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Posted 2010-02-08 02:22:02
Global warming to hit rice production: Repo
BANGKOK: -- Rice production is projected to decrease 10 per cent if the world's temperature increases by 1 degree Celsius, said Ed Sarobol, lecturer at Kasetsart Univesity's Faculty of Agriculture, referring to a study by the International Rice Research Institute (IRRI).
At the university's 48th annual con-ference, he cited another study - by |Chiang Mai University's researchers - which has not been published yet, which found that the ear of paddy fields and blossoms will drop if the temperature rises. And the seed will be stunted at 80 per cent if the air temperature exceeds 36.5 degrees.
Ed added that increasing carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration also impacted plant growth and development.
He said if the CO2 concentration is increased, the water-use efficiency and photorespiration in plant will also increase. That means if the CO2 concentration increases every 10 parts per million (ppm), the plant production will be increased by one per cent.
However, the increasing temperature also has a positive effect for agricultural areas which had limitations because of the low temperature. He said farmers living in these areas could grow plants as the temperature rises.
Ed said the global environmental change also had an impact on the development of animals. He said animals would have hypercapnia - a condition where there is too much CO2 in the blood.
The increasing air temperature also affects the animals' respiratory system, membrane fluidity and reproductive health.
Ed said the study conducted last year found that during the period 1951-2000, the country's average minimum temperature increased 0.30 degrees while the average maximum temperature increased 0.13 degrees.
The study also found that the amount of rainfall in summer from November to April has increased while the amount of rainfall in the rainy season from May to October has dropped.
The Water Resources Department has projected that about 21 provinces nationwide will face drought this year. The areas with highest risk of drought are Mae Hong Son, Uthai Thani and Sa Kaew.
"We will closely monitor the rain situation from January to April. If the rains are delayed during this period that means the drought situation would be severe," said the department's director-general, Kasemsun Chinnavaso.
He said the department has prepared water-carrying vehicles to provide water and assist people in dry areas.
-- The Nation 2010-02-08
Posted 2010-02-08 04:07:56
More disinformation from The Great Global Warming Swindle.
Quote He said animals would have hypercapnia - a condition where there is too much CO2 in the blood.
Hypercapnia is generally caused by hypoventilation, lung disease, or diminished consciousness. It may also be caused by exposure to environments containing abnormally high concentrations of carbon dioxide (usually due to volcanic or geothermal causes), or by rebreathing exhaled carbon dioxide.
Posted 2010-02-08 05:16:09
So goes the pseudo-science of FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt).
For our part, we would put 100 rai back into rice production if we could find people available and willing to work the land. It's hard enough just finding people to bring in the mango crop.
Posted 2010-02-08 06:48:22
Well, at least he doesn't say it was "man-made" global warming, so at least he knows that scare is busted.
It's not all bad news, as many commentators have pointed out.
Quote Forests in the Eastern United States are growing faster than they have in the past 225 years.
From the Smithsonian Environmental Research Center blog:
“The chief culprit appears to be climate change, more specifically, the rising levels of atmospheric CO2, higher temperatures and longer growing seasons.”
Posted 2010-02-08 09:11:49
"BANGKOK: -- Rice production is projected to decrease 10 per cent if the world's temperature increases by 1 degree Celsius, said Ed Sarobol, lecturer at Kasetsart Univesity's Faculty of Agriculture, referring to a study by the International Rice Research Institute (IRRI)."
The drop or decrease in Thai rice production is due in part of neighboring countries harvesting, not global warming.
Stiff competition erodes Thailand's rice market share which they wish not to disclose to the public for negative reasons.
Posted 2010-02-08 13:25:57
 This article appears in the March 30, 2007 issue of Executive Intelligence Review.
Carbon Trade Swindle Behind Gore Hoax
by Richard Freeman and Marcia Merry Baker
Look behind—if you dare—Al Gore and his science hoax, and you find the very same London-centered oligarchical financial crew that drove the 2003-2006 oil and commodity price increase, amidst the bubbles and hyperinflation that characterize the breakdown-phase of the financial system. The centerpiece of the U.S. emerging market for carbon emissions trading, is the Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX), created in 2003 as a "voluntary," or pilot agency, part of a London-based network positioned to reproduce the oil bubble on a scale orders of magnitude greater and more dangerous, while at the same time, destroying what's left of the physical economy.
