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CDNinKS, I would rather address this to Expat Motors as they have come forward. The buyer cannot explain how the white plates were produced but they can.
Expat Motors:
It seems that you have no blue book, at least you have not provided the lawful buyer with even copies for 3 years, how were the white plates produced?
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No Blue Book For My CarAND I BOUGHT IT 3 YEARS AGO
Started by hithere, 2010-01-28 04:28
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Senior Member Posted 2010-01-29 11:20:39
So why did you not get the blue book when you got the white plates? As you said, the book comes with the white plates.
Sorry Mikeyidea, posting at the same time..... Edited by CDNinKS, 2010-01-29 11:23:04. #28
Super Member Posted 2010-01-29 11:23:03
So why did you not get the blue book when you got the white plates? As you said, the book comes with the white plates. Edit: Sorry too CDNinKS Expat Motors, please enlighten us Edited by MikeyIdea, 2010-01-29 11:25:50. #29
Senior Member Posted 2010-01-29 11:59:41 Quote May I recommend addressing Andy Wing of Expat Motors and not the OP. The OP has been ripped-off by Expat Motors, how can he know? You are right, but if the OP did not insist on getting the book the same time he got the white plates, that would make him partly responsible for this......due diligence. #30
Advanced Member Posted 2010-01-29 12:07:53
Quote May I recommend addressing Andy Wing of Expat Motors and not the OP. The OP has been ripped-off by Expat Motors, how can he know? You are right, but if the OP did not insist on getting the book the same time he got the white plates, that would make him partly responsible for this......due diligence. Hi I did ask for the book, i did that from day 1 also asked why it should take so long time to get it, i cant see i am responsible in any of this, paid cash for the car and after 3 years still waiting for the book #31
Advanced Member Posted 2010-01-29 12:09:46
Hi
BTW feel free to ask anything you want and i will try to answer #32
Senior Member Posted 2010-01-29 12:14:05
It's 2nd hand cars so are red plates an issue?
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Senior Member Posted 2010-01-29 12:26:23 Quote Hi I did ask for the book, i did that from day 1 also asked why it should take so long time to get it, i cant see i am responsible in any of this, paid cash for the car and after 3 years still waiting for the book Ok, well I suppose you left the shop in good faith thinking they would get the book to you......but I doubt you will ever do that again and I'm sure everyone who reads this will never walk out of a shop with white plates and no book. Lesson learned the hard way. Quote It's 2nd hand cars so are red plates an issue? Yes, I missed that part.....you are right, it should have had white plates on it already. hithere, what reason did they give you for not having the book available on the day you paid for and picked up the car? Edited by CDNinKS, 2010-01-29 12:28:51. #34
Advanced Member Posted 2010-01-29 12:51:38
Quote Hi I did ask for the book, i did that from day 1 also asked why it should take so long time to get it, i cant see i am responsible in any of this, paid cash for the car and after 3 years still waiting for the book Ok, well I suppose you left the shop in good faith thinking they would get the book to you......but I doubt you will ever do that again and I'm sure everyone who reads this will never walk out of a shop with white plates and no book. Lesson learned the hard way. Quote It's 2nd hand cars so are red plates an issue? Yes, I missed that part.....you are right, it should have had white plates on it already. hithere, what reason did they give you for not having the book available on the day you paid for and picked up the car? This was a brand new car, never used before, thats why it was on red plate, the white plate was sent to me, i live 1000 km from BKK, thats why they told me the book would come later. #35
Senior Member Posted 2010-01-29 13:34:59
Just to get this right. you bought a new car, now 3 years later you want your money back because you do not have a blue book. Could I just ask you how many kilometers are on the clock?
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Super Member Posted 2010-01-29 13:36:40
I need to understand something here please? No one has mentioned the annual road taxes and decal? How has the owner been paying for the tax and CPL insurance the last 3 years? You need the book to do this? I know he says they have not been using the car for some time now but what about in the first couple of years? #37
Super Member Posted 2010-01-29 13:46:01
Just to get this right. you bought a new car, now 3 years later you want your money back because you do not have a blue book. Could I just ask you how many kilometers are on the clock? I understood that as being a work around because he has been ripped off by Expat Motors and paid cash for a new car that 3 years later they still have not transferred to him #38
Senior Member Posted 2010-01-29 14:21:39
I look at expat motors every day for my ideal car, glad i`m taking my time choosing....but sorry to say their bookmark has been deleted...i will look elsewhere now..
