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Posted 2010-03-19 23:39:50
 meelousee, on 2010-03-19 22:12:03, said:
Hooray for the poor! 
Time to get nasty I dont blame them. If I were Thai I would be in the thick and middle of this. 
So now you elitists go ahead and bash me 
My answer to you is simple and to the point ----> 
Cant blame them either after an illegal military coup (not that any is legal) and two governements kicked out
on mere pretexts
Posted 2010-03-19 23:46:13
Old Man River, on 2010-03-19 22:17:01, said: animatic, on 2010-03-19 20:52:36, said: Old Man River, on 2010-03-19 20:43:27, said: It has been reported that Jatuporn has threatened that this protest could last for a year if it takes that long to get the house dissolution.
Excellent, just in time for the next election too.
At that point all of Thailand will be so sick of them,
and Thaksin so knackered that they will lose.
Of course that will mean the capital will have to
move back to Ayutthaia for a spell to get some work done.
It is just another example of how chaotic their leadership is. Just two days ago he had said they will win in four days. I think reality is setting in, finally. Anyway, with Abhisit being hounded and not being able to return home, this won't last too much longer.
Yeah ? Well , anti-reds (yu maybe ?) said that they would be gone beginning of this week
Everybody can make mistakes
Posted 2010-03-19 23:52:38
dude007, on 2010-03-19 22:50:01, said: Old Man River, on 2010-03-19 20:43:27, said: It has been reported that Jatuporn has threatened that this protest could last for a year if it takes that long to get the house dissolution.
Every day this silly ridiculous protest takes longer, every day the Thai people will get more and more fed up with them. How can they look for support in this city where everyone hates them for causing all these problems and making the whole business losing hundreds of thousands Thai Baht! There will be soon clashes with the Bangkokians, who also consider themselves to be a "power" too.
Red shirts, go home. Your message was clear and now you haven't anything more to win... After all, it was a compete failure, admit it!
The only failure i can see is ........... YOU
Posted 2010-03-19 23:54:56
isn't there a any consideration being taken here that this kind of behavior is, or should be, somewhat embarrassing to the country? Throwing feces, bags of urine, spilling blood, "priests" kneeling in the blood and sticking his hands in it, the single symbolic stick of incense, enough is enough! Sanctions to whatever country houses this terrorist coward that has never lived the life of luxury and only wears one 1 million baht watch at a time. Why is this still going on? Let's get it over with, all it takes is one person, no taking on mobs. Hand him over.  simplicity has it's place, but does it here?
Posted 2010-03-19 23:56:21
moresomekl, on 2010-03-19 23:39:50, said: meelousee, on 2010-03-19 22:12:03, said: Hooray for the poor!
Time to get nasty I dont blame them. If I were Thai I would be in the thick and middle of this.
So now you elitists go ahead and bash me
My answer to you is simple and to the point ----> either after an illegal military coup (not that any is legal) and two governements kicked out
on mere pretexts
What????
The coup happened because of what Taksin did and was working on. He was trying to change the term a PM can be PM to keep him in office indefinitely. Even the King made some comments about his behavior, more or less telling him he needed to calm down. Then the sale of his company to a foreigner which is illegal as a Thai company must be 51% shareholding by Thai. After he was out the Military took over for 1 year, where nothing was achieved, but peace was maintained. The one PM after that was an idiot with off the wall ideas and a cooking show. The other PM was the brother-in-law of Taksin who was forced to step down by the PAD closing the airport, no pretexts . so how can you say you cant blame them , they are only puppets earning money from Taksin with no real agenda other than trying to get the PM out and wanting Taksin back, which Taskin still does not realize that will never happen in his life time.
Abhist has requested a sit down with them and they refuse, you can work with people if they refuse to sit down and settle things, so it just shows they don't know what they are doing with no clear leadership or direction other than trying to disrupt bangkok to push the PM.
Posted 2010-03-19 23:56:43
Jingthing, on 2010-03-19 23:02:40, said: Lovia, on 2010-03-19 21:58:39, said: The Red Shirts had already proved their point by turning up in large drove, they have in fact acheived the victory they desires. So Red Shirts, you've won. Please go home now.