The idea is that if governments cap CO2 emissions, then the "market" will take off for the buying and selling of emissions "allowances." This is the whole point of the "cap-and-trade" plan for CO2. If it sounds crazy, it is. But Gore is just one of the most visible parts of the elaborate (and bi-partisan) schemes that have been set in motion under cover of climate change. Gore's personal financial involvement is blatant, especially through Goldman Sachs—a large shareholder of CCX, and in 2004, the creator of Gore's very own London-based hedge fund, Generation Investment Management.
CCX has multiple interconnections with the London-run Intercontinental Exchange, Inc. (ICE), whose subsidiary is the International Petroleum Exchange, the world's largest petroleum futures and options market. The dirty details of ICE and the Great Oil Price Swindle came out extensively at a May 8, 2006 Senate Democratic Policy Committee hearing, where Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) said that futures speculation on the ICE was the driver for adding $20 to 25 to the price of every barrel of oil, causing hardship to industry and households, and suffering to underdeveloped nations. (The report, "The Role of Market Speculation in Rising Oil and Gas Prices," is still posted on Sen. Levin's website).
Yet Al Gore got away with advocating cap-and-trade CO2 speculation at his much ballyhooed appearance before the joint House Hearing of the Energy and Science Committees March 21. Gore repeatedly told Congressmen to "put a price on carbon." In response to Rep. Roscoe Bartlett (R-Md.), Gore said, "As soon as carbon has a price, you are going to see a wave [of investment] in it ... there will be unchained investment."
But why have neither Republicans nor Democrats challenged Gore on this? And why have they conspicuously refrained from confronting Sir Nicholas Stern—of the 2006 "Stern Review" on global warming, British Environment Minister David Miliband, and the other British "experts" streaming into Washington, D.C. in 2007, to demand U.S. "economic response" to climate change? Political amnesia. Elected officials are tightly locked in the grip of the Synarchist gamemasters—the Felix Rohatyn wing of the Democratic Party, and the George Shultz wing of the GOP—who have been in on creating this and prior swindles all along.
Look, for example, at the who's who involved in the blatant staging of a "pro-green investment" press conference on the eve of the March 21 Gore House and Senate appearance. On March 19, the "Investors Network on Climate Risk" (INCR) held a Washington event to demand Federal action to impose mandatory reductions in greenhouse gases, claiming they represent a $4 trillion pool of funds demanding green ventures. Members of INCR, founded at the UN in 2003, include British Petroleum, Allianz Insurance, the world's largest insurance firm; DuPont, and hosts of state, labor, and church funds of various kinds, that have been herded into line. The INCR is chaired by British activist Norman Dean, who is simultaneously Director of Friends of the Earth.
Al Gore spoke at the May 2005 INCR Investors Summit at the United Nations, in his capacity as Chairman of his Generation Investment Management. He called for following the model of the European Union Emissions Trading Scheme, which started up in 2005. "Monetize emissions; trade them; reduce them," was Gore's mantra.
Gore again plugged green markets trading in April 2006, at Oxford University, at the annual Skoll World Forum for Social Entrepreneurship. This was held at the Skoll Centre, set up by Jeff Skoll, the E-bay billionaire, whose Participant Productions funded Gore's propaganda movie, An Inconvenient Truth. Gore pushed carbon swaps and other green investments, along with his co-chairman of Generation Investment Management, David Blood, formerly Chief of Goldman Sachs Asset Management.
But now in Washington, the pace of lobbying Congress for carbon markets has reached a frenzy. A March 15 forum was titled "From Kyoto to Chicago," because of the theme, that no new, long-lead time successor treaty to the expiring Kyoto Protocol is required for getting world carbon markets going. Carbon trade can commence if just the United States, Europe and Japan start it up, said Jonathan Pershing, emissions trading expert for the World Resources Institute, on whose board sits Al Gore. The same point was stressed by OECD spokesman Brice LaLonde, advisor to the European Carbon Fund (ECF), and head of Friends of the Earth in France said the same. His co-advisor to the ECF, founded in 2006, is William K. Reilly, the EPA director for President George H.W. Bush, and long-time World Wildlife Fund president.
The Investors' Network for Climate Risk's prime social action affiliate, the Coalition for Environmentally Responsible Economies (CERES; founded in 1989), released a January 2007 report entitled, "The Power to Save," which outlined a step-by-step process to put an end to all new power plant construction in Texas, the nation's second-most populous state. The concept is simple: cut emissions; then trade in the scarce emissions "allowances"!
