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[sedeflonga]

200 people die from swine flu vaccination in Canada!

hxxp://www.euronews.net/2009/11/24/faulty-swine-flu-vaccine-withdrawn-in-canada/

Please forward this to as many people as possible.

Edited by sedeflonga, 2009-11-26 16:41:07.

[Artisi]

Edited by Artisi, 2009-11-26 16:46:28.

[rabcbroon]

Unless people have been living under a rock then they are very aware of the swine flu.  However, anyone who is concerned should do their own research and decide if they trust the vaccine,

At the moment it seems a lot of people throughout the world dont.

Dont you think it is strange why the pigs aren't catching their own flu

[mpetersen]

rabcbroon, on 2009-11-26 17:46:17, said:

Unless people have been living under a rock then they are very aware of the swine flu.  However, anyone who is concerned should do their own research and decide if they trust the vaccine,

At the moment it seems a lot of people throughout the world dont.

Dont you think it is strange why the pigs aren't catching their own flu

That's a misprint.  2 people died after taking vaccination.  Not 200.  

I figure by the time the vaccine is fully rolled out, the flu will be over anyways....

[sbk]

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Six bad reactions to swine flu vaccine in Canada: official

(AFP) – 1 day ago

OTTAWA — Six severe allergic reactions to swine flu vaccinations have been observed in Canada, health authorities said Tuesday, adding that all of the individuals are feeling better.

All of the cases of anaphylactic shock were linked to a single batch or 172,000 doses of Aprepanrix vaccines made by GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) distributed starting November 2, said Caroline Grondin, a spokeswoman for Canada's health ministry.

Distribution of the batch to six provinces -- British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario and Prince Edward Island -- was halted, she said.

But she could not say how many doses had been used before distribution was suspended.

The health ministry believes the number of adverse reactions is abnormally high and has asked officials to investigate. One allergic reaction in 100,000 doses is the currently accepted norm.

Anaphylactic shock is a severe, rapid and sometimes fatal allergic reaction to a foreign substance such as a vaccine, shellfish or insect venom. Symptoms include difficulty breathing and a sudden drop in blood pressure.

It is a serious medical issue, said Grondin, but anyone who received the vaccines and did not have a reaction should not worry.

The A(H1N1) vaccine is safe and effective, she insisted. "The fact that we've uncovered problem with a specific batch shows that our monitoring system works," Grondin told AFP.

The World Health Organization (WHO), which first alerted health authorities of potential problems with this batch of vaccines, has not changed its recommendations regarding swine flu vaccines.

These remain, according to the WHO, the most effective way to fight the virus, which has killed some 6,750 people worldwide since it first appeared in March.

Copyright © 2009 AFP. All rights reserved.

http://www.google.co...jeLmKyhAzC90TsQ

[sbk]

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The Canadian Press - ONLINE EDITION
Influenza

By: THE CANADIAN PRESS

25/11/2009 4:44 PM | Comments: 0


TORONTO - There have been 24 confirmed cases of a type of severe allergic reaction called anaphylaxis in Canadians who have received an H1N1 flu shot, including one person who died after getting vaccinated, the head of the Public Health Agency of Canada said Wednesday.

Dr. David Butler-Jones said the person who died - identified in the media as a Quebec man in his 80s - met the criteria for having an anaphylactic reaction. But he said it's still not clear whether that or health problems caused the death

http://www.winnipegf...u/73950312.html

[sbk]

topic title edited for clarity as the OP apparently got it wrong.

[sedeflonga]

mpetersen, on 2009-11-26 17:17:29, said:

rabcbroon, on 2009-11-26 17:46:17, said:

Unless people have been living under a rock then they are very aware of the swine flu.  However, anyone who is concerned should do their own research and decide if they trust the vaccine,

At the moment it seems a lot of people throughout the world dont.

Dont you think it is strange why the pigs aren't catching their own flu

That's a misprint.  2 people died after taking vaccination.  Not 200.  

I figure by the time the vaccine is fully rolled out, the flu will be over anyways....

