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Posted 2010-03-18 09:56:40
 webfact, on 2010-03-18 09:00:43, said:
Montenegro Welcomes Thaksin; To Offer Citizenship
Montenegro has announced that it welcomes Thaksin Shinawatra and is ready to offer the former Thai prime minsiter citizenship.
Thaksin earlier revealed that he is now in Montenegro, but will be returning to Dubai soon in the next few days.
-- Tan Network 2010-03-18
Tongue in Cheek;
The Government of Montenegro has offered Mr T-Rex to rename the Country from Montenegro(Black Mountain in Latin parlay) ,into Monte Rosso,= Red Mountain
Posted 2010-03-18 10:34:43
Hi,
I am from Montenegro and searching Google for Sinavatra I found this forum  .
Two things confuse me.
First,It is obvious that he has people behind him,he won every elections fair and square.
I mean,you overthrown him by coup d'etat,than his allies won elections organized by military junta,you then overthrow his allies and installed government that has less than 35% of support and you are talking about democracy?!I dont understand why dont your goverment organize elections and win if they have people support.If not-they shoud not be goverment,dont you agree?
Secondly,you are calling him criminal based on conviction that has clear political background and issue warrant for his arrest that is not recognized by Interpol 
Sorry,but strange things are going on.
p.s. my country surely didnt give him citizenship entirely on its on.We certainly didnt do this without asking USA and EU,because although we are not formally members of NATO and EU we follow their policies thoroughly.With our passport he do not need visa to enter EU countries,so it would be interesting to see what would happen if he tries to do that 
Also,our law does not permit dual-citizenship except in special cases when national interests are at stake.
Edited by Montenegrin, 2010-03-18 10:36:32.
Posted 2010-03-18 10:46:44
Montenegrin, on 2010-03-18 10:34:43, said: Hi,
I am from Montenegro and searching Google for Sinavatra I found this forum .
Two things confuse me.
First,It is obvious that he has people behind him,he won every elections fair and square.
I mean,you overthrown him by coup d'etat,than his allies won elections organized by military junta,you then overthrow his allies and installed government that has less than 35% of support and you are talking about democracy?!I dont understand why dont your goverment organize elections and win if they have people support.If not-they shoud not be goverment,dont you agree?
Secondly,you are calling him criminal based on conviction that has clear political background and issue warrant for his arrest that is not recognized by Interpol
Sorry,but strange things are going on.
p.s. my country surely didnt give him citizenship entirely on its on.We certainly didnt do this without asking USA and EU,because although we are not formally members of NATO and EU we follow their policies thoroughly.With our passport he do not need visa to enter EU countries,so it would be interesting to see what would happen if he tries to do that
Also,our law does not permit dual-citizenship except in special cases when national interests are at stake.
Hmmm a new member ... claiming to be from Montenegro ... spouting the Red line .... and missing every relevant fact?
Welcome back!
Posted 2010-03-18 10:48:19
Montenegrin, on 2010-03-18 10:34:43, said: Hi,
I am from Montenegro and searching Google for Sinavatra I found this forum .
Two things confuse me.
First,It is obvious that he has people behind him,he won every elections fair and square.
I mean,you overthrown him by coup d'etat,than his allies won elections organized by military junta,you then overthrow his allies and installed government that has less than 35% of support and you are talking about democracy?!I dont understand why dont your goverment organize elections and win if they have people support.If not-they shoud not be goverment, dont you agree?
Secondly,you are calling him criminal based on conviction that has clear political background and issue warrant for his arrest that is not recognized by Interpol
Sorry,but strange things are going on.
p.s. my country surely didnt give him citizenship entirely on its on.We certainly didnt do this without asking USA and EU,because although we are not formally members of NATO and EU we follow their policies thoroughly.With our passport he do not need visa to enter EU countries,so it would be interesting to see what would happen if he tries to do that
Also,our law does not permit dual-citizenship except in special cases when national interests are at stake.
Well we all can see his Public Relations efforts have been translated into Montenegrin.
Right as if it was read from a Thaksin PR handout.
Doesn't make it the truth though.
The man is still a convicted criminal caught with his hands deeply into the public till.
Believe what you like, but don't imagine this post changes many minds,
because you SAY you are from Montenegro, and this is suddenly enlightening.
Posted 2010-03-18 10:48:39
junglist, on 2010-03-18 07:12:47, said: rainman, on 2010-03-17 23:10:38, said:
He is looking older, I guess its all starting to catch up with him. Payback is a B@tch!!!