In the current buyout bidding for TXU—the major, 62-year-old Texas electric utility, the offer by KKR and Texas Pacific would acquire TXU on condition that eight of 11 planned coal-fired generator projects be cancelled. The advisor on this so-called environmentalist deal is William K. Reilly, an official in the Texas Pacific Group.
Reilly is co-author of a recent report, "Allocating Allowances in a Greenhouse Gas Trading System"—a how-to booklet for trading in carbon—published by the National Commission on Energy Policy. Launched in November 2002, the NCEP's founding 20 members included Andrew Lundquist, the Executive Director of the 2001 Dick Cheney Energy Taskforce; R. James Woolsey, former CIA Director and long-time Al Gore neo-con advisor, William K. Reilly; John Rowe, CEO of Exelon, and other notables. Funding agencies include the MacArthur Foundation, the Pew Charitable Trust and others.
In the face of this political onslaught, it is useful that so far, the House Democratic and Republican leaderships have agreed not to rush into "cap-and-trade" emissions legislation. They are saying that a go-slow approach is desirable, but the amount of top-down pressure to act now—from Wall Street and City of London speculators, cannot be underestimated. On March 15, Rep. Joe Barton (R-Tex.), the ranking member of the House Energy and Commerce Committee said, "I'm glad to see that this week, Speaker Pelosi had indicated that any bill on global warming considered this year doesn't necessarily have to include a mandatory cap-and-trade scheme." But in reality, these emissions schemes, and their backers should be stopped cold.
The following dossier gives summary references of the major players behind the carbon market swindle.
Chicago Climate Exchange
The mechanisms can best be understood by starting with the Chicago Climate Exchange, listed on the Chicago Board of Trade, and the web of figures and entities connected to it. Since CCX was created in January 2003, it has operated as a "voluntary" pilot project, demonstrating that emissions trading can be done, and developing a functioning operation. Its sister organization, the European Climate Exchange (ECX) has been up and running since 2005, as a result of adoption and implementation of the European Carbon Trading Scheme. After action by the European Union, 12,000 European installations are mandatorily trading CO2 and other emissions.
CCX was initiated through a feasibility study funded by the Joyce Foundation in 2000. As CCX describes it, "Members make a voluntary but legally binding commitment to reduce GHG [greenhouse gas] emissions" over set periods, and then trading can take place in standardized units of carbon emissions. Projects to "offset" emissions are reviewed and licensed; farmland, for example, is qualifiable as a carbon sink under certain standards.
Among the 85-plus members of the CCX to date are DuPont, Duquesne Light Co. (owned by Macquarie), Ford, American Electric Power, and Smithfield Foods, plus the state of New Mexico, city of Chicago and other governments. One prominent CCX participant is Green Mountain Energy, run by the Wyly family of Texas, and big moneybags for Bush in the Presidential elections; three Wyly family members each gave $10,000 to the Swift Boat "527 Committee" to slander John Kerry in 2004. Now the Wyly hedge fund, Maverick Capital, has the distinction of being the worst example of tax-evasion in the United States, by using 58 offshore trusts to hide more than $700 million in income from taxation (Feb. 17, 2007 Senate hearing; Sen. Carl Levin).
Approved aggregators of farmland so far are the Iowa Farm Bureau, the Kentucky Corn Growers Association, and others. The Lugar Stock Farm is a participating "Offset Provider." Sen. Richard Lugar (R-Ind.) boasts that he was the first farmer in his state to sign up. The going rate per unit of carbon emission is about $3.65 (see www.chicagoclimatex.com).
The founder and chairman of CCX is none other than Dr. Richard Sandor, considered one of the fathers of derivatives and futures. He concocted weather futures, earthquake futures, Ginnie Mae futures, and others, and has been working overtime in recent years on the new carbon offset "instruments for transaction." Sandor is a director on the board of London International Financial Futures Exchange (LIFFE), the largest derivatives trading market in London and many other boards.
Getting financing to start up CCX is credited to one Neil Eckert, who at the time was CEO of the firm Brit Insurance, which is in the orbit of Eagle Star Insurance, Ltd., a keystone of the inner core British City of London. The former CEO of Eagle Star Insurance, Clive Coats, now heads up Brit Insurance, and Mr. Eckert has moved on to be CEO of Climate Change Plc, the holding company for CCX and ECX.
