Posted 2010-01-11 20:39:39
 happyinkathu, on 2010-01-11 18:24:44, said:
 The real point i was making SB is the all too often used ''FOR SELF DEFENSE'' explanation given by people who feel the need to carry a weapon.
As i posted already the conseqences of such actions i wont do say again.
But here is my first hand account of what can happen and did happen to a good mate;
In the late 60s we were in an outlaw m/c club...all staunch and tough and bullet proof and full of attitude and booze.
Many members'' packed ''guns ,clubs , knives ,good ol knuckledusters etc. I chose not to for my own reasons.
Anyway in the pub as usual on a saturday and my mate goes outside to pee [mid afternoon, fairly sober] and he is confronted by a ''bikie hater''and given an unprovocked punch to the head.
This guy maybe 6' and 200lb,... my mate ,about the size of your average Thai ,5' and 120 lb. Mate goes OK f-#$%$#@ you and pulls a 6'' knife FOR SELF DEFENSE
The big guy goes..c'mon,c'mon tough guy,what ya gonna do? And starts swinging...little mate goes SH$%# and stabs him [ ]once in the gut. One split second of SELF DEFENSE ended in 18 years in max security prison. This is what happens when people go armed only FOR SELF DEFENSE !!
He spent every[ single day[/ f those 18 years regretting the fact that he went armed.Thats why im saying that being armed is a crazy move! The potential consequenses are not worth it! 
PS i did accidently omit the fact that the guy died of his wound....just so no one needs to ask..very sad for all.
Posted 2010-01-12 16:24:15
happyinkathu, on 2010-01-10 17:16:20, said: KarenBravo, on 2010-01-10 14:43:14, said: If I knew I was going to take a beating, I would want the satisfation that I could cause some damage before I was overwhelmed, but hey.......that's just me.
Yeeehhh right, the guy takes your bat and returns your compliment with 100%.
Have you ever really felt the pain of multiple fractures.. i have and if you think that , that sort of pain would be overcome by the fact that you ''caused some damage'' you are in for a HUGE shock.And after the event ie for the comming 3-6 months of ops and physio you soon realise your folly.
Believe me a'' severe beating'' you have watched on cable is far, far removed from actually taking a beating in real life.
Walk away..easy! 
happyinkathu, on 2010-01-10 18:38:16, said: katabeachbum, on 2010-01-10 17:35:58, said: Ops car still has red plates, cant easily be tracked by BIB, so should be safe for now
Good luck..i would be keeping a low profile for a while all the same...Its a small world..And Thai -eyes are everywhere..
So you just live in fear ?? No thanks I'll take my chances..
Posted 2010-01-12 17:46:55
Quote So you just live in fear ?? No thanks I'll take my chances..
Good on you mate.....This is why you have had so many incidents in Thaland i figure.
Movie quotes are easy.... Another Clint Eastwood one you could use..[ Go ahead, make my day..]
There is a name for people who understand the ramifications, but choose to be irrational...can't say it on here probably...anyway i guess you have been told many times before what it is.
Posted 2010-01-12 19:52:16
LivinLOS, on 2010-01-12 16:24:15, said: So you just live in fear ?? No thanks I'll take my chances..
No... the ones livin' in fear are those who are afraid they're manhood is in question if someone does something to invoke their ire... the ones who fear that giving way to an erratic driver will somehow diminish their superior driving skills, the ones who are so afraid that they must carry a weapon to defend themselves from the unseen villains lurking in the shadows... that, mon ami, is livin'(LOS) in fear.
Posted 2010-01-12 20:44:36
Quote (by 'ScubaBuddha)
Yesterday as I was driving in from Chalong to Rawaii/Naiharn, I was in a que behind 2 or 3 other cars waiting to turn right from Visit rd. (4024) onto Saiyuan Rd at the 7-11 when a tuk tuk came up the que's right side on the wrong side of the road, attempting to bypass the que to get to Saiyuan.
The oncoming traffic was clearing and the cue proceeded to make the turn. As we all make the turn onto SaiYuan, Mr. tuk tuk is on still on my right side a bit ahead of me, and still on the wrong side of the road. Now there appears a large construction truck coming straight at him in the opposite lane. Neither the car in front of me nor myself allowed the tuk tuk driver to force us on to the shoulder, so he was forced to either stop in the oncoming lane or drive head-on into the big truck.
