[webfact]

British couple subjected to vile 'Clockwork Orange' style sex attack on Thailand holiday

By Andrew Drummond
Last updated at 12:38 AM on 28th November 2009

A British couple have become victims of a horrendous Clockwork Orange-style sex attack ordeal while on holiday in Thailand.
The professional couple had chosen the Thai holiday island of Koh Chang to round off a memorable one-year sabbatical from their jobs touring the world.

But last night, the couple, one a government employee, the other a businessman, fled Thailand after they were subjected to a night of terror in which they say they were drugged and raped by a gang they suspect preys on foreign tourists.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/...nd-holiday.html

[screamingeagle]

You beleive what you read in the Daily Mail?????????????

[aussimike]

friendlyguy01, on 2009-11-28 11:49:37, said:

neverdie, on 2009-11-28 12:45:27, said:

'Clockwork Orange' WTF?

It's a movie. Look it up. It's actually a good movie.

and fancy sending a Thai employee of the UK Embassy - total waste of time - what happened to the farang officials ???- and there cant be too many French nationals on the island - would not take long to check all the resorts etc and follow up - but again i did forget for a minute =- TIT this is thailand - but another good tourism story to promote the happier side of the tourism sector -

[stevehaigh]

aussimike, on 2009-11-28 12:02:36, said:

friendlyguy01, on 2009-11-28 11:49:37, said:

neverdie, on 2009-11-28 12:45:27, said:

'Clockwork Orange' WTF?

It's a movie. Look it up. It's actually a good movie.

and fancy sending a Thai employee of the UK Embassy - total waste of time - what happened to the farang officials ???- and there cant be too many French nationals on the island - would not take long to check all the resorts etc and follow up - but again i did forget for a minute =- TIT this is thailand - but another good tourism story to promote the happier side of the tourism sector -

i guess the only upside to this story for Thailand if there is one, is it was farangs committing the crime, not Thai. same thing could have happened in Paris.

[screamingeagle]

aussimike, on 2009-11-28 12:02:36, said:

friendlyguy01, on 2009-11-28 11:49:37, said:

neverdie, on 2009-11-28 12:45:27, said:

'Clockwork Orange' WTF?

It's a movie. Look it up. It's actually a good movie.

and fancy sending a Thai employee of the UK Embassy - total waste of time - what happened to the farang officials ???- and there cant be too many French nationals on the island - would not take long to check all the resorts etc and follow up - but again i did forget for a minute =- TIT this is thailand - but another good tourism story to promote the happier side of the tourism sector -

Koh Chang has many, many French living and holidaying there

[Dap]

It doesn't really matter whether or not anyone has seen the movie. Two people of whatever nationality were horrendously abused. I am so very sorry that anyone would be treated in such a manner. Recovery will not be short lived. My sincere regrets to the couple involved.

[marcher]

Dap, on 2009-11-28 12:10:44, said:

It doesn't really matter whether or not anyone has seen the movie. Two people of whatever nationality were horrendously abused. I am so very sorry that anyone would be treated in such a manner. Recovery will not be short lived. My sincere regrets to the couple involved.

Absolutely right. Not sure why all the chat is about the film, which most seem not to have seen anyhow

Surely the major point is not the film but the fact that it is another nail in Thailand's coffin

[orlov]

This is Europeans attacking Europeans so frankly it could have happened at any beach side bar virtually anywhere in the world. The Daily Mail seems to have got it 'in' for Thailand and I wouldn't mind so much if they also reported every rape that happened in London each night. A quick search of the internate reveals that rapes in London schools alone have risen by 100 pct in the last year. Needless to say that little gem was reported by the European Union Times, not the Daily Mail.

[Acharn]

tonyrx7, on 2009-11-28 12:00:04, said:

I've heard of the movie but didn't see it. What does the sex act consists of?

Gang raping the wife while the husband, paralyzed and in a wheelchair, looks on.

[webfact]

//General notice//

I will not object if some information regarding the movie is provided. Younger members and members haven't watched that movie will not understand the meaning "Clockwork Orange" without an explanation.

Please don't let it turn into a movie discussion. This I will object.

Thanks

[DaraRai]

the way they reported it gave the impression that a Thai group was the perpetrator when in actuality the perpetrators were also farangs! that couple should have known better than to both leave their drinks and consume the drinks when they came back; should've just ordered new ones...

[sedeflonga]

Just connect a crime to a movie and it makes it more horrendous. In the end it was a rape/gang rape happens allover the world every minute.

[BlackArtemis]

I've seen quite a bit of Farang on Farang crime, drugging, rape, theft, etc in my few months down south. In fact I feel i was far more in danger when around white backing communities than anywhere else..

