Posted 2010-03-13 00:22:38
 tangcoral, on 2010-03-12 23:52:17, said:
Speaking from experience, I have a 1.5 year old and a wife in our 2007 yaris.
Great on gas, drives well, easy to park, low maintenance, and roomier than it looks from the outside.
However, 2 things issues that point towards upgrading to something else.
1. Safety - something about the size worries me.
2. Not so roomy when you add a car seat, stroller, diaper bag and your groceries.
Yes this the problem with the Yaris from my experience the Jazz has much more room amazingly enough as for safety it's the way the world is heading and they do have International crash test safety standards to meet and they do better then you would think but in extreme cases nothing short of a tank will be totally safe people even die quite often in larger vehicles such as SUV's and pickups from roll overs etc.. You're the driver, it's up to you to be defensive in anything you drive..
yaris/vios/jazz - Its definitely doable but the limited space issue gets a bit annoying
thus why I am in the market for WISH.
Yes a wish is a nice package too and one I overlooked.. We saw one for sale second hand several months ago but it was out of our price range it was loaded with 2 DVD players/TV as well..
With a budget of 500-600K there's not much out there other then a pick-up ,if it's any safer that is.
Unless your looking at 5+ year old car you can't get new with that price range.
The Wish we saw second hand was well within that price range...
Out of curiosity, why all this talk about the Jazz and not Yaris.
Is the Yaris inferior to the Jazz? Yes, IMO in terms of price/package, performance and cargo space.
Posted 2010-03-13 00:45:21
WarpSpeed, on 2010-03-13 00:22:38, said: tangcoral, on 2010-03-12 23:52:17, said: Speaking from experience, I have a 1.5 year old and a wife in our 2007 yaris.
Great on gas, drives well, easy to park, low maintenance, and roomier than it looks from the outside.
However, 2 things issues that point towards upgrading to something else.
1. Safety - something about the size worries me.
2. Not so roomy when you add a car seat, stroller, diaper bag and your groceries.
Yes this the problem with the Yaris from my experience the Jazz has much more room amazingly enough as for safety it's the way the world is heading and they do have International crash test safety standards to meet and they do better then you would think but in extreme cases nothing short of a tank will be totally safe people even die quite often in larger vehicles such as SUV's and pickups from roll overs etc.. You're the driver, it's up to you to be defensive in anything you drive..
Out of curiosity, why all this talk about the Jazz and not Yaris.
Is the Yaris inferior to the Jazz? Yes, IMO in terms of price/package, performance and cargo space.
Wish I knew that beforehand but the wifey thought the yaris was more "hip looking" when the newer generation jazz wasnt out yet.
I'm a more of a honda guy just cause I like the way the suspension feels more than the toyotas.
And OP, out of 7 years using this nickname on at least 5 different forums not one has mentioned what my name meant. I'm a bit surprised you nailed it.
Edited by tangcoral, 2010-03-13 00:48:25.
Posted 2010-03-13 02:52:21
INTJ, on 2010-03-12 18:36:00, said: Hi Mr "WarpSpeed", please allow me to address the issues you raised.
"As for German cars I've produced & competed on a professional level in manufacturers from both countries"
"Produced" what ? And which "both countries", you only mention Germany
"nothing revs, pulls and has the durability like the smaller bore Honda engines in stock trim over even larger displacement German brands"
Not even Porsche, BMW M3, CLS600, Audi V8 ? What a ridiculous statement
"I set numerous track records, wins, poles and fastest laps in my own VW's over the years and right now currently own an older VW Vento "
Well done, did you fit spoilers to your old Vento to break all these records ?
Zzzzzz 
I've just come back to post this in further response, I'll tell ya what since you're so bored, I'm going to throw down the gauntlet on this one.. When you get your BMW/Toy kit car completed up to your specs and you're comfortable with it let me know and we can have a ThaiVisa track day at Bira with any ThaiVisa members who wish to attend so that way we can split the cost and make a social day of it and I will even throw in professional coaching lessons (usually a required fee) for those of whom are interested..
I'll bring my virtually stock (except for the LP conversion at this point anyway and the imagined "spoilers" you mention) 16 year old, VW Vento so it's about the same age as your Bimmer and I'll challenge you to run faster laps then me if your kit car holds together that is over the course of any 10 laps chosen, consecutive or not. With all the mods you'll have on it you should not only be faster (though I doubt it) you should be significantly faster.. There it is, the ball is in your court do you have any or just talk?
Edited by WarpSpeed, 2010-03-13 02:58:43.
Posted 2010-03-13 02:56:29
tangcoral, on 2010-03-13 00:45:21, said: Wish I knew that beforehand but the wifey thought the yaris was more "hip looking" when the newer generation jazz wasnt out yet.
I'm a more of a honda guy just cause I like the way the suspension feels more than the toyotas.
And OP, out of 7 years using this nickname on at least 5 different forums not one has mentioned what my name meant. I'm a bit surprised you nailed it.
Wish!..........Ha! I get it! Play on words!!!......Seriously though on second thought the "Wish" kinda takes the sport out of the OP's desires as it is entirely a family cross over..
Posted 2010-03-13 06:13:43
WarpSpeed,
Would you be willing to give me some free lessons before we have our race ? Otherwise you might have an unfair advantage with your amazing skills.
It's probably not fair to hijack this thread with any more p*ssing contests, though.
Cheers
Posted 2010-03-13 13:45:15
That's why I just made the challenge and then it would be done with and you just keep blathering on but yet you haven't responded to the challenge at hand which would end the "p*ssing contest" as you called it once and for all (which is your perspective and precipitated by your patronizing and condescending tone)....JFYI I'm sure you could win that one anyway, (pissing contest that is).... Or in all seriousness maybe just a go kart track day for less cost and risk would suit you? This thread had already pretty much run it's course... Awaiting your answer....