Well I have been driving in Thailand for near on 20 years now and your action/s where, what you made them to be. Me, I let them jump the queue if I saw
Quote "Now there appears a large construction truck coming straight at him in the opposite lane."
and would let him go about his business. I am in no hurry to get ....... Are you? 
Sawadee 
P.S. Please read me signature below 
Posted 2010-01-12 21:09:33
happyinkathu, on 2010-01-12 17:46:55, said: Quote So you just live in fear ?? No thanks I'll take my chances..
Good on you mate.....This is why you have had so many incidents in Thaland i figure.
A couple of brushes over a decade hardly 'many incidents' in my book..
Posted 2010-01-12 21:12:13
mikebike, on 2010-01-12 19:52:16, said: LivinLOS, on 2010-01-12 16:24:15, said: So you just live in fear ?? No thanks I'll take my chances..
No... the ones livin' in fear are those who are afraid they're manhood is in question if someone does something to invoke their ire... the ones who fear that giving way to an erratic driver will somehow diminish their superior driving skills, the ones who are so afraid that they must carry a weapon to defend themselves from the unseen villains lurking in the shadows... that, mon ami, is livin'(LOS) in fear.
I have no particular issue with giving way to an erratic driver or two, I am no longer a hard driver on 4 wheels, the roads and its users here doesnt lend itself to it.. But when an entire profession of road users seem to think they can gang mentality and bully boy themselves through every traffic situation, cutting people up and abusing them as they go, then no, they will find that there isnt the gap they wanted to pull into. After all they drove themselves into the situation.
Do you also automatically just let people cut the queue in front of you without pulling them ??
Edited by LivinLOS, 2010-01-12 21:13:40.
Posted 2010-01-12 21:38:30
"Do you also automatically just let people cut the queue in front of you without pulling them ?? "
Yeah, pretty much... I'm very rarely rushed to reach a destination at a particular time and the queue jumpers are hel_l-bent to get to theirs, so I just say good riddance Dick Head! 
Posted 2010-01-12 22:35:29
LivinLOS, on 2010-01-12 21:09:33, said: happyinkathu, on 2010-01-12 17:46:55, said: Quote So you just live in fear ?? No thanks I'll take my chances..
Good on you mate.....This is why you have had so many incidents in Thaland i figure.
A couple of brushes over a decade hardly 'many incidents' in my book..
Sorry you didn't get the gist of my reply to your comment ''So you just live in fear?? No thanks i'll take my chances..''
You have used this type of ''tough talk'' and similar terminology in multiple posts ,not just this one.
Hence, my reply.
But this post from mikebike portrays the facts better than i can...Thanks M/b
No... the ones livin' in fear are those who are afraid they're manhood is in question if someone does something to invoke their ire... the ones who fear that giving way to an erratic driver will somehow diminish their superior driving skills, the ones who are so afraid that they must carry a weapon to defend themselves from the unseen villains lurking in the shadows... that, mon ami, is livin'(LOS) in fear.
Posted 2010-01-12 22:51:16
mikebike, on 2010-01-12 21:38:30, said: "Do you also automatically just let people cut the queue in front of you without pulling them ?? "
Yeah, pretty much... I'm very rarely rushed to reach a destination at a particular time and the queue jumpers are hel_l-bent to get to theirs, so I just say good riddance Dick Head!
I actually meant in non road based situations.. Like the ATM or checkouts.
I personally am a stickler for being fair, I pretty much always indicate if I think someone was there first and I was somehow noticed and step out to keep the correct order (I dont if its basically a scrum) but I find Thais commonly see a farang and just assume they can push past and get the first service.. A quick reminder in Thai of who was there first and the 'push in front of the tourist' thing nearly always goes away.
So yes, theres social rules, and if everyone sticks to them everyone gets through it not only sooner, but with the least conflict and need for agro, hence I tend to hold people to the rules.. Someone tries to queue jump a long line of traffic just because hes being a nobber and theres no way I make room for them, yet a car trying to edge out of a junction through a traffic queue and I would always yield to give them a break.
Posted 2010-01-13 07:44:46
I sense this sensitivity here quite often on tv, but: has nothing to do with seeing a farang. Quite often they will try to jump the queu,on the road, in the shop, whereever, it really does not matter who is in front.
