have both the drive and MOTIVATION to continue this fight?

and the funds.............My opinion is that he cant win without violence.  I equate win with his return to full control over Thailnad.  I just wonder how far he is prepared to go? Violent Civil unrest he is happy to create, but Civil war?, assasination?, invasion? Regicide?

His agenda is whatever it takes.

[Ulysses G.]

Jingthing, on 2009-11-25 11:16:16, said:

LawnGnome, on 2009-11-25 11:09:33, said:

Ulysses G., on 2009-11-25 10:35:45, said:

Mandela was a terrorist who helped kill a lot more people than Thaksin ever thought of. If he is wandering around free as a bird, Thaksin probably should be too.

Wow - that just about sums you up right here.

I smell a FOX.

Oh, I forgot, Mandella was a good terrorist!

[Ricardo]

Ulysses G., on 2009-11-25 10:35:45, said:

Mandela was a terrorist who helped kill a lot more people than Thaksin ever thought of. If he is wandering around free as a bird, Thaksin probably should be too.

Didn't Mandela complete in court all of the cases against him, and serve a considerable amount of time in jail, before being allowed to wander around or enter politics ?