402 replies to this topic
Posted 2010-03-08 15:54:11
 jesimps, on 2010-03-08 15:49:26, said:
Jingthing, on 2010-03-08 16:17:08, said: Trebelone, on 2010-03-08 15:14:07, said: Jingthing, on 2010-03-08 14:42:07, said:
Stop talking rubbish, this is thailand and the thai,s have a right to demonstrate how they chose fit,this is one sure way of over reaction, when will us farang just keep our mouths shut and mind our own business,
No reasonable government in the world would sit back and allow free rein to a violent terrorist movement massing in their capital. If you actually believe the red shirts are a peaceful movement, I would agree with you. However, I think the proof is overwhelming that they are a violent movement willing to do anything to achieve their goals. That is simply not acceptable.
Unlike the peaceful yellow shirts who only forcefully blockade an international airport causing untold misery to tens of thousands. What happened to the reasonable government who sat back and allowed free rein to that violent terrorist movement massing in their capital?
Put your fingers in your ears and hum really loudly. I don't know who is right and who is wrong, but there is a huge double standard here that is completely insane.
Posted 2010-03-08 15:54:30
Jingthing, on 2010-03-08 15:17:08, said: Trebelone, on 2010-03-08 15:14:07, said: Jingthing, on 2010-03-08 14:42:07, said:
Stop talking rubbish, this is thailand and the thai,s have a right to demonstrate how they chose fit,this is one sure way of over reaction, when will us farang just keep our mouths shut and mind our own business,
No reasonable government in the world would sit back and allow free rein to a violent terrorist movement massing in their capital. If you actually believe the red shirts are a peaceful movement, I would agree with you. However, I think the proof is overwhelming that they are a violent movement willing to do anything to achieve their goals. That is simply not acceptable.
That is not acceptable is your comment. You have no evidence to speak about terrorist movement and I fully agree with the previous comment saying as Farang keep your mouth shut. It's right to the Thai people to demonstrate what they want, could be yellow or red; it's their country and their business not ours and even we have opinions, keep it for us. I would never accept in my country foreigners speaking about what is OK and what is wrong, that's all. 
Posted 2010-03-08 15:54:49
Red or yellow. To me both sides are idiots, either having to much time or money to spend.
I think the time will come when the normal Thai should stand up and set an end to the erosion of the country.
Posted 2010-03-08 15:54:50
In practical terms, there's not much difference between the powers bestowed by the ISA and how law enforcement is routinely carried out in Thailand: search without warrant, unlawful detention, restricting movement. What is different is that the army, rather than the police, calls the shots.
Posted 2010-03-08 15:55:29
Changian, on 2010-03-08 15:20:11, said: So, as the Commander of ISOC is the Army C-in-C and can pretty much do what he wants under the erms of the ISA.
Would it technically be a coup if the army decided they liked these powers that were voluntarily handed to them by the government and for the sake of the country decided to prolong their stay in charge, thus postponing any elections due in the next year or so?
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really?
yellow shirts, in case you have forgotten it was them that did all the damage last time not the red shirts.
sorry seems this became attached to the wrong post as a reply, hope the point is not lost
Edited by alant, 2010-03-08 15:57:35.
Posted 2010-03-08 15:56:44
hjvdhoef, on 2010-03-08 15:52:34, said: If you actually believe the red shirts are a peaceful movement, I would agree with you. However, I think the proof is overwhelming that they are a violent movement willing to do anything to achieve their goals. That is simply not acceptable.
No,but they have the majority in the 2 last elections. 
Very wrong you are. The Taksin's party did NOT have the majority. It only became the majority by coalition with some small parties. Once these small parties defected and moved to work with the democrats, the democrats became the majority. That is exactly the point the reds rigorously overlook. Their beloved Taksin and his party NEVER had the necessary majority.
Posted 2010-03-08 15:57:18
Sometimes airports remain closed due to heavy storms and snow. Do you consider snow to be a terrorist now? Suggest you check the meaning of the words you use. By the way closing down the airport was the airport authorities decision, not the yellow's request. And the government that didn't act, is the one the reds want back.