Posted 2010-01-13 09:47:10
stevenl, on 2010-01-13 07:44:46, said: I sense this sensitivity here quite often on tv, but: has nothing to do with seeing a farang. Quite often they will try to jump the queu,on the road, in the shop, whereever, it really does not matter who is in front.
This is exactly what happens and does so all over the world [and especially in so called developed countries!!] There are always going to be arrogant people , world wide, who have the desire to assert their will in all situations in life, beit on the road or just in the check out queue or as one often see's , right here on TV forum...Up to them...me i sit back and let em go...Jai yen yen..easy!
One disturbing trend though is the apparent desire by a few expats to need to use every single incident as an excuse to denigrate ALL Thais in general ..Quite sad to see.. IMO!! ALL Thais in Phuket are not the lowlifes that some people portay them as, just as ALL falang are not inflicted with the ''Superiority complex'' that is very apparent on this forum.
Posted 2010-01-13 11:38:20
mikebike, on 2010-01-12 15:38:30, said: "Do you also automatically just let people cut the queue in front of you without pulling them ?? "
Yeah, pretty much... I'm very rarely rushed to reach a destination at a particular time and the queue jumpers are hel_l-bent to get to theirs, so I just say good riddance Dick Head!
In my opinion this is exactly the wrong thing to do. Why should law abiding courteous people have to sit in a queue for 30 minutes while someone at the front lets a bunch of rude people drive straight past and cut in front of them.
I never let people push in front of a whole queue if I can help it. I do this for myself and everyone behind me in a queue. Plus the fact that letting people get away with it means that not only will they do it more and more but the people sitting in the queue also then start to wonder why they didnt do it in the first place.
Posted 2010-01-13 12:50:58
happyinkathu, on 2010-01-13 09:47:10, said: stevenl, on 2010-01-13 07:44:46, said: I sense this sensitivity here quite often on tv, but: has nothing to do with seeing a farang. Quite often they will try to jump the queu,on the road, in the shop, whereever, it really does not matter who is in front.
This is exactly what happens and does so all over the world [and especially in so called developed countries!!] There are always going to be arrogant people , world wide, who have the desire to assert their will in all situations in life, beit on the road or just in the check out queue or as one often see's , right here on TV forum...Up to them...me i sit back and let em go...Jai yen yen..easy!
So your happy in your role as the victim ??
Quote One disturbing trend though is the apparent desire by a few expats to need to use every single incident as an excuse to denigrate ALL Thais in general ..Quite sad to see.. IMO!! ALL Thais in Phuket are not the lowlifes that some people portay them as, just as ALL falang are not inflicted with the ''Superiority complex'' that is very apparent on this forum.
No one is saying ALL Thais.. In fact I dont even see anyone saying ALL tuktuks.. But the fact remains, that a larger percentage of the tuktuk driving community act in an antisocial and bullying manner than of the general public. The more people tolerate this, and constantly back off in fear of reprisals the more a bully will push. These 'mafias' and cliques gain their power from intimidation if the society refuses to be intimidated their power evaporates.
Posted 2010-01-13 12:54:46
LivinLOS, on 2010-01-13 12:50:58, said: But the fact remains, that a larger percentage of the tuktuk driving community act in an antisocial and bullying manner than of the general public. The more people tolerate this, and constantly back off in fear of reprisals the more a bully will push. These 'mafias' and cliques gain their power from intimidation if the society refuses to be intimidated their power evaporates. That is your opinion, I don't think this is a fact.
It is not a popular opinion at the moment, but IMO: some tuktuk drivers act antisocial, but the (vast) majority are just working guys trying to make a living. And yes, they are friendly enough, no problem at all.
Posted 2010-01-13 12:59:22
stevenl, on 2010-01-13 12:54:46, said: That is your opinion, I don't think this is a fact.
It is not a popular opinion at the moment, but IMO: some tuktuk drivers act antisocial, but the (vast) majority are just working guys trying to make a living. And yes, they are friendly enough, no problem at all.
You do not think that the tuktuk gang mentality makes them act in a more outright confrontational and antisocial manner than the general public ?? Really ??
Then your opinion of the 'general public' must be horrendous.