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Super Member Posted 2010-01-29 14:41:01
I look at expat motors every day for my ideal car, glad i`m taking my time choosing....but sorry to say their bookmark has been deleted...i will look elsewhere now.. #40
Advanced Member Posted 2010-01-29 14:52:19
Just to get this right. you bought a new car, now 3 years later you want your money back because you do not have a blue book. Could I just ask you how many kilometers are on the clock? I am sure if you read it from the start you will find out i want the blue book, but after 3 years i offered them the car for 700.000 (look post #4) and thats less then the car trade for if you look around. #41
Shaved Member Posted 2010-01-29 15:08:39
The company in question is my company "Expat Motors". Yes we did business with a supplier 3 years ago or so supplying us new cars. In total we had around 80 vehicles from him. After a period of time registation docs from this supplier started to get slower and slower in coming to us. In the end we stopped buying from him and have been stuck with 10 cars with outstanding registration documents due. We found out after some investigations that the supplier was financing the cars after we'd paid cash for them. Anyway he's locked up and we have several unhappy people wanting paperwork, refunds etc from us. We don't have the funds to close the outstanding finance neither can we afford to buy the cars back so in a difficult spot. We are working on selling these cars on, but price is an issue, and have ongoing legal proceedings with the original supplier. We stopped dealing with this individual as soon as we leant something was amiss but continue to deal in cars from more reliable sources. I'm not going to get into an online arguement with anyone on the board regarding this, but wanted to explain the situation from our side. We've been in business for over 10 years and I'm sure there are more than a few Thai Visa readers who are happy with the services we've provided. Andy Wing Expat Motors Well dont for laying it out.. But I have to say thats not the customers fault. If the contract of sale is between the customer and you.. You owe him the books.. Either give him the book, or give him his money back. If your company folds because you made a bad business choice thats your problem. You made a contract / commitment and you need to maintain it or leave the marketplace. No stringing customers along with we hope or please wait. #42
Super Member Posted 2010-01-29 19:57:01
The company in question is my company "Expat Motors". Yes we did business with a supplier 3 years ago or so supplying us new cars. In total we had around 80 vehicles from him. After a period of time registation docs from this supplier started to get slower and slower in coming to us. In the end we stopped buying from him and have been stuck with 10 cars with outstanding registration documents due. We found out after some investigations that the supplier was financing the cars after we'd paid cash for them. Anyway he's locked up and we have several unhappy people wanting paperwork, refunds etc from us. We don't have the funds to close the outstanding finance neither can we afford to buy the cars back so in a difficult spot. We are working on selling these cars on, but price is an issue, and have ongoing legal proceedings with the original supplier. We stopped dealing with this individual as soon as we leant something was amiss but continue to deal in cars from more reliable sources. I'm not going to get into an online arguement with anyone on the board regarding this, but wanted to explain the situation from our side. We've been in business for over 10 years and I'm sure there are more than a few Thai Visa readers who are happy with the services we've provided. Andy Wing Expat Motors Well dont for laying it out.. But I have to say thats not the customers fault. If the contract of sale is between the customer and you.. You owe him the books.. Either give him the book, or give him his money back. If your company folds because you made a bad business choice thats your problem. You made a contract / commitment and you need to maintain it or leave the marketplace. No stringing customers along with we hope or please wait. Something "smells" here. If the car has red plate, it must be a new car. So where the car came from? If it's owned by a Thai guy, for example, i'm sure the car was in the finance, as most of peaple not pay in cash. So far as i can see in the posts, the owner got's the money (he is actually not the owner) and didn't pay the finance company. Ant there is the big mistake. Why Expat Motors handles money to this guy? They should go with this guy (who have the car) to the finance company and clear out the outstanding money directly with the finance company. Every one who have a little bit of common senses, never would pay a local guy 700'k for example, without get informet on outstanding finance. As Expat Motor is in the carbusiness they should know how to deal. #43
Titanium Member Posted 2010-01-29 20:16:05
Some time back I had a problem when buying a second had vehicle from an individual. He had a loan on the vehicle and wanted the money up front. I refused and told him that I didn't care how or if he handled it but no money would change hands until I had the signed off book in my hand. Somehow he worked it out with the finance people and I got the book. I protected my interest and the finance people protected their interests. NEVER buy a vehicle without the book transferring along with the money or you could end up like the OP.
ADDED - Obviously the finance company will NEVER release the book until they are paid off. If the book is to be released, someone will have to pay off the balance. Edited by Gary A, 2010-01-29 20:20:16. #44
Shaved Member Posted 2010-01-29 20:20:49
Some time back I had a problem when buying a second had vehicle from an individual. He had a loan on the vehicle and wanted the money up front. I refused and told him that I didn't care how or if he handled it but no money would change hands until I had the signed off book in my hand. Somehow he worked it out with the finance people and I got the book. I protected my interest and the finance people protected their interests. NEVER buy a vehicle without the book transferring along with the money or you could end up like the OP. I actually did similar for a Thai guy behind on the payments.. I went and paid off the finance co, who released the book to me not him.. Once the book was in my name I wired him the remaining amount as per the agreement. #45
Super Member Posted 2010-01-29 22:17:00
ADDED - Obviously the finance company will NEVER release the book until they are paid off. If the book is to be released, someone will have to pay off the balance. I just wonder how a finance company will finance your car if the blue book takes few weeks to be issue to them. In the main time, the blue book could be register to some other finance? non? And I think it is very wise if bought a second hand car to deal between finance & vendor at the same time + walk away with the blue book. In Australia to receive a insurance cheque from a total write off i did need to pass at the finance company to clear my account. Edited by simcity, 2010-01-29 22:23:15. #46
Advanced Member Posted 2010-01-29 22:47:51
Hi There
The car was new when i bought it, brand new, paid 1,2mill cash for the car + extras around 45.000 Baht and i offered them to take it back for 700.000 and thats under what they sell on the market, thats why i think i will not get the blue book, if they thought they could get the book then they could sell the car and make some money.. #47
Shaved Member Posted 2010-01-29 22:50:18
Jees thats fair on your part.. And they still turn it down ??
At what point did you officially ask for money back.. #48
Senior Member Posted 2010-01-29 23:08:11
How are they selling brand new cars with finance already on them? How does that situation even arise? It's starting to sound really fishy.
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Shaved Member Posted 2010-01-29 23:37:42
He buys a new car.. He pays cash..
They give him the new car and tell him the plate and book is coming.. In the meantime the supplier of the new car take out finance and skips with it.. Seems simple to me.. The argument is between the dealer and the supplier of the cars.. Not the buyer. #50
Senior Member Posted 2010-01-30 00:49:30
The Op and Expatmotors had a contact. Op fulfilled his end and since 3 years Expat is required to fulfil theirs which they havent. It makes no difference if they had/have probs with their supplier. It is their responsibility to do due dilligence on suppliers and protect their business interests. They obviously failed to do that. I would not in 1 million years dream of doing business with Expat knowing the way they handled/are handling this situation. Personally, I would turn this over to my lawyer and have him go after Expat even if it means forcing them into bankruptcy!
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