The idea that the government has made up the story to increase the need to invoke the ISA seems realistic. Were the story 100% true then I suspect that Abhisit would be more worried about his position than ever. However, he continues to maintain a quiet calm when questioned about various events, including the Bangkok Bank bombings.
So, do these weapons actually exist?
If they have actually been stolen, are they now in the hands of the military faction of the UDD, a rebel group of soldiers who want to overthrow Anupong or another group who have their own take on the whole political fiasco that currently has Thailand stumbling along from one petty situation to the next?
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6,000 Guns And Explosives Stolen From Thai Army Barracks
Started by webfact, 2010-03-07 17:34
#52
splodger
Advanced Member Posted 2010-03-07 18:43:35
Probe on stolen Thai army weapons underway BANGKOK (TNA) -- An investigation into massive losses of weapons and explosives stolen from an arms depot of a military camp in the southern province of Phatthalung is underway, according to Panitan Wattanayagorn, acting government spokesman. The incident was reported to police and concerned officials last Thursday, said Dr Panitan, adding that investigators were checking whether the stolen weapons and explosives were secretly transported within the insurgency-affected southern provinces or to Bangkok where anti-government protesters from the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) plan to hold a mass demonstration next Sunday aimed at ousting the government. UDD activists nationwide will begin moving to Bangkok March 12 and will gather at Sanam Luang in the morning of March 14. Asked whether the Fourth Army Region which is responsible for security in the South should be held accountable for the loss of the materiel, Dr Panitan said the probe is focusing on whether it was an inside job. Security at other army weaponry warehouses, especially in Bangkok, has been tightened following Thursday's incident, he added. (TNA)  -- TNA 2010-03-07  #53
millwall_fan
Senior Member Posted 2010-03-07 18:44:19
This sounds like a ruse to enable to invoke the internal security act and keep the Red Shirts out of central Bangkok. The easy steps have been taken: banning E-tans from the streets, announcing that any vehicle used as a barracade will be destroyed. Now they have an excuse to search vehicles and individuals and generally harrass participants. The ruling elite are shit scared and its showing! 6,000 weapons just Walking out of a base in Pattalung close to the Southern insurgency problem. yeah right!
#54
Jerrytheyoung
Senior Member Posted 2010-03-07 18:44:42
Excellent post but the point is: "6000 lost weapons is the usual amount every week. Nothing to worry about. Business as usual."
So we go to Chatuchak next week end to purchase one rifle? #55
robertson468
Senior Member Posted 2010-03-07 18:46:36
This is pretty serious. Both if Red T-shirts or Muslim insurgents. 6000 assault rifles!!!! large amount of explosives!!!! Weapons deposit without serious guards? Incompetent and inept people. This really is mind boggling!! Every Regiment should have an Orderly Officer, who changes on a daily basis and who is responsible for checking all the armouries in the Regiment and then submit his/her report to the Adjutant at the end of his/her duty. So we have one of two scenarios: a. The weapons were being smuggled out on an almost daily basis which means there was one hel_l of alot of people in cahoots with this plot - very scary thought  .or b. Something like about 5 to six four ton vehicles were drawn up to the armoury and loaded with the weapons. This would take alot of manpower to execute quickly, or not alot of manpower that took it's time, with no one questioning what was going on - an equally scary thought .6,000 weapons are sufficient to arm 10 Battalions of Infantry! Assuming these weapons have gone and this is not just some Government ruse to implement the ISA (Internal Security Act) for the Red Shirts demonstration, some very senior Army Officers need to be questioned as to how a crime of this enormity could be allowed to be perpetraed on their watch and what their motives are for allowing it to happen - yet another very scary thought .I think I will stop now because the light in my bunker hole is begining to fade - sleep tight everybody and don't let the bogey man get you  .