Sandor has been hyperactive in lining up participation in these carbon casinos. In March this year, he addressed the annual convention of the National Farmers Union in Orlando, Florida, praising the progress being made on methods of carbon sequestration, and the benefits of trade in carbon credits. He said that there is vast opportunity for international growth in "market-based climate change mitigation." In Fall 2006, the NFU launched its Carbon Credit Program.
As for who owns CCX, according to filings it made between Feb. 6, 2007 and March 14, 2007, the three largest beneficial owners are, with their percent of CCX shares owned: Goldman Sachs Holdings, Inc., 17.87%; Harbinger Capital Master Fund I, 10.4%; Black Rock Investment (i.e. Blackstone Group), 8.95%.
The Board of CCX includes Maurice Strong, and Stuart Eizenstat. Eizenstat, who held posts under President Jimmy Carter and subsequent Administrations, led the U.S. delegation to the 1997 Kyoto Protocol conference on global warming.
Maurice Strong has made an international career in service of financial rip-offs in the name of the environment. In the 1970s, he became first Executive Director of the United Nations Environment Program. In 1992, he was the Secretary-General of the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development (UNED)—known as the Earth Summit. Out of this, the first World Business Council for Sustainable Development (WBCSD) was created, at Strong's instigation. Then in 1999, the WBCSD, in cooperation with UNCTAD, set up the International Emissions Trading Association to push for the greenhouse gas (GHG) market.
In 1992, the same year as Strong's conferencing for "sustainable" business, Richard Sandor co-authored a UN Conference on Trade and Development study, pushing for international trade in emissions. Already, the U.S. market for trading allowances in sulfur dioxide emissions (among 110 power plants) had been launched, under the Bush Administration's 1990 Clean Air Act (Title Four). Sandor told the Wall Street Journal that year, "Air and water are no longer the free goods that economics once assumed. They must be redefined as property rights so that they can be efficiently allocated."
At the time, Sandor was a Director of the Chicago Board of Trade, and an Executive Managing Director for Kidder Peabody, where he pioneered Collateralized Mortgage Obligations (CMOs)—the precursor of the innovative home mortgage securities blowing out today. At one point in the mid-1990s, Kidder Peabody alone had bought up 28% of all CMOs—earning the sobriquet "nuclear waste disposal." Then, when the CMO market burst, threatening the entire financial system, Kidder Peabody was shut down and sold off in parts.
ICE—Global Emissions Speculation
Following the trail of super-speculator Richard Sandor brings out the full scope of the carbon cap-and-trade bubble potential. Two months before launching CCX, Sandor joined the Board of Directors of the Intercontinental Exchange Inc. (ICE), in November 2002, which entity had already acquired the International Petroleum Exchange (IPE) a year before. This placed Sandor in the league of historic commodity rip-offs, going back to the British and Dutch East India companies—entities Sandor has praised explicitly. The Chairman of IPE since 1999, is Sir Robert Reid, chairman and CEO of Shell U.K. Limited from 1985 until 1990, after spending most of his career at Shell.
On Sept. 7, 2004, the ICE released a statement which in its own words, indicates the scope of the strategic transatlantic carbon trading operations, headlined, "CCX and IPE Sign Co-Operation and Licensing Agreement for EU Emissions Trading Scheme/Chicago Climate Exchange Sales and Marketing Subsidiary To Be Based in Amsterdam."
The release states that, "Chicago Climate Exchange, the world's first multi-national and multi-sector marketplace for the reduction and trading of greenhouse gas emissions, and the International Petroleum Exchange (IPE), Europe's leading energy futures and options exchange, announced today the signing of a cash and futures contracts in European Climate Exchange (ECX) Carbon Financial Instruments (CFI)....
"Under the agreement, a series of futures contracts on ECX, CFIs relating to the EUR Emissions Trading Scheme will be launched by the end of the year, with cash products to follow in early 2005. Both the cash and futures products will be listed by the IPOE and traded on the IPE's electronic platform, under licenses from CCX. It is intended that the products will be cleared by LCH.Clearnet, Ltd.
"In conjunction with this significant agreement, CCX announced the establishment of its wholly owned subsidiary ECX, which will serve as a sales and marketing office headquartered in Amsterdam.
"Dr. Richard L. Sandor, Chairman and CEO of CCX, said "Exchange-traded spot and futures contracts on ECX CFIs will facilitate trading for compliance with EU laws, and will being this market the liquidity it needs to operate efficiently. This agreement positions CCX as a global leader in emissions trading, and complements IPE's leadership in the European energy markets."