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I can't even believe I'm reading this. So by your logic, is it okay for the red shirts to march on the airport? After all, it was okay for the yellows. And if the airport is closed, that's not the fault of the protesters, that's the fault of the people who work at the airport. Sorry, but are you Thai? This is the kind of logic that I experience almost daily here, that makes me wonder if I am still sane.
Posted 2010-03-08 15:57:23
I wonder how Bnagkok residents are going to react to this demo. It is the first big one since Songkhran last year.
Posted 2010-03-08 15:58:31
wade72, on 2010-03-08 15:20:56, said: Trebelone, on 2010-03-08 15:14:07, said: Jingthing, on 2010-03-08 14:42:07, said:
Stop talking rubbish, this is thailand and the thai,s have a right to demonstrate how they chose fit,this is one sure way of over reaction, when will us farang just keep our mouths shut and mind our own business,
For many of us it is our business, farang or not, as it affects our business.
Of course it affects our business and I am very concerned about that but anyway, it's not our country and if we can not accept the Thai people they do what they want (any color they are), we have to do our business in another place. 
Posted 2010-03-08 15:58:50
rainman, on 2010-03-08 15:45:21, said: mitrapaap, on 2010-03-08 15:43:43, said: Trebelone, on 2010-03-08 15:14:07, said: Jingthing, on 2010-03-08 14:42:07, said:
Stop talking rubbish, this is thailand and the thai,s have a right to demonstrate how they chose fit,this is one sure way of over reaction, when will us farang just keep our mouths shut and mind our own business,
Yes, they have the right to demonstrate. Nobody tries to stop them.
Oh really? What is the security act for then?
To allow the government to take sufficient measures quickly and efficiently to deal with violence if it does occur.
Posted 2010-03-08 15:59:22
Jingthing, on 2010-03-08 15:17:08, said: Trebelone, on 2010-03-08 15:14:07, said: Jingthing, on 2010-03-08 14:42:07, said:
Stop talking rubbish, this is thailand and the thai,s have a right to demonstrate how they chose fit,this is one sure way of over reaction, when will us farang just keep our mouths shut and mind our own business,
No reasonable government in the world would sit back and allow free rein to a violent terrorist movement massing in their capital. If you actually believe the red shirts are a peaceful movement, I would agree with you. However, I think the proof is overwhelming that they are a violent movement willing to do anything to achieve their goals. That is simply not acceptable.
as before, yellowshirts?
Posted 2010-03-08 16:00:12
Jingthing, on 2010-03-08 15:17:08, said: Trebelone, on 2010-03-08 15:14:07, said: Jingthing, on 2010-03-08 14:42:07, said:
Stop talking rubbish, this is thailand and the thai,s have a right to demonstrate how they chose fit,this is one sure way of over reaction, when will us farang just keep our mouths shut and mind our own business,
No reasonable government in the world would sit back and allow free rein to a violent terrorist movement massing in their capital. If you actually believe the red shirts are a peaceful movement, I would agree with you. However, I think the proof is overwhelming that they are a violent movement willing to do anything to achieve their goals. That is simply not acceptable.
keeping calling them terrorists does not make them terrorists.
Posted 2010-03-08 16:00:18
I find it amazing that so many people believe the yellow shirts blocking the international airport is 'acceptable'. If it is okay to do, why did Abhisit tell the red shirts not to block the airport or they would be removed by force? While at the same time, the trial against the yellow shirts is barely moving forward. DOUBLE STANDARDS.
Posted 2010-03-08 16:00:22
One good coup deserves another...
Posted 2010-03-08 16:02:20
joslan, on 2010-03-08 15:54:30, said: It's right to the Thai people to demonstrate what they want, could be yellow or red; it's their country and their business not ours and even we have opinions, keep it for us. I would never accept in my country foreigners speaking about what is OK and what is wrong, that's all.