#67
katabeachbum
Posted 2010-01-13 14:26:27
stevenl, on 2010-01-13 12:54:46, said: LivinLOS, on 2010-01-13 12:50:58, said: But the fact remains, that a larger percentage of the tuktuk driving community act in an antisocial and bullying manner than of the general public. The more people tolerate this, and constantly back off in fear of reprisals the more a bully will push. These 'mafias' and cliques gain their power from intimidation if the society refuses to be intimidated their power evaporates. That is your opinion, I don't think this is a fact.
It is not a popular opinion at the moment, but IMO: some tuktuk drivers act antisocial, but the (vast) majority are just working guys trying to make a living. And yes, they are friendly enough, no problem at all.
"a larger percentage of tuktuk drivers", that would be more than 50%. Antisocial and bully for sure. Just to occupy most public parking and denying others to park there is sufficient. Fact established 
The worst ones are those with rented tuk tuks (70-80% of all Phuket tuktuks). They have a very strong community supporting them, and do what they please.
Posted 2010-01-13 15:13:29
Quote livinlos
So your happy in your role as the victim ??
You seem to have a problem understanding life in general my friend..you watch far too many tough guy movies i reckon...your attitude to Thailand and Thais in general really makes me wonder why you stay here with all us ''inferior victims''.. Maybe something to do with the many well used cliches used, that i don't need to repeat .i'm sure you are well aware of them all, but wouldn't admit the truth anyway!
I am not a victim of anything..Just a really nice easy going tolerant old guy, who i might add has a h%$#% of a lot more''life experience'' under my belt than you probably ever will....Quite easy as i say... heres a recipe you could use, but i'm afraid you will come up rather short on the necessary ingredients, but try it..
RECIPE FOR A HAPPY LIFE.
Take a big heap of intelligence, same amount of tollerance,a splash of good humour,a good amount of common sense, a dash of repartee, a huge amount of self confidence, a dash of humility ...Mix all these ingredients well...ingest and the result is .....
A VERY nice, well adjusted very happy person, living and enjoying every single day as i do and far,far from being a victim ...
Posted 2010-01-13 16:09:49
^
Ahhhh......a graduate of the Neville Chamberlain School of Life.
Posted 2010-01-13 23:46:50
LivinLOS, on 2010-01-13 12:50:58, said: happyinkathu, on 2010-01-13 09:47:10, said:
This is exactly what happens and does so all over the world [and especially in so called developed countries!!] There are always going to be arrogant people , world wide, who have the desire to assert their will in all situations in life, beit on the road or just in the check out queue or as one often see's , right here on TV forum...Up to them...me i sit back and let em go...Jai yen yen..easy!
So your happy in your role as the victim ??
Quote One disturbing trend though is the apparent desire by a few expats to need to use every single incident as an excuse to denigrate ALL Thais in general ..Quite sad to see.. IMO!! ALL Thais in Phuket are not the lowlifes that some people portay them as, just as ALL falang are not inflicted with the ''Superiority complex'' that is very apparent on this forum.
No one is saying ALL Thais.. In fact I dont even see anyone saying ALL tuktuks.. But the fact remains, that a larger percentage of the tuktuk driving community act in an antisocial and bullying manner than of the general public. The more people tolerate this, and constantly back off in fear of reprisals the more a bully will push. These 'mafias' and cliques gain their power from intimidation if the society refuses to be intimidated their power evaporates.
happyinkathu, on 2010-01-13 15:13:29, said: You seem to have a problem understanding life in general my friend..you watch far too many tough guy movies i reckon...your attitude to Thailand and Thais in general really makes me wonder why you stay here with all us ''inferior victims''.. Maybe something to do with the many well used cliches used, that i don't need to repeat .i'm sure you are well aware of them all, but wouldn't admit the truth anyway!
I am not a victim of anything..Just a really nice easy going tolerant old guy, who i might add has a h%$#% of a lot more''life experience'' under my belt than you probably ever will....Quite easy as i say... heres a recipe you could use, but i'm afraid you will come up rather short on the necessary ingredients, but try it..
RECIPE FOR A HAPPY LIFE.
Take a big heap of intelligence, same amount of tollerance,a splash of good humour,a good amount of common sense, a dash of repartee, a huge amount of self confidence, a dash of humility ...Mix all these ingredients well...ingest and the result is .....