Thus, a single, integrated speculation machine is ready and waiting for the U.S. Congress to mandate emissions controls, and make way for the "market."
ICE, though juridically located in London, is headquartered in Atlanta, operating as a de jure off-shore agency. "No-action letters" between the Bank of England and the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission, protect the ICE from any form of regulation or record-keeping required by American agencies. ICE is thus literally a British "offshore financial center." The 2006 Senate Democratic Policy Report calling for forcing regulation of the ICE, was subtitled, "Put a Cop Back on the Beat."
Among the latest developments, ICE is making a play for acquiring the Chicago Board of Trade.
Who are the major owners of ICE? The major Anglo-Dutch financial entities. According to ICE's 2006 filings with the SEC, as of Sept. 30, 2005, with percent of ICE shares owned: Morgan Stanley Capital, 11.62%; Goldman Sachs Group, 11.59%: Total Investments USA Inc., 8.12%; BP Products, 7.59%.
Others include Duke Energy, AEP, Continental Power Exchange, Societe Generale Financial Corp.
Rohatyn/Shultz Bum's Rush Is On
This then is the context for the many front groups and political patsies leading the bums' rush for governments to mandate carbon-emission reductions and unleash the "markets." On Jan. 22, 2007, in Washington, D.C., the "United States Climate Action Partnership" (USCAP) announced itself, consisting of ten major corporations including Lehman brothers, Duke Energy, DuPont, Florida Power & Light, BP America, Alcoa, Caterpillar, General Electric, Pacific Gas & Electric, and PNM Resources. They released a "Call to Action," which, in global warming lingo, "lays out a blueprint for a mandatory economy-wide, market-driven approach to climate protection" (see www.us-cap.org).
The World Bank is also on the bandwagon in a big way, led by WB president Paul Wolfowitz since 2005, when he moved in from the Bush-Cheney Administration. The World Bank has a Carbon Finance Organization (www.carbonfinance.org), working as part of the International Emissions Trading Association, to further carbon markets. Wolfowitz personally spoke on Feb. 14 in Washington on global warming, making the pitch that underdeveloped nations can expect to see a flow of some $100 billions from the developed nations, if carbon-reducing schemes are allowed to proceed in the markets.
The Felix Rohatyn wing of the operation is seen in Lehman Brothers participation. Lehman's CEO, Richard Fuld is their spokesman on environmental economics. Fuld's advisor is Rohatyn, whose long career as "bankers' dictator" has specialized in forcing governments to submit to private financial dictates.
The Lehman/USCAP has supplied witnesses all over Capitol Hill in February and March, lobbying for government action on mandatory carbon control. On March 20, a day before Al Gore's celebrity appearance in Congress, the CEOs of Duke Energy and PNM Resources testified to the House Energy Committee that they supported a cap-and-trade program.
The George Shultz wing of the carbon swindle, operating throughout, is most visible in its front-man, Arnold Schwarzenegger. He appeared by satellite at a March 13 press conference at No. 10 Downing Street, along with Chancellor Gordon Brown and Environment Minister David Miliband, to announce a new British legislative proposal to radically extend carbon trading in Britain, even beyond what's up and running in the European Union. This is a precursor for "global carbon markets."
On March 15, Schwarzenegger's Secretary of Environmental Protection, Linda S. Adams, testified to the House Energy Committee on all the initiatives of Schwarzenegger, especially for carbon trading. "I am pleased to announce that on Feb. 26, 2007, Governor Schwarzenegger joined with the governors of Arizona, New Mexico, Oregon, and Washington to sign an historic memorandum of understanding that commits these five Western states to jointly develop a regional greenhouse gas emissions cap and a market-based trading system in our region." In March, Schwarzenegger and British Columbia committed to working together on emissions reductions, as part of a Pacific bloc of states.
A counterpart bloc exists in the Northeast, of ten committed or member states, to trade electricity sector GHG emissions, named the Northeast Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative.