[MarleyMarl]

I am planning a holiday there in December with my Thai girlfriend :< scary stuff.

[adam1]

Wow, 2000 readers this morning, probably 10k by end of weekend.............
This forum is surely a great place to plant a meme, but I don't think I can agree with the poster who says that this is an article designed specifically to cancel tourist bookings. Who gains from a few hotel cancellations?
Plus, while it is a "sensational" story, it nevertheless merits our attention if it is true, so why not report it? Readers can and do use their own discretion.......
In any case, my sincere sympathies to the couple involved.
On a final note, the "Clockwork Orange" comparison is accurate insofar as a gang rape has allegedly occurred. It is inaccurate insofar as the "ultraviolence" portrayed in the movie has thankfully not been perpetrated in reality in this instance. In making this point, I am not seeking to diminish the traumatic nature of the events in any way.

[ericthai]

galaxywatcher, on 2009-11-28 13:52:12, said:

Here is my analysis of the article:
"The couple did not wish to be fully identified. But the man, Richard, 42, remembers being forced to watch as his wife Susan, 31, was sexually assaulted by two men."
Ok. I understand that the couple do not wish to be identified. That is reasonable.

"They called the police, but when nobody went to see them, they went to a local hospital to be examined by doctors."
Which hospital? Which police officer did they speak to? What's the name of the doctor?

"Susan said the night of their ordeal began with a pleasant drink at a beach bar, where they met an Englishwoman and some Frenchmen. They stayed in their company at the bar, although at one point she and her partner left for a short time, returning to join them. It was at that point, she believes, the drinks were spiked."
Which beach bar in Koh Chang? 'Some Frenchmen'? 2, 3, 4? How many Frenchmen?

"Richard said he could vaguely remember being outside the bungalow and watching through a window as Susan was assaulted by the men."
Vaguely remembering being outside the bungalow and watching through a window is NOT the same as being FORCED to watch his wife being assaulted.

"The couple said that when they were able to complain to police 'they did not seem very interested'."
What was the name of this uninterested police officer?

"After contacting the British Embassy they were visited by a consular representative, a local Thai woman, who told them the police would not take the case seriously."

What was the name of the consular representative who represents the British Embassy who states that the police do not take matters of assault and rape seriously, especially of foreign tourists?

"A Thai Police spokesman..." Name?
"A British Embassy spokesman..." Name?
"'A member of staff from our consulate in Pattaya..." Name? Name? Name? What happened to stating facts or quoting sources in so called 'reporting'?
Ok..So we do not have a SINGLE full name in this article. Even "Richard's" story changes from being forced to watch, to vaguely remembering looking through the window.

Clockwork Orange? Not even a close comparison. Clockwork Orange depicted brutally violent rape scenes that ended in murder and permanent crippling without the use of date rape drugs but with the victims fully conscious. The film was banned in England when it was released which helped promote it's popularity. The subtext of the film is an exploration of the criminal mind and the morality of innovative 'rehabilitation' solutions.

As far as the article goes, I see it as a direct attack on the economy of Thailand designed to produce holiday cancellations without offering a single fact or point of reference to even
verify that this event happened at all. Andrew Drummond should be ashamed of himself for spewing such trash.

Galaxy. Thank you.
The OP starts a thread with no details at all, I never seen or heard of the movie, had no idea what was being said. He should have given more details and as you said apparently the comparison to the movie is not even correct. Again thanks for the the explanation.

[stevenl]

LV_Panda, on 2009-11-28 13:24:17, said:

The attack is truly terrible no matter how or where it happened. Hopefully justice will be served but I doubt that. Best to just hope for a recovery of the victims.

I think it should be: The attack is truly terrible IF it happened.

[Bakeman]

galaxywatcher, on 2009-11-28 12:52:12, said:

Here is my analysis of the article:
"The couple did not wish to be fully identified. But the man, Richard, 42, remembers being forced to watch as his wife Susan, 31, was sexually assaulted by two men."
Ok. I understand that the couple do not wish to be identified. That is reasonable.

"They called the police, but when nobody went to see them, they went to a local hospital to be examined by doctors."
Which hospital? Which police officer did they speak to? What's the name of the doctor?

"Susan said the night of their ordeal began with a pleasant drink at a beach bar, where they met an Englishwoman and some Frenchmen. They stayed in their company at the bar, although at one point she and her partner left for a short time, returning to join them. It was at that point, she believes, the drinks were spiked."
Which beach bar in Koh Chang? 'Some Frenchmen'? 2, 3, 4? How many Frenchmen?