Edited by WarpSpeed, 2010-03-13 13:46:45.
Posted 2010-03-13 14:01:43
>>ThaiVisa track day at Bira
That would be fun. What's the track rental for the day?
Posted 2010-03-13 14:41:55
2000b per person daily from 13:00 to 17:00 and yes I think it could be a fun social.. They are not clear on car specs though it should be allowed to have a go with a well prepared street car if a scrutineering is set up for safety and a bit of common sense applied but it is vague as to whether or not street cars are allowed, I think they would be if proper precautions were taken.. I know they have events with clubs of street legal cars all the time..
*edit* That's an open track with potentially other much faster cars out there so it would be very important to be well versed in proper track etiquette and safety hence the uncertainty. To lease the track exclusively where it would likely be more permissible and less dangerous it will cost somewhere around 55 to 70,000 depending on the services required. But having said that it is very rare to have a lot of cars on an open track day so it is possible to work around each other..
Edited by WarpSpeed, 2010-03-13 14:49:26.
Posted 2010-03-13 15:35:18
Warpspeed, as I said, I'm not interested in any p*ssing contests with you, or gauntlets, or races or whatever. I have nothing to prove to anybody, it's not my style.....however you are obviously a motoring enthusiast like myself, and even though you called my car a b'stard which was way below the belt, I shall refrain from bickering with you in the future 
I think a TV Bira track day is a great idea.
Maybe better to take this to the hot hatch thread ?
Cheers
Posted 2010-03-13 17:23:33
^ Moved to the Hot hatch thread then...
Posted 2010-03-13 19:07:59
corkman, on 2010-03-11 19:41:51, said: INTJ, on 2010-03-11 12:31:05, said: The Jazz build quality is dreadful. All of the late model Jap cars are soulless and depressing to drive....... if you are a motoring enthusiast to any degree........buy an old European car. We have a Honda crapmobile and a 20 year old Volvo, I will take the Volvo everywhere and anywhere and always enjoy the drive (mine has Toyota 1JZ 2500cc engine and LPG). Lots of old Mercedes around - you could get a really nice W124 300E for half the price of a Jazz - an absolute no brainer IMO. Unless you want a functional, bland, boring, ubiquitous transportation device.
Just lift and drop the bonnet of the Jazz. Feel the lack of quality and substance. That is what you are buying.
Cheers
I would have no problem guying a used car, and would probably prefer to, but the over whelming majority of people I have asked have said that its a big mistake to a buy a second hand car in thailand.....
Only peaple who not do any calculations with their money, without commonseses and no knowledge say that.
Just bought for 100'k for my wife a old 123 Benz wit a 1JZ Toyota engine inside. Yes, i spent about 20'k for suspension, tires, exhoust and some minor bodyrepairs (because it's a used car, not a new one, but that's narmal) and for 120 grand she have now a car, which she can drive for a couple years and can be sold any time for 100'k if she don't want it anymore or maybe even more. Yes, using a little bit more gasoline, i know that already, but what is the difference between 7 to 10 liter for 100 km? Can consider only the 3 liter difference, because the Jazz use also gasoline as well (it doesn't run on air), wich is approx. 90 Baht more per 100km (this would be 9'000 Baht more if she drives 10'000km per year.
That kind of money she saves already on yearly insurance and road tax, because it's a older car. But she or we driving confortable, powerful 6 cylinder car with a smooth ride, safe and strong body (no plastic bumpers and no plastic door handles wich braking allways a parts), such a car is cheap and easy for parts and now the trick: KEEP 500'k in the bank, no headache for monthly payments and NO devaluation in the price for years.
Posted 2010-03-13 20:51:21
^ Well for me personally I can't disagree as I said that is exactly what I did with my VW but if someone is not mechanically confident or knows the proper way around the Thai automotive market and that definitely includes the after market parts and service aspect as well as having the time required to devote to searching, testing and evaluating so many frogs to find the prince worthy of taking home then of the choices he listed as his top 4 his best bet is a Jazz yes? Or else he can get himself into a world of hurt with something second or even third hand..
Posted 2010-03-14 00:51:15
proximity, on 2010-02-28 01:38:12, said: Basically the two choices are the Honda City/Jazz or the Toyota Vios/Yaris. Everything else will have a negative such as poor resale, poor aftersales support, etc. Sure you won't stand out in either but you won't regret it either when it comes time to sell.
i dont know about that but i brought a new vios g limted 700grand. 3months later try to sell only got 500grand for it .and that was when the pound was 64bt. also drives like a shoping trolly.
Posted 2010-03-14 08:09:06
My 2006 City ZX drives perfectly, only thing to complain about is lack of power when overtaking otherwise a very good car (for the money). 
Again corkman, go rent some wheels and then make up your mind, best way to check.
Posted 2010-03-15 04:42:56
guzzi850m2, on 2010-03-14 01:09:06, said: Again corkman, go rent some wheels and then make up your mind, best way to check.
This is exactly what we plan to do - we'll probably find a jazz or similar to rent for a reasonable amount, and see if we can live with it, and then purchase something on the basis of that.
Thanks everyone for your advice.
Posted 2010-03-15 14:34:31
Just bare in mind that rental cars are beat to crap and don't base your entire opinion on just that alone. Look at the overall utility and consider how it fits your lifestyle as well as how well the car is holding up under some of the most extreme conditions of rental...
For me the versatility of the shifting is hard to beat...
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