At the Federal level, Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.),the leading bipartisan warmongers, have been the leading bipartisan GHG markets advocates. Since 2003, they have repeatedly filed joint bills to cap emissions and launch GHG markets. Their 2007 version, filed in January, is S. 280. In an article they co-authored in the Los Angeles Times, Jan. 8, 2003, titled, "Tap U.S. Innovation To Ease Global Warming," McCain and Lieberman wrote the format line that, "Global warming is a serious threat. There is overwhelming evidence that increasing amounts of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases are heating up the Earth's climate and that inaction could be disastrous.... One way to limit the release of greenhouse gases is a simple but powerful idea called 'cap and trade,' which is at the core of a bill we are introducing in the Senate.... The 'cap and trade' system is a constructive, business-friendly approach to countering global warming...."
Thus, the intent is evident for the Shultz/Rohatyn supranational financial networks, to impose their green swindle schemes, either through, or despite, an ineffectual Congress.
On March 15, Schwarzenegger's Environmental Protection Secretary Adams demurely informed chairman John Dingell's House Energy and Commerce Committee, "In October 2006, the Governor issued an Executive order (S-20-06), calling on the Air Resources Board to develop a multi-sector, market-based compliance system that could permit trading between the European Union Trading System and the Northeast Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative and others. It also called on me to create a Market Advisory Committee of national and international experts to advise...on the design of such a market-based compliance system...."
Posted 2010-02-08 14:18:23
notice how quiet the believers have gotten? I think I heard crickets chirp.
Posted 2010-02-08 14:33:58
Anyone remembers the fairy tale "The emperor's new clothes" by HC Andersen?
Posted 2010-02-08 14:57:04
More and more people are now realising that climate change is another scam, similar to the Y2K scam. Gore and others have made millions from this.
After SARS, bird flu , AIDS (it was going to kill us all) I wonder what the next big scare will be, and who will make money from it ?
Posted 2010-02-08 14:59:44
Completely putting aside the conspiracy theories articles and references, I once read an article that said rice fields themselves (or rather: their owners) are a major contributor to global warming -- when water isn't drained in the non-productive season, gadzillions of bacteria eat the remains in the drink and emit lotsa CO2 (or was it methane, which is 34 times more "efficient" per volume?). Did the report or the university guy mention that too?
Edited by AsiaCheese, 2010-02-08 15:02:56.
Posted 2010-02-08 15:06:47
The collapse of AGW has got to go down as one of the quickest falls from grace in history. The tide has turned, people have woken up and the scam has been exposed.
Posted 2010-02-08 15:54:33
Quote ~snip~
The study also found that the amount of rainfall in summer from November to April has increased while the amount of rainfall in the rainy season from May to October has dropped.
~snip~
I would have thought Thailand's agricultural productivity could benefit from the above. July to Sept (inclusive) rainfall is too heavy to capture and benefit, at best only 20% this rainfall would be translocated through plants, the rest is runoff etc. For the Nov to April period to have any rainfall other than the Jan 3-7th Mango rain would be extremely beneficial if it became a truly recorded fact. What better than to have consistent rain in what was once a dry season!! I've always said, Australia's southern coastal agriculture will die if global warming goes in the direction of the pundits, but the northern tropical rains will go further south, thus balancing up rainfall areas, but redistributing the rainfall into tropical areas. The same I would predict for Thailand. The Northeast will be the biggest winner as rains became more consistent through the dry season. If the government through the department handling irrigation are able to enhance the already magnificent irrigation systems throughout the country, then Thailand will eventually become a super gold mine of agriculture. My 50cents worth.
Posted 2010-02-08 17:39:29
 Patong Bob, on 2010-02-08 15:57:04, said:
More and more people are now realising that climate change is another scam, similar to the Y2K scam. Gore and others have made millions from this.
After SARS, bird flu , AIDS (it was going to kill us all) I wonder what the next big scare will be, and who will make money from it ?
Posted 2010-02-08 17:51:46
lannarebirth, on 2010-02-08 17:39:29, said:
Hi. I am a simpleton with no understanding of science. I suspended rational thought long ago. I take pride in participating in the destruction of the planet. I enjoy posting whatever nonsense Exxon-Mobile tells me to post to divert people from the fact that global warming and climate change are real. I think it is fun to totally ignore reality and engage in conspiracy theories. I guess I am a certified lunatic. 
Posted 2010-02-08 18:22:54
mridiot, on 2010-02-08 17:51:46, said: lannarebirth, on 2010-02-08 17:39:29, said:
Hi. I am a simpleton with no understanding of science. I suspended rational thought long ago. I take pride in participating in the destruction of the planet. I enjoy posting whatever nonsense Exxon-Mobile tells me to post to divert people from the fact that global warming and climate change are real. I think it is fun to totally ignore reality and engage in conspiracy theories. I guess I am a certified lunatic.
