"กรม" in this context means "regiment of soldiers" (See Lexitron). And, I believe the translation, adapted from Domnern-Sathienpong is
"11th Infantry Regiment, H.M. The King's Bodyguard"
Edited by DavidHouston, 2010-04-19 09:06:12.
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The Thai Political Word Thread. ..
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tod-daniels
, 2010-04-04 00:23
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DavidHouston
Super Member Posted 2010-04-19 09:03:30
I believe the full name is is "กรมทหารราบที่ 11 รักษาพระองค์ (ร.11 รอ.)"
"กรม" in this context means "regiment of soldiers" (See Lexitron). And, I believe the translation, adapted from Domnern-Sathienpong is "11th Infantry Regiment, H.M. The King's Bodyguard" #52
Xangsamhua
Platinum Member Posted 2010-04-19 16:58:16
I believe the full name is is "กรมทหารราบที่ 11 รักษาพระองค์ (ร.11 รอ.)" "กรม" in this context means "regiment of soldiers" (See Lexitron). And, I believe the translation, adapted from Domnern-Sathienpong is "11th Infantry Regiment, H.M. The King's Bodyguard" Thank you. I've heard it several times on the radio, but couldn't remember it. It helps to see it in print. #53
farangnahrak
Senior Member Posted 2010-04-20 22:44:00
I just saw this word on Bangkok Post, ประมุข.
It means 'Head/Chief of State': [นาม] ผู้เป็นใหญ่เป็นหัวหน้าของประเทศหรือศาสนาเป็นต้น The full story: http://www.bangkokpo...thaksin-posters #54
farangnahrak
Senior Member Posted 2010-04-21 11:39:39
How would I translate 'jury', as in a court?
Looking it up I see these, not sure which is the best to use . . . 1 คณะกรรมการผู้พิจารณาการให้รางวัลและการตัดสิน 2 คณะตุลาการ 3 คณะลูกขุน Preferably a short easy one to remember 
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tod-daniels
Banned Posted 2010-04-21 13:19:26
Here's a good one from the new stickers which sprang up around Silom.
ประธานาธิบดี ทักษิณ ชินวัตร ประมุข รัฐไทยใหม่ President Thaksin Shinawatra Leader (of the) New State of Thailand At the bottom is นปช. although they deny it's them. Another 'third hand', or มือสาม I guess. Christ with all the new colors "coming out" this week as far as political affiliation, soon I'm not even gonna be able to wear my black KISS band t-shirts. .. 
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farangnahrak
Senior Member Posted 2010-04-21 13:58:33
Here's a good one from the new stickers which sprang up around Silom. ประธานาธิบดี ทักษิณ ชินวัตร ประมุข รัฐไทยใหม่ President Thaksin Shinawatra Leader (of the) New State of Thailand At the bottom is นปช. although they deny it's them. Another 'third hand', or มือสาม I guess. ระบอบประชาธิปไตยอันมีพระมหากษัตริย์ทรงเป็นประมุข A democratic system with the King as Head of State Only if Thaksin and friends wanted to make themselves look really bad would they ever publish these stickers . . . The PAD and pro-PAD media have been trying to paint Thaksin as anti-King for a long time, even publishing headline articles that he was secretly planning to overthrow the King in a coup. He sued them for libel, they then accused him of suppressing the press, and thats history . . . #57
farangnahrak
Senior Member Posted 2010-04-22 22:57:24
The 'PAD Pink No Color' shirts are called เสื้อหลักสี.