Missprint, eh? Then it must have been also a miss-spell coz he said 200!

Wow now news get censored...

Edited by sedeflonga, 2009-11-26 17:50:04.

[sbk]

Find another source that states 200 people died from the vaccine and post it here. as I find no news source that states 200.

[sedeflonga]

sbk, on 2009-11-26 17:31:08, said:

topic title edited for clarity as the OP apparently got it wrong.

excuse me? I didnt get anything wrong. Look the video too and listen. Whats wrong with you people????

[sbk]

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As many as 24 Canadians, including one who died, suffered from a severe allergic reaction after receiving the H1N1 pandemic vaccine.

But health officials stressed Wednesday that the rate of anaphylaxis appears to be low: 0.32 per 100,000 doses. Anaphylaxis is a severe allergic reaction that can be characterized by respiratory distress, swelling of the lips, eyelids, throat or tongue, and low blood pressure, and can be life-threatening.

“As we move through this, we will have numbers or rates that are higher and lower. But at the end of the day, it is the overall safety of the vaccine which is really clear and we have a great deal of confidence in [it],” said David Butler-Jones, Canada's chief public health officer.

All vaccines can induce anaphylaxis but do so at very low rates. The majority of side-effects are minor reactions, such as soreness at the injection site.

The elderly person who died after receiving the H1N1 shot had other health problems, so officials are still investigating the cause of death.

http://www.theglobea...article1377795/

[sedeflonga]

I see now we choose the news we want to see, not the news which is reported.

[sedeflonga]

to be fair I will try to contact the news station and ask for confirmation. I called to France to confirm and was asked to submit the question by email. Will report when answer received

Edited by sedeflonga, 2009-11-26 18:09:19.

[TallForeigner]

sedeflonga, on 2009-11-26 17:53:01, said:

Whats wrong with you people????

I see what might be wrong with you. For whatever reason you just choose to believe the only news source publishing a very unlikely event whereas all the other serious news sources out there and most importantly the local news from the country in question publish something entirely different. Do you usually believe in only those reports that claim something you just want to hear?
200 confirmed deaths by adverse reaction to the H1N1 vaccine in Canada alone would have created worldwide headlines - where are all these headlines?

[Orac]

The story appears to have been pulled from the original website.

[sedeflonga]

TallForeigner, on 2009-11-26 19:04:34, said:

sedeflonga, on 2009-11-26 17:53:01, said:

Whats wrong with you people????

I see what might be wrong with you. For whatever reason you just choose to believe the only news source publishing a very unlikely event whereas all the other serious news sources out there and most importantly the local news from the country in question publish something entirely different. Do you usually believe in only those reports that claim something you just want to hear?
200 confirmed deaths by adverse reaction to the H1N1 vaccine in Canada alone would have created worldwide headlines - where are all these headlines?

If that would be the case I would not try to find out the truth.

[sedeflonga]

Now the page has dissapeared because I called them, mailed them...

Its not what I want, its what I read.

[Mossfinn]

I think it more likely down to the news reports themslves than anything to do with PC, in some cases you are more likely to see pigs fly than some of the reported hyperbole

[ScubaBuddha]

The link is dead because it was bullshit, like most the "data" from sensationalist, non-scientific sources which support the anti-vaccine scare.   The Thaivisa swine flu forum has been hijacked by 3 or 4 very vocal but ignorant and almost completely inaccurate members, (possibly the same member under different names.) If you frequent the swine forum, you will know I have successfully debunked every position, theory, half-truth, or confused argument put forth by these scaremongers which I have had the unlucky fortune to respond to. (Just look at the source of some of their claims. Wikipedia is not a reliable souce. I can make it say anything I want. Look at the end notes in Wiki and you will find the source, or maybe you won't because it's BS!!)  I no longer have the time or patience to do so. 70-80% of the information contained in the Swine flu forum is now utter nonsense and downright dangerous for the populace to be believing in. Thai visa admin should really consider shutting down the swine flu section on moral grounds before people really start to get hurt. Or at least provide some moderation to the more obvious inaccurate and sensational statements and disinformation being spewed forth.