#56
LivinLOS
Shaved Member Posted 2010-03-07 18:48:45
http://www.thaivisa....ch-t345062.html
Quote BANGKOK: -- Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva yesterday said recent intelligence reports had pointed to the possibility of sabotage taking place on March 14. He said the government was closely monitoring the situation and would make sure no weapons are smuggled out of military barracks. #57
thepodest
Senior Member Posted 2010-03-07 18:49:13
Investigation going on over stolen war weapons: PM Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said the Fourth Army Area is conducting a probe into the theft of war weapons from one of its regiments. Abhisit said he has been informed of the theft on Wednesday. He said the weapons were stolen from Engineering Regiment 401.  -- The Nation 2010-03-07 I expect ahbisit's typical response to this to be something like "we are investigating it bla bla". I'm sorry but this guy lack any balls to stand up against anything (maybe except for taksin). Same thing with gt200. Not enough balls to critisize the thai army #58
rainman
Platinum Member Posted 2010-03-07 18:49:21
How do we know the government didn't let the weapons disappear and is now trying to blame it on the red shirts? If the red shirts (Thaksin) wanted guns and explosives, I'm pretty sure they would have easier ways of getting them than stealing them from an army base. Use common sense, people.
#59
animatic
Observant member Posted 2010-03-07 18:51:14
I'll add my two cents. In most militaries around the world, including Thailand one would find that arsenals and unit-level armories alike are guarded with not only human guards and intensive physical security systems, but access to them requires layered access measures and penetrating a minimum of triple-lock security. The arms facility itself is locked with more than one ultra high-security lock and the individual weapon racks are also similarly locked. The keys to these facilities are also very carefully secured and controlled. One poster questioned what an engineer unit was doing housing such items. It is engineer units that customarily use military explosives & demolitions in the accomplishment of their unit missions and they indeed maintain stocks for these purposes. More to the point though...nobody simply strolls into an arms room or arms depot, and walks away casually, or surrepticiously with 6,000 weapons and explosives. Any insurgent-led attempt to do so would be the cause of a major incident that could not be brushed under the rug..nor would it be. This reeks painfully of an inside job. Identifying those persons in the chain of command who are responsible for the security of these missing arms should be a simple matter; they in turn should be publicly named and charges brought against them for high treason to the state. Placed under intensive interrogation the truth would be bound to emerge. This would include unit-level armorers, supply personel and unit commanders all the way up to and including the seniormost general officer placed in a direct leadership role. Something also tells me that all this will never occur. It is a very sad day for the Royal Thai Army. This is the level of security a GENERAL can get past quietly, understand totally, and know how to circumvent quietly. Especially with a LOT OF MONEY at hand, this is Thailand after all, you can BUY a brother, sister and their mother to sleep with if you have a little cash, and more cash can get them to all sleep with you together for a night and make merit in the morning and forget it happened... 5,000+ cash can get someone killed... Not much can't be bought here for the right amounts. 'Cash is King' here and Thaksin has been topping up the troupes lately. So how much for an Issan draftee or non-com or 2nd Lui to look away when a full general tells you to? With the added promise of reassignment OUT OF THE DEEP SOUTH. Pretty easy to get someone young and stupid to go for that deal I suspect. Especially if it matches your politics back home. Now add a dozen soldier driven military vans to run up some sniper ordinance and explosives, with the rest to come 'guarded' by soldiers with written orders in uniform... If a few guys on roof tops start picking off either Red Shirts or Army Conscripts, and there is a grouping of Monks and women in between the two groups... well this makes for BAD television. Thaksin DESPERATELY needs this kind of over the top video to rehabilitate himself to the world... at least in his mindset. A certain General seems nutty and desperate enough to try this, an old school guerrilla fighter, if past actions are read properly, possessing has no compunctions whatsoever. I pray my reading of this is wrong and it IS just coincidental... Edited by animatic, 2010-03-07 18:59:06. #60
Smiles
Advanced Member Posted 2010-03-07 18:51:46
were they sold by the barrack's commander to anybody with cash, insurgents or just common criminals? if it was insurgents surely there would be brake in, damage, several tracks to evacuate armaments and assilants - and there would be a chase after them. A newly formed People's army?? #61
George4
Advanced Member Posted 2010-03-07 18:52:48
Stolen? James Bond and the SAS combined couldn't pull off a stunt like that even working from a script.
