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[Sheps99]

[quote name='LivinLOS' date='2009-12-03 15:36:09' post='3180680']
RawaiDragon with his usual reliability of information..

Same person posted both a 'eyewitness fact' and 'denial' of a recent event also

Since when does anybody need a work permit to participate in sport. Let's hope the never hold the Olympics in Thailand.

[torrenova]

So now the police are saying that they will not arrest people working illegally, without work permits, because it is an international event connected with the monarchy ?

[markg]

Sheps99, on 2009-12-03 18:24:02, said:

Since when does anybody need a work permit to participate in sport. Let's hope the never hold the Olympics in Thailand.

Well, erm, every single professional footballer in the UK (who isnt from the EU) for starters.........................

[Jonathanpattaya]

Yawn! So blooming what?
Shall we just get over it?

Edited by Jonathanpattaya, 2009-12-03 19:11:00.

[baramunchies]

markg, on 2009-12-03 18:58:19, said:

Well, erm, every single professional footballer in the UK (who isnt from the EU) for starters.........................

Surely not "every" professional footballer in the UK. The ones who are employed and get paid by a UK club for sure, but a professional brasilian player on a turnament in the UK don't need a work permit. There are visa types for sport in many countries, but that usually includes a longer stay and even getting a contract locally. Not for a match for sure.

Edited by baramunchies, 2009-12-03 19:12:31.

[gr8fldanielle]

a very reliable source told me two friends of his got arrested at a language school for not having work permits, and that is true. I haven't found anything in the news about it yet though. How can a language school offer offer work permits to all the part time teachers anyway? Does that make the language schools liable for employing people illegally?

[baramunchies]

gr8fldanielle, on 2009-12-03 19:14:00, said:

a very reliable source told me two friends of his got arrested at a language school for not having work permits, and that is true. I haven't found anything in the news about it yet though. How can a language school offer offer work permits to all the part time teachers anyway? Does that make the language schools liable for employing people illegally?

Of course thats illegal. it's pretty dumb to work in a school without a workvisa.
But how is that related to a sports turnament?

[Mario2008]

gr8fldanielle, on 2009-12-03 19:14:00, said:

a very reliable source told me two friends of his got arrested at a language school for not having work permits, and that is true. I haven't found anything in the news about it yet though. How can a language school offer offer work permits to all the part time teachers anyway? Does that make the language schools liable for employing people illegally?

Let's stay on topic and discuss this in the teaching forum.

[mythBuster]

TAWP, on 2009-12-03 15:24:54, said:

Now the fun part: Who started that post and what will be the consequences for posting non-truths?

That is indeed how the authorities normally handle these cases. Freedom of press is deteriorating year after year, and Thailand has dropped from an already dismal place in the rankings under Thaksin to a place under this government that would have made the DDR proud. It would however be pretty normal to check if people working near the sailors had a work permit, after all immigration police is giving others in not so high profile events also a hard time.

[baramunchies]

I don't know how can anyone possibly come up with such a BS.
In that logic an airline and container boat captain should get work permits in every (air)port they stop?
Doesn't make a lot of sense, does it?

[Mario2008]

2 post from one meber containing pofanities deleted. Please keep it civil.

[LivinLOS]

Sheps99, on 2009-12-03 18:24:02, said:

Since when does anybody need a work permit to participate in sport. Let's hope the never hold the Olympics in Thailand.

As posted in the now closed Phuket thread.. Its the law visiting sportsmen need one, and 'work' is not defined through payment either.

Of course its a ridiculous catch all law, that makes everyone non Thai illegal for doing their garden, but is a way for authorities to exercise discretion (that usually costs money) whenever they feel like it. All part of the patronage system.

[xkmasada]

Somebody misread the government statement: it's Cambodian labor that is the target of the crackdown. Why would this government crack down on white people?!

[LivinLOS]

baramunchies, on 2009-12-03 19:28:24, said:

I don't know how can anyone possibly come up with such a BS.
In that logic an airline and container boat captain should get work permits in every (air)port they stop?
Doesn't make a lot of sense, does it?

Actually this was my specialized field, cross border employment law back in europe.

There the E101 and special dispensation system covers short term work up to 183 days and in some cases longer.

For countries not part of the OECD model convention then yes there had to be special agreements, visas and work permits, some fields also had special dispensations, long distance truck drivers, performers, specialist surgeons, etc.

[groovyc]

junkofdavid2, on 2009-12-03 18:28:13, said:

Instead of announcing that he won't enforce something that's (possibly) technically illegal,

They SHOULD change this RIDICULOUS LAW!

Exactly what I was wondering...
Its awesome the fela had the nerve to give out his mobile no too! TIT
In fact, anywhere else, this thread would have seemed fishier than the original!