Excuse me? What are you on about? They projected a million. They peaked at 100K. They threw a hissy fit because of that loss of face, and vandalized with their blood, like some kind of crazy Jim Jones cult. Not to mention their bizarre globe trotting leader is a psychiatrists wet dream, makes Tricky Dick Nixon seem like Joe Normal. Now they are down to 30K people in a country of over 65 million.
So, they won what?
Be patient , they will be more of them tomorrow .
Its not yet finished
Posted 2010-03-20 00:05:52
ericthai, on 2010-03-20 00:56:21, said: moresomekl, on 2010-03-19 23:39:50, said: meelousee, on 2010-03-19 22:12:03, said: Hooray for the poor!
Time to get nasty I dont blame them. If I were Thai I would be in the thick and middle of this.
So now you elitists go ahead and bash me
My answer to you is simple and to the point ----> either after an illegal military coup (not that any is legal) and two governements kicked out
on mere pretexts
What????
The coup happened because of what Taksin did and was working on. He was trying to change the term a PM can be PM to keep him in office indefinitely. Even the King made some comments about his behavior, more or less telling him he needed to calm down. Then the sale of his company to a foreigner which is illegal as a Thai company must be 51% shareholding by Thai. After he was out the Military took over for 1 year, where nothing was achieved, but peace was maintained. The one PM after that was an idiot with off the wall ideas and a cooking show. The other PM was the brother-in-law of Taksin who was forced to step down by the PAD closing the airport, no pretexts . so how can you say you cant blame them , they are only puppets earning money from Taksin with no real agenda other than trying to get the PM out and wanting Taksin back, which Taskin still does not realize that will never happen in his life time.
Abhist has requested a sit down with them and they refuse, you can work with people if they refuse to sit down and settle things, so it just shows they don't know what they are doing with no clear leadership or direction other than trying to disrupt bangkok to push the PM.
Thaksin is not white , yes ,agree . Yet the coup was totally illegal and he was still PM caretaker at the time after winning AGAIN an election in 2005 .
The PM who came after him (cant recall the name) was kicked out for participating to 4 cooking shows on TV and earning US$400 or so per show .
Its on the web , Now thats fair ? . Am laughing ! What next time ?
Abhisit has said that he dont want to talk to the red until they disperse . Now thats logical .
nobody left to talk to after they disperse anyway .
Dont give me that crap its all on the web
Posted 2010-03-20 00:18:04
martin170587, on 2010-03-19 22:43:03, said: BigBikeBKK, on 2010-03-19 21:31:13, said: martin170587, on 2010-03-19 21:14:41, said: I just hope that it doesnt get out of control, or they decide to march to the airport :S
Its a shame they are destroying the tourism here
very unstable times...
From your uninformed post one might conclude that you yourself are a tourist... Tourism accounts for a very small portion of the Thai GDP and tourist arrivals will bounce back once the red mobs go home (which they've already started to do).
March to the airport?! Guess you haven't been out to Suvarnabhumi recently- I assure you the police and army are more than prepared to deal with any red shirts who might be stupid enough to wander out that way.
Taksin's Red Shirts are done- even though some of them won't admit it yet.
If the Red Shirts can come back under RESPECTABLE leadership with CLEAR GOALS they might actually have a chance, but as long as they have a mentally unstable homophobic convicted criminal as their leader they don't stand a chance.
Gum kee dee kwa gun tot 
Not a tourist been living here for a year.
as for the airport i went there yesterday and today and yes i saw the army with its posts but only about 10-15 soldiers/police officers i wouldnt really say enough to stop the propossed 30,000+ reds..
Merely stating a worst case scenario.
but dont get me wrong i do agree with you im sure it will stay controlled and hopefully this will all be over in a week or less.
then we can get back to the norm. 
Dun worry if the reds march on the airport , the police will be there in force , and disperse them
Its the right thing to do
Problem is that , when it was the yellow there was no one around
How strange !