And now for something more interesting, who is the girl on his arm in pic 3
Posted 2010-03-18 11:00:50
Well I am not claiming to be from Montenegro-I AM FROM MONTENEGRO-northern part of it to be precise.If there is any of you who speaks Montenegrin(Crnogorski),Serbian(Srpski),Bosnian(Bosanski) ili Croatian(Hrvatski) I will be glad to prove my words.It is basicly all the same language.
Hills behind Shinavatra on that picture are called Orjen and Rumija,btw.
I dont know,it seems to me that Sinavtras arguments are not that bad and no it is not translated to Montenegrin-I read it on internet(BBC profile of Sinavatra among others).
Posted 2010-03-18 11:01:21
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And now for something more interesting, who is the girl on his arm in pic 3
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His daughter.
Posted 2010-03-18 11:19:31
Montenegrin, on 2010-03-18 10:34:43, said: Hi,
I am from Montenegro and searching Google for Sinavatra I found this forum .
Two things confuse me.
First,It is obvious that he has people behind him,he won every elections fair and square.
I mean,you overthrown him by coup d'etat,than his allies won elections organized by military junta,you then overthrow his allies and installed government that has less than 35% of support and you are talking about democracy?!I dont understand why dont your goverment organize elections and win if they have people support.If not-they shoud not be goverment,dont you agree?
Secondly,you are calling him criminal based on conviction that has clear political background and issue warrant for his arrest that is not recognized by Interpol
Sorry,but strange things are going on.
p.s. my country surely didnt give him citizenship entirely on its on.We certainly didnt do this without asking USA and EU,because although we are not formally members of NATO and EU we follow their policies thoroughly.With our passport he do not need visa to enter EU countries,so it would be interesting to see what would happen if he tries to do that
Also,our law does not permit dual-citizenship except in special cases when national interests are at stake.
Surely a serb can understand that one can be democratically elected and still be a madman who abuses power and commits crimes against humanity. Forgotten Milosevic and Karadzic already?
Posted 2010-03-18 11:43:45
Why doesn't he do the Oozlum bird trick?
He always looks like a squashed tomato to me.
Posted 2010-03-18 11:44:46
I am not Serb,I am Montenegrin.I didnt forget Slobo and Karadzic,but they were not democraticly elected.Milosevic banned media that wrote against him,violently suppressed any kind of opposition,even killing some of his rivals.But it is not the point,Serbia under Milosevic was not democracy and it was bombed by NATO at the end.On the other hand Thailand claims to be democracy or not?
If I am not wrong democracy=demos(people)+cratein(to rule)-rule of the people.If more than 60% of voters supported Taksin in elections,than he should be prime minister.Am I right or wrong?
And I forgot-you can not seriously compare Taksin and his crimes with Milosevic and especially Karadzic?
Posted 2010-03-18 11:55:37
Montenegrin, on 2010-03-18 11:44:46, said: I am not Serb,I am Montenegrin.I didnt forget Slobo and Karadzic,but they were not democraticly elected.Milosevic banned media that wrote against him,violently suppressed any kind of opposition,even killing some of his rivals.But it is not the point,Serbia under Milosevic was not democracy and it was bombed by NATO at the end.On the other hand Thailand claims to be democracy or not?
If I am not wrong democracy=demos(people)+cratein(to rule)-rule of the people.If more than 60% of voters supported Taksin in elections,than he should be prime minister.Am I right or wrong?
And I forgot-you can not seriously compare Taksin and his crimes with Milosevic and especially Karadzic?
I absolutely would not compare the scale of Thaksin's crimes to Milosevic or Karadzic. I would point out that he abused his power in similar ways however. Thailand is a fledgling democracy. It probably has never held a truly democratic election that was not corrupted by vote buying. The abuses you claim Milosevic practised are not at all unfamiliar to those of us who watched Thaksin govern.
Edited by lannarebirth, 2010-03-18 12:04:19.
Posted 2010-03-18 12:02:16
Montenegrin, on 2010-03-18 11:44:46, said: I am not Serb,I am Montenegrin.I didnt forget Slobo and Karadzic,but they were not democraticly elected.Milosevic banned media that wrote against him,violently suppressed any kind of opposition,even killing some of his rivals.But it is not the point,Serbia under Milosevic was not democracy and it was bombed by NATO at the end.On the other hand Thailand claims to be democracy or not?
If I am not wrong democracy=demos(people)+cratein(to rule)-rule of the people.If more than 60% of voters supported Taksin in elections,than he should be prime minister.Am I right or wrong?
