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[farangnahrak]

Actually, I think the word 'conflict' as you suggested would also fit better . . . Mr Abhisit sugar coats his own speeches, so thats why I'm convinced he wouldn't put a loaded term in it.


Another word I heard in his speech (if I remember right), and I've been seeing in the papers lately:
ข้อมูลข่าวสาร - news information

A good reference example:
"...การให้ข้อมูลข่าวสารที่ถูกต้องครบ"
...making news information correct and complete.

(in other words, news that doesn't spread misinformation)

[DavidHouston]

Friends,

A snippet from Siam Rath:

". . . มีการวางแผนว่าหากมีการสลายก็จะใช้แผนขนมชั้นตีโอบทหารอีกชั้น"

Can someone explain to me the tactic of "ใช้แผนขนมชั้นตีโอบทหารอีกชั้น"?  Sounds like ". . . to envelop the soldiers on all sides" (like Hannibal's defeat of Scipio at Cannae), but that's just a guess.

Thanks.

Edited by DavidHouston, 2010-05-05 13:48:52.

[uppalux]

ขนมชั้น is a snack ,  http://images.google...E...dM&start=11
a wafer like layer after layer

a first group of red protester will stand ground. in a camp or stage.
then if a military is going to break by surround , envelope a protester then  , reds will call for more backup and ambush a milatary from somewhere.
double envelope the breaking operation, outrun by greater number , humanshield  . likethat

[DavidHouston]

Excellent, Uppalux.  Thank you.  Hannibal would be proud!

[farangnahrak]

Perhaps useful information . . . The barricades at the protest sight have many layers. About every block or two is a defensive wall of bamboo and tires. Many walls need to be breached to get to the stage. Perhaps they mean if a layer is breached, they can just fall back to the next layer?

[DavidHouston]

From today’s Matichon:

“หากนายอภิสิทธิ์ ประกาศวันยุบสภามาแน่นอนแล้วคนเสื้อแดงยอมรับเรื่องเงื่อนเวลาได้ ก็จะไปสู่การเจรจาในรายละเอียดอีกครั้งเพื่อกำหนดให้ชัดเจนลงไปเลยว่าระหว่างทางก่อนที่จะยุบสภาตามที่ได้ตกลงกันนั้นจะต้องทำอะไรบ้าง”

“Once Mr. Aphisit announces the firm date on which the parliament will be dissolved, the Red Shirts can accept [this] binding date.  [We] will then pursue detailed negotiations once again in order to establish very clearly what needs to be done before the agreed dissolution date.”

1.  Is the Thai phrase “หาก . . . แล้ว” equivalent to the English conjunction “once”?

2.  I was not familiar with the term “เงื่อนเวลา”; Domnern Sathienpong defines this a a legal phrase meaning “time clause”.  Is my usage as “binding date” here correct?

3.  I am not sure that I understand the clause “ระหว่างทางก่อนที่จะยุบสภาตามที่ได้ตกลงกันนั้นจะต้องทำอะไรบ้าง”.  Is my interpretation above correct?

Thanks for your help.

[farangnahrak]

1. hmmmm fits perfectly . . . not sure if all cases, but seems right to me!
3. I couldn't think of a better way to word it (its a fairly hefty sentence, no?)


I just ran into this list of the UDD leaders. You probably know half already . . . I was debating how to spell 'Weng' in Thai for weeks now . . .

ทักษิณ บิ๊กจิ๋ว จตุพร เหวง วีระ กี้ เสธแดง

[tod-daniels]

I was talking to some thais (of various color shirt persuasions; redz, yellowz, multiz, dark bluez, etc) about the difficulty for foreigners in understanding thai politics without knowing a TON of political words.

I had with me a 9 page sheet of thai political words I shamelessly ripped from Kaewmala's blog "Love & Sex in Thai Culture" here; http://thaisextalk.w...lored-politics/

I had the red leaders listed, and when they got to the violence advocating, red-firebrand, whack job known as Maj Gen Khattiya Sawasdipol; พลตรี ดร.ขัตติยะ สวัสดิผล, also listed as Seh Daeng; เสธ. แดง they said I had the alias listed wrong. I already knew that เสธ. was the abbreviation for เสนาธิการ: aide de camp, aid, or Chief of Staff.  

The thais said is technically the correct word.  However, (and even the redz sitting with us reluctantly agreed they knew of this too) everyone colloquially refers to him as 'เศษ' แดง, using the demeaning word play of เศษ which as best I can glean carries the meaning of; insignificant, scrap, left over, or a little bit.

Dunno, just thought I would throw this out there as what I was told.  

I also went down to the red-bamboo/rubber tire, and formerly gasoline soaked tree fort by Chula and saw Seh Daeng too.  I agree with "farangnahrak"; Khattiya's a frickin 'legend in his own mind', posing for pix, and hamming it up for the press and will bloviate about thai politics and the red ‘solution’ to anyone who will take the time to listen to him talk.  

In fact next to 'whacky Weng' I don't think there is anyone who likes to hear the sound of their own voice more than Khattiya.  (Even though Jatuporn Suporn and Arisman come in a close tie for third!!)

Sadly, if there is one person in the red-rabble leadership who is likely to fight this 'road map to reconciliation' and continue to preach violence as the way forward, it's Seh Daeng.  

As an aside; I had a dark navy blue colored t-shirt screened with เพื่อนเนวิน in references to the "Friends of Newin" group. I made and wore it more to see the reaction than anything else. Overall the shirt has gotten an unfavorable response, especially around ANY red-rabble 'tree forts' or strongholds as Newin is blamed for switching sides and making this entire political situation come about (at least if you believe the red take on things) .  

A sensible person might think twice about wearing one, but then I've never ever been accused of being particularly politically correct   or caring what people thought about me   .

[farangnahrak]

lol, tod-daniels . . . you should have taken a pic with him while wearing the shirt

Just to confirm what you said, I saw the term 'เศษมนุษย์' in my facebook last night in reference to Seh Daeng. I assume it means he's 'barely human.' That said, Seh Daeng was pretty much silent when I saw him.

And a good link, I'll be studying that for awhile . . .

[sabaijai]

farangnahrak, on 2010-05-06 15:42:17, said:

Just to confirm what you said, I saw the term 'เศษมนุษย์' in my facebook last night in reference to Seh Daeng. I assume it means he's 'barely human.'

Better translation, methinks: 'dregs of humanity'

Here's a vid with easy Thai practice, few political terms but lots of political bearing with shades of John Lennon for good measure. Ignore the cheesy music!