Open your eyes, please. This is an EXPAT forum where foreigners express opinions and share information. You don't like what I said, but you are being disingenuous by saying foreigners shouldn't express their opinions. BTW, I never minded when foreigners discussed US politics with me when I was in the US. I would even try to change their opinion if I could. Most horrifying was talking to foreigners who admired George W. Bush, but I wouldn't think they were doing anything wrong by having an opinion.
Posted 2010-03-08 16:03:07
beware
action-reaction
the governement is champion
Posted 2010-03-08 16:04:36
ISA
Govt to consider invoking security laws during mass rally
By The Nation
BANGKOK: -- The government is considering whether to invoke the Internal Security Act to maintain law and order during the mass rally of Thaksin supporters this Sunday.
Deputy Suthep Thaugsuban said Monday said the government consider vital information including the anti-government Red movement which would mobilise its supporters from provinces nationwide this Friday.
The demonstrators are expected to arrive in the capital on Friday.
Speaking after chairing a government-appointed security monitoring committee, Suthep said that if the intelligence information showed that the situation is likely to escalate and go out of control, the government will invoke the security laws.
The red shirts claimed that it is mobilising at least a million supporters nationwide to join the mass rally March 14 aiming at bringing down the Abhisit Vejjajiva government.
Abhisit, scheduled to visit Australia during the red shirt protest, said on Monday that he cancelled his visit schedule after reviewing the committee's resolution.
Abhisit's planned visit to Australia March 13-17 is at an invitation by Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.
The PM earlier said the security-monitoring committee had received an information indicating that possible acts of subotage aimed at creating chaos in the country are looming.
The prime minister said security personnel at all checkpoints have been ordered to inspect vehicles for any weapons being taken to the rally site to prevent acts of violence.
-- The Nation 2010-03-08
Posted 2010-03-08 16:07:04
rainman, on 2010-03-08 16:00:18, said: I find it amazing that so many people believe the yellow shirts blocking the international airport is 'acceptable'. If it is okay to do, why did Abhisit tell the red shirts not to block the airport or they would be removed by force? While at the same time, the trial against the yellow shirts is barely moving forward. DOUBLE STANDARDS.
the one that gets me is everytime I turn on TV Abhisit is proclaiming that no one is above rule of law (this is when he is asked anything about trying to reconcile with Thaksin) and the law cannot be modified and must be upheld, and there can never be any amnesty about a past crime and (well you know what he is like).
But whenever anyone asks him about doing something about the generals who carried out the coup or why their amnesty is written into the 2006 constitution, he changes the subject .
Posted 2010-03-08 16:08:23
joslan, on 2010-03-08 15:58:31, said: Of course it affects our business and I am very concerned about that but anyway, it's not our country and if we can not accept the Thai people they do what they want (any color they are), we have to do our business in another place.
Conversely we have to accept the right of the Thai government to take appropriate measures to deal with potential violence and other acts detrimental to the country. I don't do business here, I don't work her, I just live here, so it may have minimum impact on me personally. But I remember how it impacted Thai friends last year. Why do you think that residents of neighborhoods started fighting back against the demonstrators last April? Because they were disrupting the lives of those living here, physically assaulting people, attacking mosques,.... on and on... that is why I think this is a good step for the government. They are not telling people not to demonstrate, but letting them know that they are preparing to do what is necessary to maintain order. Just like any other country. In the U.S. Seh Daeng and his cohorts would have been arrested long before this, their political movement labeled terrorist, and any material support for it a criminal act. I think that it is wise to implement the ISA, and the the Thai government has that right.
Posted 2010-03-08 16:10:30
[quote name='ChiangMaiThai' date='2010-03-08 15:57:18' post='3396559']
Sometimes airports remain closed due to heavy storms and snow. Do you consider snow to be a terrorist now? Suggest you check the meaning of the words you use. By the way closing down the airport was the airport authorities decision, not the yellow's request. And the government that didn't act, is the one the reds want back.
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I can't even believe I'm reading this. So by your logic, is it okay for the red shirts to march on the airport? After all, it was okay for the yellows. And if the airport is closed, that's not the fault of the protesters, that's the fault of the people who work at the airport. Sorry, but are you Thai? This is the kind of logic that I experience almost daily here, that makes me wonder if I am still sane.