And I forgot-you can not seriously compare Taksin and his crimes with Milosevic and especially Karadzic?
Perhaps you should actually read up on Thailand, maybe visit here. Then explain how your facts match reality. Since they don't and you are obviously spouting a preset idea you had before your first post despite claiming to have just googled this board ...... well ...... again ... Welcome Back.
Posted 2010-03-18 12:06:00
But,isnt it the fact that he did some good things for poorest?You will agree that it is not coincidence that he won so many votes.You simply cannot buy that many votes.I see that Taksin had 374 out of 500 seats in Parliament.It is huge result.
Posted 2010-03-18 12:22:52
Montenegrin, on 2010-03-18 12:06:00, said: But,isnt it the fact that he did some good things for poorest?You will agree that it is not coincidence that he won so many votes.You simply cannot buy that many votes.I see that Taksin had 374 out of 500 seats in Parliament.It is huge result.
Again --- perhaps you should do some of the basic research required and learn about things here and the history here. Particularly Thaksin's history here. Visiting might be a good start.
Posted 2010-03-18 12:35:41
jdinasia, on 2010-03-18 13:02:16, said: Montenegrin, on 2010-03-18 11:44:46, said: I am not Serb,I am Montenegrin.I didnt forget Slobo and Karadzic,but they were not democraticly elected.Milosevic banned media that wrote against him,violently suppressed any kind of opposition,even killing some of his rivals.But it is not the point,Serbia under Milosevic was not democracy and it was bombed by NATO at the end.On the other hand Thailand claims to be democracy or not?
If I am not wrong democracy=demos(people)+cratein(to rule)-rule of the people.If more than 60% of voters supported Taksin in elections,than he should be prime minister.Am I right or wrong?
And I forgot-you can not seriously compare Taksin and his crimes with Milosevic and especially Karadzic?
Perhaps you should actually read up on Thailand, maybe visit here. Then explain how your facts match reality. Since they don't and you are obviously spouting a preset idea you had before your first post despite claiming to have just googled this board ...... well ...... again ... Welcome Back.
I read this,before I found this forum:
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1108114.stm
cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/02/25/thailand.thaksin.shinawatra.explainer/index.html
Shinawatra on wikipedia
then i read a whole lot of links that appeared in previous text,for example:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaksinomics
Then about 1997. constitution,elections of 2001.,2005.,2006.,2007. and found some laughable explanations that court gave for its decisions-for example dismissing new prime minister because of TV cooking show,than "The elections were finally declared invalid by Thailand's Constitutional Court which found that the positioning of the voting booths violated voter privacy"...very strange decisions to be honest.And even then,why not organize new election instead of just giving power to someone who won less than 30% of votes?Unexplainable,if you ask me.
p.s. forum doesnt allow me to post direct links for some reasson
Edited by Montenegrin, 2010-03-18 12:36:53.
Posted 2010-03-18 12:37:31
I'll bet I know more about the Balkan states, their history, poitics, leadership, etc than 95% of it's non-inhabitants. Still, I wouldn't claim to know even 1% of what has gone on there compared to the people who actually have inhabited it over time. I'll bet to fully understand it would require an incredible amount of study and knowledge and living. That said, I've never seen anywhere where the machinations of government, society, business, aristocracy, etc is more convoluted than here in Thailand. What most people know, or think they know appears almost surreal. What is true, almost no one knows.
Edited by lannarebirth, 2010-03-18 12:39:59.
Posted 2010-03-18 12:47:01
Montenegrin, on 2010-03-18 11:34:43, said: Hi,
I am from Montenegro and searching Google for Sinavatra I found this forum .
Two things confuse me.
First,It is obvious that he has people behind him,he won every elections fair and square.
I mean,you overthrown him by coup d'etat,than his allies won elections organized by military junta,you then overthrow his allies and installed government that has less than 35% of support and you are talking about democracy?!I dont understand why dont your goverment organize elections and win if they have people support.If not-they shoud not be goverment,dont you agree?
Secondly,you are calling him criminal based on conviction that has clear political background and issue warrant for his arrest that is not recognized by Interpol
Sorry,but strange things are going on.
p.s. my country surely didnt give him citizenship entirely on its on.We certainly didnt do this without asking USA and EU,because although we are not formally members of NATO and EU we follow their policies thoroughly.With our passport he do not need visa to enter EU countries,so it would be interesting to see what would happen if he tries to do that
Also,our law does not permit dual-citizenship except in special cases when national interests are at stake.