Posted 2010-03-20 00:33:12
moresomekl, on 2010-03-20 00:05:52, said: Thaksin is not white , yes ,agree . Yet the coup was totally illegal and he was still PM caretaker at the time after winning AGAIN an election in 2005 .
The PM who came after him (cant recall the name) was kicked out for participating to 4 cooking shows on TV and earning US$400 or so per show .
Its on the web , Now thats fair ? . Am laughing ! What next time ?
Abhisit has said that he dont want to talk to the red until they disperse . Now thats logical .
nobody left to talk to after they disperse anyway .
Dont give me that crap its all on the web
Well, if it was on the web it must be true. I mean i just read the other day that Brad and Angelina are adopting an alien baby. BTW, the PM that came after Dr. Thaksin was Samak. He blatantly lied about his arrangements with the TV station- big surprise.
Why should Abhisit sit down with the Reds? And its the leaders of the Reds he would meet with - or do you expect him to have a sit down with 20,000 people? I think he's been more than reasonable with the Reds - its the Reds that are demanding he agree to their terms before even sitting down.
Posted 2010-03-20 00:34:43
moresomekl, on 2010-03-20 00:05:52, said: ericthai, on 2010-03-20 00:56:21, said: moresomekl, on 2010-03-19 23:39:50, said: meelousee, on 2010-03-19 22:12:03, said: Hooray for the poor!
Time to get nasty I dont blame them. If I were Thai I would be in the thick and middle of this.
So now you elitists go ahead and bash me
My answer to you is simple and to the point ----> either after an illegal military coup (not that any is legal) and two governements kicked out
on mere pretexts
What????
The coup happened because of what Taksin did and was working on. He was trying to change the term a PM can be PM to keep him in office indefinitely. Even the King made some comments about his behavior, more or less telling him he needed to calm down. Then the sale of his company to a foreigner which is illegal as a Thai company must be 51% shareholding by Thai. After he was out the Military took over for 1 year, where nothing was achieved, but peace was maintained. The one PM after that was an idiot with off the wall ideas and a cooking show. The other PM was the brother-in-law of Taksin who was forced to step down by the PAD closing the airport, no pretexts . so how can you say you cant blame them , they are only puppets earning money from Taksin with no real agenda other than trying to get the PM out and wanting Taksin back, which Taskin still does not realize that will never happen in his life time.
Abhist has requested a sit down with them and they refuse, you can work with people if they refuse to sit down and settle things, so it just shows they don't know what they are doing with no clear leadership or direction other than trying to disrupt bangkok to push the PM.
Thaksin is not white , yes ,agree . Yet the coup was totally illegal and he was still PM caretaker at the time after winning AGAIN an election in 2005 .
The PM who came after him (cant recall the name) was kicked out for participating to 4 cooking shows on TV and earning US$400 or so per show .
Its on the web , Now thats fair ? . Am laughing ! What next time ?
Abhisit has said that he dont want to talk to the red until they disperse . Now thats logical .
nobody left to talk to after they disperse anyway .
Dont give me that crap its all on the web
What do you mean don't give me that crap? As for being all over the web I don't need to check been living here for the last 12 years and lived through all this crap.
Of course all coups are illegal so your comment about being illegal is irrelevant. As for your comment on winning a 2005 election you are incorrect, his party (Thai Rak Thai) won the majority of the seats in the house of Representatives. The coup took place about one month before there was to be a nationwide general house election, so get your facts straight!!
As for Samak Sundaravej the PM with the cooking show yes we was removed from office because he violated the constitution by hosting these shows and this was the reason. The rules are the rules. However the guy was an idiot with stupid comments and ideas. Also, you are incorrect that after Taksin was overthrown the PM was Samak Sundaravej , which he was not it was ruled by the retired General Surayud Chulanont who was appointed by the military for 1 year.
Posted 2010-03-20 00:38:50
moresomekl, on 2010-03-20 00:18:04, said: Dun worry if the reds march on the airport , the police will be there in force , and disperse them
Its the right thing to do
Problem is that , when it was the yellow there was no one around
How strange !