"Richard said he could vaguely remember being outside the bungalow and watching through a window as Susan was assaulted by the men."
Vaguely remembering being outside the bungalow and watching through a window is NOT the same as being FORCED to watch his wife being assaulted.

"The couple said that when they were able to complain to police 'they did not seem very interested'."
What was the name of this uninterested police officer?

"After contacting the British Embassy they were visited by a consular representative, a local Thai woman, who told them the police would not take the case seriously."

What was the name of the consular representative who represents the British Embassy who states that the police do not take matters of assault and rape seriously, especially of foreign tourists?

"A Thai Police spokesman..." Name?
"A British Embassy spokesman..." Name?
"'A member of staff from our consulate in Pattaya..." Name? Name? Name? What happened to stating facts or quoting sources in so called 'reporting'?
Ok..So we do not have a SINGLE full name in this article. Even "Richard's" story changes from being forced to watch, to vaguely remembering looking through the window.

Clockwork Orange? Not even a close comparison. Clockwork Orange depicted brutally violent rape scenes that ended in murder and permanent crippling without the use of date rape drugs but with the victims fully conscious. The film was banned in England when it was released which helped promote it's popularity. The subtext of the film is an exploration of the criminal mind and the morality of innovative 'rehabilitation' solutions.

As far as the article goes, I see it as a direct attack on the economy of Thailand designed to produce holiday cancellations without offering a single fact or point of reference to even
verify that this event happened at all. Andrew Drummond should be ashamed of himself for spewing such trash.

True observation but if the story is true I feel sorry for the victims.

[aussiejosh]

Its the daily mail, of course its a bit sensationalized but I want to hear the full story first.

[thaibkk]

stick to drinking water from a closed bottle served...

problem solved

[Thakkar]

I don't understand the plethora of Thai apologists on here. A horrendous crime is alleged to have been committed upon a holidaying couple in Thailand and the Thai police response is said to have been unhelpful.

Yes, the couple could've been more careful, less naive, more wary of strangers, considering especially that they had already travelled the world and were mature professional adults.

Yes, a tabloid report is wont to jazz the story up.

That being said, holiday makers should have a reasonable expectation of safety and, in case of problems, a concerned, compassionate police response. If a country wants to attract visitors, then this shouldn't be regarded as too much of an expectation.

[thailandgolf]

Hope they'll be fine

This post has been edited by thailandgolf: 2009-11-28 14:19

[TonyBkk]

taxin, on 2009-11-28 14:40:37, said:

hm1973, on 2009-11-28 14:26:41, said:

Because of my recent run-ins with Drummond over another "rape" story from Pattaya, I contacted the Uk Embassy myself about this story and there is at least one interesting point raised by them. The report says that the couple lay motionless for two days. Apparently they only reported the case to Police, 4 days after the alleged attack took place. Why did they then take two days, after they had recovered from the effects of the drugs they were given, to report the alleged crime. Another vague story with no real evidence of any assault taking place published by Drummond in the Daily Mail....pattern developing?

Simple, this "story" did not happen !

Also the effects of Midazolam wear off so quick, I took it with alcohol numerous times in my uni days and I really didnt find it anything special at all. The effects would all but wear off in 2-3hrs max, the guy from the story recalls still being in an incapacitated drugged state the next morning and the following 2 days, maybe if they IV'd him with Fentanyl I'd understand but definitly not just with Midazolam. This drug is also very hard to come by in Thai pharmacies and is usually only a special order item, if your on close terms with the pharmacy owner.

[Changian]

Not heard any gossip about this here. Usually anything juicy is being discussed by the locals pretty quickly. The Tourist Police here seem to have a pretty good reputation too, so as it was 'farang on farang' (no innuendo implied) hard to see them sitting on the case and not doing anything, as they have no reason to do this - it wasn't as though locals were involved.

It'd be good to have a few more details about which bar, which beach, where they were staying etc. If they were in a cheap bungalow with plywood walls was there no way to raise the alarm as easy to hear noise through the walls. If they were in a resort most have a daily maid service, but no one noticed them missing or didn't discover them for a couple of days.

Quite a lot of useful info missing that should have been in the article. Can you print your original article, with the detailed ino, on your site Andrew?

[Brewsta]

Garry, on 2009-11-28 13:35:41, said:

neverdie, on 2009-11-28 09:45:27, said:

'Clockwork Orange' WTF?

the movie 'A Clockwork Orange' came out in the 70's if I remember correctly. Had to be 18 or over to see it. Screwed up movie for sure

Yip - studied it at school for 'O' Level, if I recall.....weird then,weird now

This incident sounds as calculated and de-sensitised as the movie characterisations..... not nice.

Stay safe,

Brewsta