Look at what the cat dragged in .
Very strange things going on indeed.
The US Government and the EU approved Thaksin's entry to Montenegro and his citizenship there? Really?!? Tell us more  .
With a Montenegrian passport Thaksin wouldn't need a visa to enter EU countries.....that indeed would be interesting to see especially in respect to Germany and the UK. Yeah, let's watch whether Thaksin tests all of that.
You suddenly know so much about Thaksin and Thailand, tell us what Montenegrian "national interests" factor into allowing Thaksin an exception of the dual citizenship law of the country. Or will your boss clear the board to become a Montenegrian citizen only?
As an aside and to save me looking it up, what's the annual snowfall and average temperature there? Tell us also how you learned your English. Inquring minds want to know .
Posted 2010-03-18 12:47:11
Montenegrin, on 2010-03-18 12:06:00, said: But,isnt it the fact that he did some good things for poorest?You will agree that it is not coincidence that he won so many votes.You simply cannot buy that many votes.I see that Taksin had 374 out of 500 seats in Parliament.It is huge result.
The argument fails considering the even bigger then huge, "war chest" well filled, with
the "peoples money" and the ability to refill it at will, manipulating a few laws with a signature
and the power those people gave him unknowingly whilst selling their vote for barely 20 Euro's or even only
promises!
Posted 2010-03-18 12:53:34
lannarebirth, on 2010-03-18 13:37:31, said: I'll bet I know more about the Balkan states, their history, poitics, leadership, etc than 95% of it's non-inhabitants. Still, I wouldn't claim to know even 1% of what has gone on there compared to the people who actually have inhabited it over time. I'll bet to fully understand it would require an incredible amount of study and knowledge and living. That said, I've never seen anywhere where the machinations of government, society, business, aristocracy, etc is more convoluted than here in Thailand. What most people know, or think they know appears almost surreal. What is true, almost no one knows.
I agree and I confess that I know very little about Thailand.
But whole point I am trying to make is that if someone win elections he should form a goverment.Simple as that.Imagine what would happen in USA if McCane performed coup d'etat with help of army and deposed Obama.Got my point?
I know that you will say that criminals should be deposed no matter what support they have.OK-lets say that Taksin is criminal-you deposed him,no problem.But why did you deposed his succesor?Is he criminal to?Sorry,but hard to believe.Not to mention that two parties that won elections were banned.Democracy at its best.
Edited by Montenegrin, 2010-03-18 12:54:23.
Posted 2010-03-18 12:54:46
Montenegrin, on 2010-03-18 12:35:41, said: jdinasia, on 2010-03-18 13:02:16, said: Montenegrin, on 2010-03-18 11:44:46, said: I am not Serb,I am Montenegrin.I didnt forget Slobo and Karadzic,but they were not democraticly elected.Milosevic banned media that wrote against him,violently suppressed any kind of opposition,even killing some of his rivals.But it is not the point,Serbia under Milosevic was not democracy and it was bombed by NATO at the end.On the other hand Thailand claims to be democracy or not?
If I am not wrong democracy=demos(people)+cratein(to rule)-rule of the people.If more than 60% of voters supported Taksin in elections,than he should be prime minister.Am I right or wrong?
And I forgot-you can not seriously compare Taksin and his crimes with Milosevic and especially Karadzic?
Perhaps you should actually read up on Thailand, maybe visit here. Then explain how your facts match reality. Since they don't and you are obviously spouting a preset idea you had before your first post despite claiming to have just googled this board ...... well ...... again ... Welcome Back.
I read this,before I found this forum:
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1108114.stm
cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/02/25/thailand.thaksin.shinawatra.explainer/index.html
Shinawatra on wikipedia
then i read a whole lot of links that appeared in previous text,for example:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaksinomics
Then about 1997. constitution,elections of 2001.,2005.,2006.,2007. and found some laughable explanations that court gave for its decisions-for example dismissing new prime minister because of TV cooking show,than "The elections were finally declared invalid by Thailand's Constitutional Court which found that the positioning of the voting booths violated voter privacy"...very strange decisions to be honest.And even then,why not organize new election instead of just giving power to someone who won less than 30% of votes?Unexplainable,if you ask me.
p.s. forum doesnt allow me to post direct links for some reasson
really what a small world im from montenegro as well  there are at least 30 or 40 other guys here as well
Edited by tb86, 2010-03-18 12:55:30.