You can't put the airport fiasco on this government - it was Thaksin's brother in law who was PM then. How strange.
Posted 2010-03-20 00:45:10
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What do you mean don't give me that crap? As for being all over the web I don't need to check been living here for the last 12 years and lived through all this crap.
Of course all coups are illegal so your comment about being illegal is irrelevant. As for your comment on winning a 2005 election you are incorrect, his party (Thai Rak Thai) won the majority of the seats in the house of Representatives. The coup took place about one month before there was to be a nationwide general house election, so get your facts straight!!
As for Samak Sundaravej the PM with the cooking show yes we was removed from office because he violated the constitution by hosting these shows and this was the reason. The rules are the rules. However the guy was an idiot with stupid comments and ideas. Also, you are incorrect that after Taksin was overthrown the PM was Samak Sundaravej , which he was not it was ruled by the retired General Surayud Chulanont who was appointed by the military for 1 year.
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Yeah well go buy yourself a good pair of glasses and read again , thats what i said , all coup are illegal .
Yes then why not wait for the nationwide house election just to see who wins ? Obvious answer , is it not ?
Thought the rules are the rules ...
Everybody is an idiot that dont think like you obviously , so i wont take your desciption seriously .
Posted 2010-03-20 00:54:13
Netfan, on 2010-03-20 01:38:50, said: moresomekl, on 2010-03-20 00:18:04, said: Dun worry if the reds march on the airport , the police will be there in force , and disperse them
Its the right thing to do
Problem is that , when it was the yellow there was no one around
How strange !
You can't put the airport fiasco on this government - it was Thaksin's brother in law who was PM then. How strange.
Yes right but you know as i do that the police did not want to go... then
Posted 2010-03-20 00:56:59
reenatinnakor, on 2010-03-19 21:10:41, said: i'd still want to go back and live there rather than Slough!!
And a large number of people living in Slough (UK!) would rather stay there than go back to where they came from! 
Posted 2010-03-20 01:01:09
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Yeah well go buy yourself a good pair of glasses and read again , thats what i said , all coup are illegal .
Yes then why not wait for the nationwide house election just to see who wins ? Obvious answer , is it not ?
Thought the rules are the rules ...
Everybody is an idiot that dont think like you obviously , so i wont take your desciption seriously .
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Talk about needing glasses, I said that your comment about the coup was irrelevant because all coups are illegal, so you are just stating the obvious.
Do you know anything that was going on during that time? The reason they had a coup was because Taksin dissolved the parliament and called for a snap election, and with all the things Taksin was trying to achive to keep himself in office forever the coup seemed like the best course of action which was given an ok by the king.
Im not saying anyone has to think like me, Im telling you to get your facts straight. Go do some research and you will find out what happened. I know what took place I was here and saw and understood what was going on where you?
Posted 2010-03-20 01:03:40
moresomekl, on 2010-03-20 00:54:13, said: Netfan, on 2010-03-20 01:38:50, said: moresomekl, on 2010-03-20 00:18:04, said: Dun worry if the reds march on the airport , the police will be there in force , and disperse them
Its the right thing to do
Problem is that , when it was the yellow there was no one around
How strange !
You can't put the airport fiasco on this government - it was Thaksin's brother in law who was PM then. How strange.
Yes right but you know as i do that the police did not want to go... then
Well then, you have to wonder why not. Ineffectual leadership? A PM who was obviously a puppet? You can't compare the situations. Its not as simple as you want to make it out to be......
Posted 2010-03-20 01:13:34
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Well then, you have to wonder why not. Ineffectual leadership? A PM who was obviously a puppet? You can't compare the situations. Its not as simple as you want to make it out to be......
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On the contrary the whole thing is very simple ... to millions of thais in the rural areas
Posted 2010-03-20 01:19:29
Red Shirts: Democracy equals Taksin coming back to power and his money restored.