Perhaps someone just made himslef a right few quid and the guns have gone bye bye to some foreign land who knows. BUt go to the red shirts to get tooled up for a rally? Not unles they are planning a mass suicide. They got guns and explosive but no mention of ammunition. " You got one bullet each guys make em count"  Let's get real here....If 6000 farmers , rice workes and the 2 ugly ones from the Doll House turn up at the rally armed to the teeth then it will be the last rally they ever attend. There are something like 80,000 soldiers in the Thai Army. It would be like a Sunday golfer taking on Tiger Woods and there would be only one outcome...No more red shirts. So unless the Red Shirt leaders are totally dumb, which I am sure they are not then it just isn't going to happen. Maybe I'm naive but I can't see why anyone would want to start a fight that would destroy a movement they are trying to build. Edited by George4, 2010-03-07 18:53:53. #62
rainman
Platinum Member Posted 2010-03-07 18:55:00
were they sold by the barrack's commander to anybody with cash, insurgents or just common criminals? if it was insurgents surely there would be brake in, damage, several tracks to evacuate armaments and assilants - and there would be a chase after them. A newly formed People's army?? With the good relations Thaksin is enjoying with Cambodia, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't need to steal the weapons from an army base, but could simply smuggle them across the border in the North and North-East. My guess is like many other people's thoughts ..that the government is using this as an excuse to invoke the security act. #63
rainman
Platinum Member Posted 2010-03-07 18:56:15
Let's get real here....If 6000 farmers , rice workes and the 2 ugly ones from the Doll House turn up at the rally armed to the teeth then it will be the last rally they ever attend. There are something like 80,000 soldiers in the Thai Army. It would be like a Sunday golfer taking on Tiger Woods and there would be only one outcome...No more red shirts. And also no more government, because I don't think that Thais would accept a government that massacred 6000 rice farmers. Common sense, anyone? #64
rainman
Platinum Member Posted 2010-03-07 18:57:51
Especially with a LOT OF MONEY at hand, this is Thailand after all, you can BUY a brother, sister and their mother to sleep with if you have a little cash, and more can get them to all sleep with you together for a night. This story is about 6,000 weapons that have allegedly been stolen ..and the first thought that comes to your mind is a brother, sister and mother sleeping together with you? Your thoughts are more worrying than the missing 6,000 weapons. 
#65
RegularReader
Senior Member Posted 2010-03-07 18:59:02
This sounds like a ruse to enable to invoke the internal security act and keep the Red Shirts out of central Bangkok. The easy steps have been taken: banning E-tans from the streets, announcing that any vehicle used as a barracade will be destroyed. Now they have an excuse to search vehicles and individuals and generally harrass participants. The ruling elite are shit scared and its showing! 6,000 weapons just Walking out of a base in Pattalung close to the Southern insurgency problem. yeah right! What if it's true ? What if is one of the "rebel" elements in the military who are accused of being "trouble makers" ? Why is it just the "ruling elite" who should have brown underpants ? What about the poor Thai citizens who could be wearing more than red "dye" after next weekend's "love in" ? What credibility would the government have left if they were found to have fabricated such a story? Why can't it be true, eh ??? Edited by RegularReader, 2010-03-07 18:59:54. #66
Garry9999
Bored member Posted 2010-03-07 18:59:04 Quote Mr. Panitan said the investigation was focusing on the possibility the theft was “an inside job” and that since the loss, security at other army weapons warehouses, especially in Bangkok, has been tightened No shit Sherlock. #67
tonywebster
Senior Member Posted 2010-03-07 19:00:43
In other threads I have already said the bombings at the banks, the bomb at the university and the bomb found at the supreme court are the work of people other than the reds, this latest propaganda is just another in a long list of stitch ups, yet people on this forum still argue against this. maybe they can explain just how 6000 guns go walkies from an army barracks, in fact it is easier to explain how they have not gone walkies at all and probably never existed.