A VERY nice, well adjusted very happy person, living and enjoying every single day as i do and far,far from being a victim ...
happyinkathu, not only are you generalizing us, you are generalizing what you think we think about Thai people, Thai people in Phuket, and tuk tuk drivers. Don't. See how often you use words like "seems" or "appearent" or using logic like "you must watch tough guy movies." to support your points. Talk about the facts. Stop generalizing and stop projecting. You assume that we are unhappy because we come on here to vent a little and find some solace in knowing that we aren't alone in our frustrations we occasionally encounter living here.
You seem preocupied in convincing us all that you are happier than us and that in order for us to be HAPPY we need to think like you. But what you fail to realize is we are happy. I can say that I know, to varying degrees, some the other board members participating in this thread either in person or though much discussion in the forums and PMs. I wouldn't categorize them as unhappy or bitter either. And I know I am a very happy person. I love living here and I love much about the Thai people. I even know some tuk tuk drivers that aren't half bad.
It's the system I deplore and decry. A system that allows and even encourages some or the behaviors we are witnessing towards foreigners and Thai's by the members of the transportation monopoly. As was stated, no one said "ALL". In fact if we did it would be moderated out because it's not allowed. No one will say, "But I know some good Thai people in Phuket." Because it doesn't need to be said. It's obvious we all do. It's demoralizing to have to say that, but it's seems that's what you want us to do so you will stop generalizing and extrapolating words and feelings that aren't there. When you do, it really confuses you.
I started this thread not because I dislike Thais in general, Thai's in Phuket, or even all tuk tuk drivers. Nor did I post it to seek approval for my actions. I know I did wrong, despite my debate on what degree I was wrong. I posted it to show yet another example of how out of control some of these tuk tuk guys are. They are fueled by the belief that they can do no wrong. Something needs to change, and change soon or I fear the next big headline grabbing incident is going to really hurt tourism here, which, like may expats living here, I rely on as well as the Thais. As soon as the embassies start issuing travel warnings like they did with King Power at the airports, it will be too late. The damage will be done.
Posted 2010-01-14 05:34:24
Briggsy, on 2010-01-10 13:46:48, said: Another story confirming my decision to no longer visit Phuket.
Indeed, I am flying to Phuke-it this morning, spending the night in Phuke-it town and off to Koh Phi Phi tomorrow.
I have a few undecided nights to spend in the region before I head back to Isaan, but doubt I will be staying at on of the Phuke-it beaches 
#72
katabeachbum
Posted 2010-01-14 09:46:21
ScubaBuddha, on 2010-01-13 23:46:50, said: happyinkathu, not only are you generalizing us, you are generalizing what you think we think about Thai people, Thai people in Phuket, and tuk tuk drivers. Don't. See how often you use words like "seems" or "appearent" or using logic like "you must watch tough guy movies." to support your points. Talk about the facts. Stop generalizing and stop projecting. You assume that we are unhappy because we come on here to vent a little and find some solace in knowing that we aren't alone in our frustrations we occasionally encounter living here.
You seem preocupied in convincing us all that you are happier than us and that in order for us to be HAPPY we need to think like you. But what you fail to realize is we are happy. I can say that I know, to varying degrees, some the other board members participating in this thread either in person or though much discussion in the forums and PMs. I wouldn't categorize them as unhappy or bitter either. And I know I am a very happy person. I love living here and I love much about the Thai people. I even know some tuk tuk drivers that aren't half bad.
It's the system I deplore and decry. A system that allows and even encourages some or the behaviors we are witnessing towards foreigners and Thai's by the members of the transportation monopoly. As was stated, no one said "ALL". In fact if we did it would be moderated out because it's not allowed. No one will say, "But I know some good Thai people in Phuket." Because it doesn't need to be said. It's obvious we all do. It's demoralizing to have to say that, but it's seems that's what you want us to do so you will stop generalizing and extrapolating words and feelings that aren't there. When you do, it really confuses you.
I started this thread not because I dislike Thais in general, Thai's in Phuket, or even all tuk tuk drivers. Nor did I post it to seek approval for my actions. I know I did wrong, despite my debate on what degree I was wrong. I posted it to show yet another example of how out of control some of these tuk tuk guys are. They are fueled by the belief that they can do no wrong. Something needs to change, and change soon or I fear the next big headline grabbing incident is going to really hurt tourism here, which, like may expats living here, I rely on as well as the Thais. As soon as the embassies start issuing travel warnings like they did with King Power at the airports, it will be too late. The damage will be done.