I guess you haven't been keeping up with the news. Try searching 'climate/glacier/amazon/africagate'.
Maybe there can be some kind of debate about the climate now.
Posted 2010-02-08 19:18:15
Incredibly, even the craven mainstream UK media -- long-time loyal unquestioning AGW lackeys, are back-pedalling furiously like Wile E. Coyote after he runs off the edge of a canyon cliff...... 
Edited by RickBradford, 2010-02-08 19:22:50.
Posted 2010-02-08 19:36:11
mridiot, on 2010-02-08 17:51:46, said: lannarebirth, on 2010-02-08 17:39:29, said:
Hi. I am a simpleton with no understanding of science. I suspended rational thought long ago. I take pride in participating in the destruction of the planet. I enjoy posting whatever nonsense Exxon-Mobile tells me to post to divert people from the fact that global warming and climate change are real. I think it is fun to totally ignore reality and engage in conspiracy theories. I guess I am a certified lunatic.
Don't be embarrassed, you're certainly not alone. Anyhow, the "Shock Doctrine" doesn't so much deny that disasters happen; they surely do. It is mainly a thesis that says that with every new ocurrence some group makes a huge profit from it and some other group of people loses some economic or other freedoms.
Posted 2010-02-08 20:40:52
lannarebirth, on 2010-02-08 19:36:11, said: mridiot, on 2010-02-08 17:51:46, said: lannarebirth, on 2010-02-08 17:39:29, said:
Hi. I am a simpleton with no understanding of science. I suspended rational thought long ago. I take pride in participating in the destruction of the planet. I enjoy posting whatever nonsense Exxon-Mobile tells me to post to divert people from the fact that global warming and climate change are real. I think it is fun to totally ignore reality and engage in conspiracy theories. I guess I am a certified lunatic.
Don't be embarrassed, you're certainly not alone.
Oh, I am not embarassed at all. I have been dumb as a rock all my life.
I make Forrest Gump look like a genius!
I know I am an idiot without any ability to think.
I don't think I could think my way out of a paper bag.
The truth is that I failed every science course I ever took.
The good news is just like you said, "....you're certainly not alone."
In fact, it appears I have a lot in common with many of the people posting here.
Posted 2010-02-08 21:28:43
Quote Hi. I am a simpleton with no understanding of science. I suspended rational thought long ago. .
Not to worry. There were many people like yourself who fell for the Man-made Global Warming scare.
If you are capable of re-engaging your "rational thought" somehow, then you will be welcome in the ranks of people who are concerned about serious existing environmental problems such as industrial pollution, over-population and so on.
But if you are truly a simpleton with no understanding of science, then you should send a donation to Al Gore immediately to make yourself feel better.
Posted 2010-02-08 22:29:57
Gas in our green Houses.....( to make food)
Posted 2010-02-08 22:32:26
There is too much confusion and complexity being bandied around.
There is only ONE SINGLE PROBLEM on this earth.
Too many selfish people.
STOP HAVING BRATS and the WORLD will be SAVED!
Unfortunately all the crap about saving the world, global warming etc. is NOT about saving the world, it is about perpetuating the survival of the nastiest living thing to ever exist. The world does NOT need us, we are a terrible destructive force in our striving to dominate the entire planet.
If you care about the future of the world and not just your own selfish concern, determined by some genetic force (read a bit of Dawkins), that YOU must keep YOUR genes going, then in just 100 years the world will have NO humans and revert to a paradise.... No pollution, no wars, no genocide and no bankers or politicians. Aahhh, wouldn't that be just GREAT?
Just think about it and your motives.....
After all, you will not be around to see it, and, as the brats you never had will not have existed, what is the problem? In 200 years we have depleted the world's resources, killed hundreds of millions of our own kind and for what?
In just 100 years we can fix everything.
NO MORE BRATS.
Edited by 12DrinkMore, 2010-02-08 22:40:45.
Posted 2010-02-09 02:41:35
12DrinkMore, on 2010-02-08 22:32:26, said: There is too much confusion and complexity being bandied around.
There is only ONE SINGLE PROBLEM on this earth.
Too many selfish people.
STOP HAVING BRATS and the WORLD will be SAVED!
Unfortunately all the crap about saving the world, global warming etc. is NOT about saving the world, it is about perpetuating the survival of the nastiest living thing to ever exist. The world does NOT need us, we are a terrible destructive force in our striving to dominate the entire planet.