When you quote a quote you shouldn't cut off the quote it referred to. The quote I referred to was sying the the yellows were terrosists because they got the airport to shut down. What I was questioning was wether the word terrorist was appropriate to describe the yellows just because the airport got closed down. Got it? The reds will most likely shut down entire parts of the city in their million rally. Can I call them terrorists now? Get it? (you are lucky I'm not Thai - I would get you banned from this forum if I was).
Posted 2010-03-08 16:12:21
londonthai, on 2010-03-08 16:07:28, said: "10. Order the "training at a special location" of suspects, in lieu of pressing charges against them, for up to six months (Article 31) – such training apparently requires the "consent" of the suspect, but with the threat of criminal procedures as alternative, the voluntariness of consent to such "training" is doubtful. In the absence of freely given consent, such training is therefore likely to amount to arbitrary detention.
Unless otherwise stated, none of the above provisions requires court authorisation for the powers to be exercised."
this is an imprisonment without a charge and without the court - just an administrative decision. No much less than "prisoner of war"
Both the red shirts and yellow shirts have set up international media and fund raising organizations. If any person from whicherver side is subjected to this "order", it will be claimed that they are a prisoner of war - and the World (with the exception of China) will hear and will take notice with negative consequences for Thailand.
Posted 2010-03-08 16:13:13
rainman, on 2010-03-08 16:00:18, said: I find it amazing that so many people believe the yellow shirts blocking the international airport is 'acceptable'. If it is okay to do, why did Abhisit tell the red shirts not to block the airport or they would be removed by force? While at the same time, the trial against the yellow shirts is barely moving forward. DOUBLE STANDARDS.
The yellow shirts did not attack people, did not ride by on motorcycles shooting dead residents opposing them, did not sewt up gasoline trucks in front of low-income housing and threaten to explode it, did minimal damage to the airports themselves (my flight out was in fact on time just a few days after it ended). Whether it was right or wrong is not for me to judge but there was a world of difference between what the yellow shirts did and what the red shirts did a few months later. A world of difference.
Posted 2010-03-08 16:16:51
Jingthing, on 2010-03-08 16:02:20, said: joslan, on 2010-03-08 15:54:30, said: It's right to the Thai people to demonstrate what they want, could be yellow or red; it's their country and their business not ours and even we have opinions, keep it for us. I would never accept in my country foreigners speaking about what is OK and what is wrong, that's all.
Open your eyes, please. This is an EXPAT forum where foreigners express opinions and share information. You don't like what I said, but you are being disingenuous by saying foreigners shouldn't express their opinions. BTW, I never minded when foreigners discussed US politics with me when I was in the US. I would even try to change their opinion if I could. Most horrifying was talking to foreigners who admired George W. Bush, but I wouldn't think they were doing anything wrong by having an opinion.
Thank you someone who states the bleedin obvious. This is an expat forum. I personally get sick and tired of people who tell me what i can and can't do and then continue to state how much they value democracy. Or perhaps expats are not worthy of the democacy both the reds and yellows claim to fight to protect.
BTW - Wonder how many expats would switch sides, if they were 'offered' something by the reds (in return for the support of the large expat community) - such as land ownership. Interesting to see if the vociferious pro yellow supporters would continue to be so and if they would be so damming of the poor who take part in the ralllies for allegedly accepting money in return for their support.
Posted 2010-03-08 16:17:03
Trebelone, on 2010-03-08 15:14:07, said: Jingthing, on 2010-03-08 14:42:07, said:
Stop talking rubbish, this is thailand and the thai,s have a right to demonstrate how they chose fit,this is one sure way of over reaction, when will us farang just keep our mouths shut and mind our own business,
I think it is something that had to be done. Especailly given the amount of weapons that went "missing" last week in the south.
I pray nothing happnes but at least the goverment will be rready this time if it does.
Posted 2010-03-08 16:17:51
My Abhsit is scared of getting killed by a mob acting the orders of somebody who is genuinely afraid of returning to Thailand? I do recall Abhsit being in a similar situation before, less than a year ago.
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