[Sheps99]

markg, on 2009-12-03 18:58:19, said:

Sheps99, on 2009-12-03 18:24:02, said:

Since when does anybody need a work permit to participate in sport. Let's hope the never hold the Olympics in Thailand.

Well, erm, every single professional footballer in the UK (who isnt from the EU) for starters.........................

I think you will find this a bit different when participating in a tournament that is only held over a short period. I have traveled all over the world officiating for the last twenty years and never been questioned about a work permit. Somebody who is living in a coutry permanent and employed in sport I think comes under a different category.

[markg]

[/quote]
I think you will find this a bit different when participating in a tournament that is only held over a short period. I have traveled all over the world officiating for the last twenty years and never been questioned about a work permit. Somebody who is living in a coutry permanent and employed in sport I think comes under a different category.
[/quote]

Your assumption would be incorrect then, but thanks for sharing your opinion
(Quoting from Tywas in the now closed Phuket thread)
The specific rule in this case for requiring a WP is the below:

5. Temporary business of entertainment, religious, social welfare, cultural or sporting without intention to make profit and paying income tax to the government.

Source: Legal Thailand

Fact remains that to do 'work' (irrespective of being in receipt of any remuneration) REQUIRES a Work Permit in Thailand.
No, really, it does! It really really really does.

Do you think when say Man United or Liverpool come for a visit they just turn up at Suvanapoom on the hope that they will get a 30 day stamp meant for tourists, of do you think the club might actually apply for the correct visa and documentation beforehand?

As we all know, in Thailand and other countries, laws are subject to some speculative interpretation. Clearly, Phuket Immigration know the ramifications of actually enforcing this law upon participants of such a high-profile event as the King's cup and have chosen to overlook it on this occasion.
That is the sensible option.
However, they will still enforce the law when it comes to teachers working illegally in language schools without a work permit.
The two situations are the same on paper but are wholly dissimilar in reality.

[Sheps99]

I am sorry but I do not think you know what you are talking about. I officiated in Bangkok with 430 athletes and officials in a world championships from all over the world and nobody had a work permit. I know Thailand can be different but, a lot of eastern block country's plus Cuba can be difficult but only with your visa.

[eggomaniac]

jb5music, on 2009-12-03 01:16:36, said:

merijn, on 2009-12-03 16:38:18, said:

Again a good reason for not believing everything what is said on Thaivisa Forum :-)

Exactly.. That's why you might not want to believe that the rumors that rumors are false is true!

[nikolalu]

Somebody was talking about a Burmese factory worker and his kid and this forum advertise Bupa Medical Insurance for 10 baht a day. 555

[moe666]

The nail in the coffin must be a rumor as well.

[ericthai]

mrpositive, on 2009-12-03 17:04:38, said:

I think it's great...


..but it's also a great public example of the discretionary use of power, is it not?

I wonder whether workers in slightly less touristy places can relax as easily about their work permit situations.
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I guess cracking down on this event could well have set a scary precedent, of interest to the countless part-time teachers doing the 'Language School' circuits in Thailand.

Happy Sailing.

You cant even compare the two. The sailors are here on a competition event, as were the teachers are here all the time teaching and making money so they need to get a work permit and pay taxes as they are working in Thailand.

For sports events such as pro golfers, tennis and any other sport events that comes to Thailand, you expect them to get a work permit? They should have some type of visa, but not a work permit.

[khundon]

stevenl, on 2009-12-03 15:39:51, said:

Just as I thought, a rumour.

The amount of half truths and non-truths on the net is enormous, you have to be really careful what to believe.

I don't know if I should believe you.

[KKK]

RawaiDragon should be bumped off this board for spreading rumours. Or at least be banned from posting for a period of time....

[markg]

Sheps99, on 2009-12-03 23:49:28, said:

I am sorry but I do not think you know what you are talking about. I officiated in Bangkok with 430 athletes and officials in a world championships from all over the world and nobody had a work permit. I know Thailand can be different but, a lot of eastern block country's plus Cuba can be difficult but only with your visa.

Actually, we do know what we are talking about. The fact that you worked illegally in Bangkok has led you to the assumption that you didnt need a work permit. That assumption would be wrong. You did need a work permit and you should have had one.
The law is quite clear. You need a work permit to work. Really - you do ! Pro sportsmen get work permits before they come to events here. So does Madonna, Linkin Park etc etc. they have management who deal with this. The fact that you officiated without a work permit and didnt get caught is an irrelevance. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse !
Of course, the chances of getting caught are slight in a high profile event - however, imagine making the wrong decision against some well connected Thai people...................you'd soon find out that your papers were not in order and they'd kick you out of the tournament!

As a further analogy - and to paraphrase your reasoning, i substituted the word 'officiated' with 'teaching'
I taught in Bangkok with 430 students and teachers in a school with students from all over the world and nobody had a work permit.
Therefore the conclusion i have come to is that teachers don't need work permits...........................