Edited by Scubabuddha, 2009-11-27 00:35:32.

[ScubaBuddha]

rabcbroon, on 2009-11-26 20:40:52, said:

sedeflonga, on 2009-11-26 17:55:04, said:

I see now we choose the news we want to see, not the news which is reported.

If it is not PC then it doesnt fly here,

Its not about being politically correct, it's about being just plain old "correct." The story of 200 people dieing was false. The real story? One died:

"The elderly person who died after receiving the H1N1 shot had other health problems, so officials are still investigating the cause of death."

Source:http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/h1n1-swine-flu/severe-allergic-reaction-seen-after-h1n1-flu-shot/article1377795/

[geriatrickid]

Please  note that there are NO confirmed deaths from allergic reactions. There is one death of an elderly male (80 years). This may have been due to an underlying health condition and the autopsy results are pending. This patient was in an at risk group.

In respect to recorded allergic reactions, there are now only 24 cases  recorded by Health Canada out of the million of  doses administered. The current rate of anaphylactic events is reported as  approx. 0.32 cases for every 100,000 doses of vaccine administered. This result is well within acceptable standards.

The initial media reports were based upon an inaccurate interview that was picked up and repeated.

Again, I stress that there are no deaths caused by the vaccine program in Canada. Adverse reactions are being reported at a rate far better than  expected, and a much higher value would have been expected as the vaccine administration is being closely monitored.

Please consult the  Health Canada website for more explicit and specific news.

[IanForbes]

Too bad it wasn't more than 200. We've already got too many people in Canada and don't need any more. We need to find ways to kill more people off rather than saving the weak ones.   

[Jonathanpattaya]

IanForbes, on 2009-11-27 09:54:53, said:

Too bad it wasn't more than 200. We've already got too many people in Canada and don't need any more. We need to find ways to kill more people off rather than saving the weak ones.   

Really off topic!
Just for your information and before you start preaching genocide, the population of Canada is just under 34,000,000 which represents 0.5% of the worlds population. Canada also happens to be the second largest country in the world by area.

Edited by Jonathanpattaya, 2009-11-27 11:24:44.

[hhgz]

"200 people die from swine flu vaccination in Canada!"

Baloney.  To date, 304 Canadians have dies from H1N1, and you claim another 200 people have died from vaccinations.  Absolute rubbish.

Here's some real info:

"So far, one-quarter of Canadians — more than eight million people — have received the H1N1 vaccine...There have been 24 cases of confirmed anaphylaxis among people who received the H1N1 shot in Canada. Anaphylaxis is a severe allergic reaction that can cause a person's airways to close up and must be treated quickly with adrenalin, which is available at flu clinics....Overall...the exact rate [of anaphylaxis] is 0.32 cases per 100,000 doses...For one lot of vaccine that was withdrawn in provinces last week, the rate was four per 100,000, which is still low but more than the expected one reaction per 100,000 vaccinations....Health Canada and the vaccine manufacturer, GlaxoSmithKline, are investigating."

[sedeflonga]

geriatrickid, on 2009-11-27 09:36:16, said:

Please  note that there are NO confirmed deaths from allergic reactions. There is one death of an elderly male (80 years). This may have been due to an underlying health condition and the autopsy results are pending. This patient was in an at risk group.

In respect to recorded allergic reactions, there are now only 24 cases  recorded by Health Canada out of the million of  doses administered. The current rate of anaphylactic events is reported as  approx. 0.32 cases for every 100,000 doses of vaccine administered. This result is well within acceptable standards.

The initial media reports were based upon an inaccurate interview that was picked up and repeated.

Again, I stress that there are no deaths caused by the vaccine program in Canada. Adverse reactions are being reported at a rate far better than  expected, and a much higher value would have been expected as the vaccine administration is being closely monitored.

Please consult the  Health Canada website for more explicit and specific news.

wrong: http://watch.ctv.ca/...-19/#clip237358