If you care about the future of the world and not just your own selfish concern, determined by some genetic force (read a bit of Dawkins), that YOU must keep YOUR genes going, then in just 100 years the world will have NO humans and revert to a paradise.... No pollution, no wars, no genocide and no bankers or politicians. Aahhh, wouldn't that be just GREAT?
Just think about it and your motives.....
After all, you will not be around to see it, and, as the brats you never had will not have existed, what is the problem? In 200 years we have depleted the world's resources, killed hundreds of millions of our own kind and for what?
In just 100 years we can fix everything.
NO MORE BRATS.
The other more likely solution is interplanetary migration.
Posted 2010-02-09 06:50:53
RickBradford, on 2010-02-08 21:28:43, said: Quote Hi. I am a simpleton with no understanding of science. I suspended rational thought long ago. .
Not to worry. There were many people like yourself who fell for the Man-made Global Warming scare.
If you are capable of re-engaging your "rational thought" somehow, then you will be welcome in the ranks of people who are concerned about serious existing environmental problems such as industrial pollution, over-population and so on.
But if you are truly a simpleton with no understanding of science, then you should send a donation to Al Gore immediately to make yourself feel better.
Good one. That is right out of my favorite book: The Idiot's Guide to Becoming a Global Warming Denier.
Being an idiot, it is not easy for me to read and understand the book.
But it does say that when your side is full of idiots who lack any understanding of science, can't respond to science with science, are dominated by liars and irresponsible morons, and have absolutely no real concern about environmental problems, you will lose any debate with real scientists working on the problem unless you project onto the other side all of your faults.
And that is what you just did! You must be real smart to project on to the other side's camp your camp's faults. Guess you read the book too.
After all, we all know the scientists are telling the truth and are about one million times smarter than all of us put together (oh.......maybe I should not have told the truth here......but I am an idiot and sometimes things slip out).
But, like I said before, I enjoy being in total denial.
It is fun posting what Exxon-Mobile wants me to post.
I want to keep polluting the planet and spending money on the outdated energy they control.
I like war and the money corporations make from it.
I want, very much, to destroy the planet and make life worse for every person alive today.
I am not sure why. Maybe it is just because I am a total idiot.
Wow, I thought I was alone Bradford. It is nice to know we are so similar.
We really need to promote this outstanding book: The Idiot's Guide to Becoming a Global Warming Denier
If enough people read it, maybe things will just get worse and we will win!
Posted 2010-02-09 07:18:14
Ed added that increasing carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration also impacted plant growth and development.
 WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have never read such utter Tosh in all my life.
Who writes this stuff ? co2 is what plants breathe. The more co2 you give a plant the bigger and faster it grows. without co2 we would not be here.
I had a friend back home who used to grow a crop. When added a co2 delivery system to his greenhouse his yield went up 4 fold and matured a lot quicker. The biggest cause of warming is water vapour but politicians realised that they could not tax water vapour or control what people did or where they went with that but co2 was a different matter altogether. That's why they all love the thought of co2 being the culprit.
Luckily the whole charade is falling apart faster than a Samui suit. Soon people will look back and wonder how so many people were so stupid !
Posted 2010-02-09 09:07:37
mridiot, on 2010-02-08 20:40:52, said: lannarebirth, on 2010-02-08 19:36:11, said: mridiot, on 2010-02-08 17:51:46, said: lannarebirth, on 2010-02-08 17:39:29, said:
Hi. I am a simpleton with no understanding of science. I suspended rational thought long ago. I take pride in participating in the destruction of the planet. I enjoy posting whatever nonsense Exxon-Mobile tells me to post to divert people from the fact that global warming and climate change are real. I think it is fun to totally ignore reality and engage in conspiracy theories. I guess I am a certified lunatic.
Don't be embarrassed, you're certainly not alone.
Oh, I am not embarassed at all. I have been dumb as a rock all my life.
I make Forrest Gump look like a genius!
I know I am an idiot without any ability to think.
I don't think I could think my way out of a paper bag.
The truth is that I failed every science course I ever took.
The good news is just like you said, "....you're certainly not alone."
In fact, it appears I have a lot in common with many of the people posting here.
Don't believe for a minute you've got anything in common with "many of the people posting here". Most have earned respect with years of contribution. Your self confessed idiocy is only matched by your sarcasm.
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