Posted 2010-03-18 12:56:32
Montenegrin, on 2010-03-18 12:53:34, said: lannarebirth, on 2010-03-18 13:37:31, said: I'll bet I know more about the Balkan states, their history, poitics, leadership, etc than 95% of it's non-inhabitants. Still, I wouldn't claim to know even 1% of what has gone on there compared to the people who actually have inhabited it over time. I'll bet to fully understand it would require an incredible amount of study and knowledge and living. That said, I've never seen anywhere where the machinations of government, society, business, aristocracy, etc is more convoluted than here in Thailand. What most people know, or think they know appears almost surreal. What is true, almost no one knows.
I agree and I confess that I know very little about Thailand.
But whole point I am trying to make is that if someone win elections he should form a goverment.Simple as that.Imagine what would happen in USA if McCane performed coup d'etat with help of army and deposed Obama.Got my point?
I know that you will say that criminals should be deposed no matter what support they have.OK-lets say that Taksin is criminal-you deposed him,no problem.But why did you deposed his succesor?Is he criminal to?Sorry,but hard to believe.Not to mention that two parties that won elections were banned.Democracy at its best.
Yes, the successors and their parties were criminal too. That is why Thaksin selected them. The Army didn't remove them the courts did.
Posted 2010-03-18 12:58:14
Montenegrin said: Well I am not claiming to be from Montenegro-I AM FROM MONTENEGRO-northern part of it to be precise.If there is any of you who speaks Montenegrin(Crnogorski),Serbian(Srpski),Bosnian(Bosanski) ili Croatian(Hrvatski) I will be glad to prove my words.It is basicly all the same language.
Hills behind Shinavatra on that picture are called Orjen and Rumija,btw.
I dont know,it seems to me that Sinavtras arguments are not that bad and no it is not translated to Montenegrin-I read it on internet(BBC profile of Sinavatra among others).
Welcome to the Thaivisa forum, mate. I believe you are from Montenegro. You don't need to prove that. You just need to stick around the forum for awhile and you will know who to reply and who to ignore. 
Posted 2010-03-18 13:15:41
SoMeOnEnUlL, on 2010-03-18 13:58:14, said: Welcome to the Thaivisa forum, mate. I believe you are from Montenegro. You don't need to prove that. You just need to stick around the forum for awhile and you will know who to reply and who to ignore.
Thank you
I am from Montenegro and I dont know what would I benefit by lying,becouse things we say on forums matters for nothing to be honest-but if someone doesnt believe me,than ok-what can I do.
@lannarebirth
So,your people like to vote for criminals?Dont think so.
But even if that is the case,why not new elections?
@Publicus
To be honest,I dont know what is our national interest in giving Taksin our passport.Probably request from USA or EU,cant see what else could it be 
Dont worry about snow.There is enough snow in mountines,but we have nice coastal region where there is no snow at all.Funny things are happening-it is much warmer in last 5-6 years than it was before.Global warming maybe,who knows 
Posted 2010-03-18 13:25:22
Montenegrin, on 2010-03-18 14:15:41, said: SoMeOnEnUlL, on 2010-03-18 13:58:14, said: Welcome to the Thaivisa forum, mate. I believe you are from Montenegro. You don't need to prove that. You just need to stick around the forum for awhile and you will know who to reply and who to ignore.
Thank you
I am from Montenegro and I dont know what would I benefit by lying,becouse things we say on forums matters for nothing to be honest-but if someone doesnt believe me,than ok-what can I do.
@lannarebirth
So,your people like to vote for criminals? Dont think so.
They are not "my" people. I am only a guest here, but I would say voting for criminals is not something that bothers the majority of Thai people. Even Thaksin's supporters acknowledge he is a criminal. His own lawyers defend him not on the basis of his non-criminality, but on the basis of why should the court judge him?
But even if that is the case,why not new elections?
The current PM came to power through constitutional means. There is no need for new elections till his term ends. His government is not related at all to Thaksin's former government. The calls for new elections you hear are in an effort to change the constitution to enable pardons for Thaksin, who cannot escape culpability for his crimes in any other fashion.
@Publicus
To be honest,I dont know what is our national interest in giving Taksin our passport.Probably request from USA or EU,cant see what else could it be
Dont worry about snow.There is enough snow in mountines,but we have nice coastal region where there is no snow at all.Funny things are happening-it is much warmer in last 5-6 years than it was before.Global warming maybe,who knows
Edited by lannarebirth, 2010-03-18 13:45:48.
Posted 2010-03-18 13:29:56
Thaksin and the montenegro red hats !
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