#68
rainman
Platinum Member Posted 2010-03-07 19:01:02
What credibility would the government have left if they were found to have fabricated such a story? Simple math tells me that zero credibility, minus anything, is still zero credibility. So they would still have the same credibility left. Nothing to loose! #69
elcent
Platinum Member Posted 2010-03-07 19:01:18
I'll add my two cents. In most militaries around the world, including Thailand one would find that arsenals and unit-level armories alike are guarded with not only human guards and intensive physical security systems, but access to them requires layered access measures and penetrating a minimum of triple-lock security. The arms facility itself is locked with more than one ultra high-security lock and the individual weapon racks are also similarly locked. The keys to these facilities are also very carefully secured and controlled. One poster questioned what an engineer unit was doing housing such items. It is engineer units that customarily use military explosives & demolitions in the accomplishment of their unit missions and they indeed maintain stocks for these purposes. More to the point though...nobody simply strolls into an arms room or arms depot, and walks away casually, or surrepticiously with 6,000 weapons and explosives. Any insurgent-led attempt to do so would be the cause of a major incident that could not be brushed under the rug..nor would it be. This reeks painfully of an inside job. Identifying those persons in the chain of command who are responsible for the security of these missing arms should be a simple matter; they in turn should be publicly named and charges brought against them for high treason to the state. Placed under intensive interrogation the truth would be bound to emerge. This would include unit-level armorers, supply personel and unit commanders all the way up to and including the seniormost general officer placed in a direct leadership role. Something also tells me that all this will never occur. It is a very sad day for the Royal Thai Army. Especially with a LOT OF MONEY at hand, this is Thailand after all, you can BUY a brother, sister and their mother to sleep with if you have a little cash, and more can get them to all sleep with you together for a night. If a few guys on roof tops start picking off either Red Shirts or Army Conscripts, and there is a grouping of Monks and women in between the two groups... well this makes for BAD television. Thaksin DESPERATELY needs this kind of over the top video to rehabilitate himself to the world... at least in his mindset. Mr Illuminati will sure enlighten us. NOT #70
Credo
Super Member Posted 2010-03-07 19:01:32
Seh Daeng is the obvious choice, but I doubt it was him. They've been watching him carefully for quite a while. I don't think he could pull this off.
Without a doubt it would have been someone of very high rank. #71
animatic
Observant member Posted 2010-03-07 19:01:56
Especially with a LOT OF MONEY at hand, this is Thailand after all, you can BUY a brother, sister and their mother to sleep with if you have a little cash, and more can get them to all sleep with you together for a night. This story is about 6,000 weapons that have allegedly been stolen ..and the first thought that comes to your mind is a brother, sister and mother sleeping together with you? Your thoughts are more worrying than the missing 6,000 weapons. my first thought was: "Morality can be purchased cheaply here!", and that doesn't stop when a military uniform is purchased. I just stated a glaring type of example. Shock value, because at the current juncture THIS theft is as shocking. Bringing them in from Cambo would be the obvious choice, and so it's being watched, from the south is not so obvious. There is someone just mentioned hanging out under-observed but sought after, for several days in Hatyai which is next to Patalung. Training people was the reason given... nice little training exercise if this was it. Coincidence? Edited by animatic, 2010-03-07 19:11:31. #72
haudegen
Newbie Posted 2010-03-07 19:02:22
This is pretty serious. Both if Red T-shirts or Muslim insurgents. 6000 assault rifles!!!! large amount of explosives!!!! Weapons deposit without serious guards? Incompetent and inept people. There is nothing serious about it. Every Government makes Grounds for future happenings and this is a part of this. No one can steal weapons in such huge quantities. Its all about making an stage for up-comming DRAMA. that hits the point... #73
RegularReader
Senior Member Posted 2010-03-07 19:04:23
In other threads I have already said the bombings at the banks, the bomb at the university and the bomb found at the supreme court are the work of people other than the reds, this latest propaganda is just another in a long list of stitch ups, yet people on this forum still argue against this. maybe they can explain just how 6000 guns go walkies from an army barracks, in fact it is easier to explain how they have not gone walkies at all and probably never existed. Very knowledgable comments. It's good to have a poster like you Tony with "inside knowledge". Jusy one thing - where is your evidence to back up such "enlightening" statements ? #74
Hawk
Senior Member Posted 2010-03-07 19:05:19
The facts seem to be that there were never 6,000 guns in the first place. Look closely at the army camp in Pattalung it likes like a dump, certainly not a place where lots of weapons and explosives are stored.
Its all a little game dreamed up by the government to frighten people. The Thais will probably believe the story but when westerners start believing then there's no hope. #75
landofthefree
Senior Member Posted 2010-03-07 19:05:42
http://findarticles....1/ai_113764876/ 300 weapons stolen from an army weapons depot Narathiwat in February 2004, so perhaps it's a seasonal thing. 6,000 weapons, as someone said earlier, would take quite a bit of organization. Why do we need Thai Soap dramas on TV? The events that really happen here are far more unbelievable than any writer could ever dream up there is the story of the Amrmy's giant balloon and the fact it doesnt work the army 'loosing' 600 guns you just couldnt invent this stuff. You have to admit there is never a dull moment here!
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