Great post Scuba
Posted 2010-01-14 18:38:12
katabeachbum, on 2010-01-14 09:46:21, said: ScubaBuddha, on 2010-01-13 23:46:50, said: happyinkathu, not only are you generalizing us, you are generalizing what you think we think about Thai people, Thai people in Phuket, and tuk tuk drivers. Don't. See how often you use words like "seems" or "appearent" or using logic like "you must watch tough guy movies." to support your points. Talk about the facts. Stop generalizing and stop projecting. You assume that we are unhappy because we come on here to vent a little and find some solace in knowing that we aren't alone in our frustrations we occasionally encounter living here.
You seem preocupied in convincing us all that you are happier than us and that in order for us to be HAPPY we need to think like you. But what you fail to realize is we are happy. I can say that I know, to varying degrees, some the other board members participating in this thread either in person or though much discussion in the forums and PMs. I wouldn't categorize them as unhappy or bitter either. And I know I am a very happy person. I love living here and I love much about the Thai people. I even know some tuk tuk drivers that aren't half bad.
It's the system I deplore and decry. A system that allows and even encourages some or the behaviors we are witnessing towards foreigners and Thai's by the members of the transportation monopoly. As was stated, no one said "ALL". In fact if we did it would be moderated out because it's not allowed. No one will say, "But I know some good Thai people in Phuket." Because it doesn't need to be said. It's obvious we all do. It's demoralizing to have to say that, but it's seems that's what you want us to do so you will stop generalizing and extrapolating words and feelings that aren't there. When you do, it really confuses you.
I started this thread not because I dislike Thais in general, Thai's in Phuket, or even all tuk tuk drivers. Nor did I post it to seek approval for my actions. I know I did wrong, despite my debate on what degree I was wrong. I posted it to show yet another example of how out of control some of these tuk tuk guys are. They are fueled by the belief that they can do no wrong. Something needs to change, and change soon or I fear the next big headline grabbing incident is going to really hurt tourism here, which, like may expats living here, I rely on as well as the Thais. As soon as the embassies start issuing travel warnings like they did with King Power at the airports, it will be too late. The damage will be done.
Great post Scuba
 YEh ..great post Scuba... ''and so say all of us'' NOT !...Funny thing is, all the comments above were made directly to your mate L/los , not to you.......HUH !!
You like so many ''frequent'' posters misread the post or simply ''pick out'' a snippet and reply to that.
Here is as i posted..'' the apparent desire by a few expats '' a few, a few, a few !! Is that generalising? Wakey, Wakey.
Also i stand by what i said about a FEW of TV frequent posters regarding weapons.
I have been involved in the past in many armed situations [ read my post re; self defense and my mate getting 18 years] and have trouble understanding the self defense [ need a gun, baseball bat on the back seat , mace etc, etc] mentality of some of these guys.
Useing the expression ''too many tough guy movies'' is a truism, because in reality, down and dirty out on the street it is nothing like how these expats think it is.I would say that near all who talk the talk would sh#t themselves big time if the confrontation really occurred.
Bit like you huh..long, strong on the horn, then the flip, both very offensive and challenging behaviour[ even tho now you say you acted in the heat of the moment] fair enough..but?
But when the little tuk- tuk driver ''wants to chat'' you run for your mates security with your tail suitably between your legs..Wheres the gun, dam_n wheres the goddam gun!! On ya mate!
PS.. and then you have the audacity to post..Crazy tuk- tuk tries to run me off the road!Think about it S/b.
Posted 2010-01-15 16:26:27
LivinginKata, on 2010-01-10 13:38:43, said: <snip>
Getting back to the OT, I have long time ago learned not to take on the Tuk Tuks. I just let them get by as quickly as possible.<snip>
Agreed. Treat them like moto-cy's - let them get past and they'll be off, out of your way.
Posted 2010-01-15 16:58:08
JetsetBkk, on 2010-01-15 09:26:27, said: LivinginKata, on 2010-01-10 13:38:43, said: <snip>
Getting back to the OT, I have long time ago learned not to take on the Tuk Tuks. I just let them get by as quickly as possible.<snip>
Agreed. Treat them like moto-cy's - let them get past and they'll be off, out of your way.
And the same applies for instance for tourist-filled busses and minivans that drive at breakneck speed to Phangnga Bay, on the Khokkloy-Phangnga road.
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