Everybody Else: STFU GTFO
I, personally, would love to support improving the lot ot the poor (and not just Isaan poor), but, if I have to accept Dr. Taksin as part of the deal, it's a nonstarter. Unfortunately for the red-shirts, their leadership is only using them. They will have to find a new venue to get my support which I would willing to give; just not when Dr. Taksin is involved.
BTW I believe all the leadership of the PAD should serve some serious time in prison and every yellow-shirt who ilegally occupied the airport should serve two week in jail on a rotating basis even if it takes years for them all to serve.
The line-up of the courts was not changed by the military and is one branch of the government all should depend on even if justice is often slow. Even though the current govt. is legal, it is only through a tecnicality. We wouldn't be in this terrible situation if TRT and PPP hadn't got caught cheating. I'm not saying the Dems don't do the same thing, they just haven't been caught.
Is it possible to be against Dr. Taksin and still be for the poor and abused? Is it possible to be against the demonstrations and still be for democratic change? Can the yellows or reds work through the legislative process to achieve their goals?
Posted 2010-03-20 01:24:28
rametindallas, on 2010-03-20 02:19:29, said: Red Shirts: Democracy equals Taksin coming back to power and his money restored.
Everybody Else: STFU GTFO
I, personally, would love to support improving the lot ot the poor (and not just Isaan poor), but, if I have to accept Dr. Taksin as part of the deal, it's a nonstarter. Unfortunately for the red-shirts, their leadership is only using them. They will have to find a new venue to get my support which I would willing to give; just not when Dr. Taksin is involved.
BTW I believe all the leadership of the PAD should serve some serious time in prison and every yellow-shirt who ilegally occupied the airport should serve two week in jail on a rotating basis even if it takes years for them all to serve.
The line-up of the courts was not changed by the military and is one branch of the government all should depend on even if justice is often slow. Even though the current govt. is legal, it is only through a tecnicality. We wouldn't be in this terrible situation if TRT and PPP hadn't got caught cheating. I'm not saying the Dems don't do the same thing, they just haven't been caught.
Is it possible to be against Dr. Taksin and still be for the poor and abused? Is it possible to be against the demonstrations and still be for democratic change? Can the yellows or reds work through the legislative process to achieve their goals?
Good post ! Hopefully Abhisit and the red leaders can discuss
Posted 2010-03-20 01:26:46
moresomekl, on 2010-03-20 01:54:13, said: Netfan, on 2010-03-20 01:38:50, said: moresomekl, on 2010-03-20 00:18:04, said: Dun worry if the reds march on the airport , the police will be there in force , and disperse them
Its the right thing to do
Problem is that , when it was the yellow there was no one around
How strange !
You can't put the airport fiasco on this government - it was Thaksin's brother in law who was PM then. How strange.
Yes right but you know as i do that the police did not want to go... then
So why not blame the police whose leadership was appointed by Taksinistas? This current govt. had no power over the police inaction. Somchai should have tried harder; fired the top police leadership until he found someone who would follow orders. Somchai was weak. The Yellows should NEVER have been allowed anywhere near the airport.
Posted 2010-03-20 02:10:08
So, Abhisit is a tactical genius for not clamping down on the reds protest, and Thaksin's brother (in law?) is a buffoon for allowing the extended occupation of the airports?
Posted 2010-03-20 02:33:03
Blood will spill on Saturday. The second the protest interfers with business or an impatient resident, something is going to hit the fan.........
Posted 2010-03-20 02:39:36
Posted 2010-03-20 03:07:47
So bored with all this red-shirt / yellow-shirt nonsense now. Seems to be settled already.
Isn't there something more interesting to talk about?
Posted 2010-03-20 03:10:23
hextac, on 2010-03-20 03:10:08, said: So, Abhisit is a tactical genius for not clamping down on the reds protest, and Thaksin's brother (in law?) is a buffoon for allowing the extended occupation of the airports?
Abhisit will be an idiot if he lets ANY demonstrators, red yellow or orange, get near the airport or shut the BTS and MRT. Somchai is not and never was a buffoon; he was however badly served by the instruments of govt. and he did not take command in the situation of the airport.
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