I asked a bunch of Thai friends, and they all believe the 'no color' shirts are just the PAD in disguise . . . hence what I called them . . . #58
farangnahrak
Senior Member Posted 2010-04-22 23:46:36
spelling correction: เสื้อหลากสี
My Thai friends apparently can't spell . . . #59
anchan42
Senior Member Posted 2010-04-23 11:00:02
How would I translate 'jury', as in a court? Looking it up I see these, not sure which is the best to use . . . 1 คณะกรรมการผู้พิจารณาการให้รางวัลและการตัดสิน 2 คณะตุลาการ 3 คณะลูกขุน Preferably a short easy one to remember 1 คณะกรรมการผู้พิจารณาการให้รางวัลและการตัดสิน Committee 2 คณะตุลาการ judges i.e. a group of them 3 คณะลูกขุน jury #60
DavidHouston
Super Member Posted 2010-04-24 06:21:09
Friends,
Here is a new phrase for me: “กระดานเผชิญหน้า”; this seems to mean “barricades”. The French in Paris use paving stones; the Thais use bamboo stakes. Here is the context in which I found the phrase: ดูเหมือนเป็นธรรมเนียมของการประท้วงในเมืองไทย เมื่อใดที่กลุ่มผู้ประท้วงต้องเผชิญกับทหาร (หรือตำรวจ) ผู้นำก็จะขึ้นมาประกาศเสียงดัง ให้ได้ยินทั้งในหมู่ผู้ประท้วงและทหาร-ตำรวจที่ยืนเรียงแถวหน้ากระดานเผชิญหน้า ว่าเจ้าหน้าที่เหล่านั้นล้วนเป็นลูกหลานของพวกเรา จิตใจของเขาอยู่ฝ่ายเรา แต่ต้องทำไปตามคำสั่งเท่านั้น It seems normal at Thai protests that whenever the protestors confront solders (or the police), the leadership has to get up and announce, loud enough for both the protestors and the military who are lining the barricades to hear, that the soldiers and policemen are our brothers and sisters, nieces and nephews; their hearts and minds are on our side, but they are duty bound to obey their orders. (the translation is mine) I would appreciate any corrections or comments. Thanks. #61
uppalux
Advanced Member Posted 2010-04-24 18:32:38
Davidhouston
I think กระดาน is a separate with เผชิญหน้า กระดาน (in the article is เรียงแถวหน้ากระดาน) is line-up formation that troops come to front and spread wide (I don't know this word) like this 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 it's a shallow but wide formation in order to block a protesters. or barricade a road to maintain/stand ground or even push back. เผชิญหน้า is mean confront (like a phrase สถานการณ์เสี่ยงต่อการเผชิญหน้า prone to confrontation situation) #62
321niti123
Senior Member Posted 2010-04-24 18:50:35
Great thread, Tod. One minor correction: นายกรัฐมนตรี (prime minister) is often shortened to นายก. รัฐมนตรี is a cabinet minister, shortened from รัฐมนตรีว่าการ. ผู้ว่า is kind of a broad term for government bigshot/senior official, usually the governor of a province, or mayor (e.g., กรุงเทพฯ). ผู้ว่า sounds a lot like the term that Latino street gangs use for boss (literally translated from Spanish as "he who speaks"), but the Thai is actually a short form of ผู้ว่าราชการ As for ศาลฎีกา - wasn't that a hi-so discotheque that burned down on New Years Eve? (Who would name a disco The Supreme Court, anyway?) Santika is the pub the "ti" pronounced as a short sound and spelled with tor tao and not dor dek the ka is also a short sound and has a higher intonation than the kaa in ศาลฎีกา which has a long low sound #63
321niti123
Senior Member Posted 2010-04-24 19:14:41
ระบอบประชาธิปไตยโดยมีพระมหากษัตริย์ทรงเป็นประมุข (ra borb prachatipathai doy mee pramaha kasat pben pramuk)
Democratic form of government with a monarch as head of state (Constitutional Monarchy) ระบอบรัฐสภา (Ra borb ratta sapa) Parliamentary form of government (this word is used by abhisit to state that his becoming PM is legal through Parliamentary form of govt) ระเบิด(ra bert) Bomb การประท้วง(karn Pra tuang)-there is also another word which i dont know how to spell its pronounce karn chum num to Protest สถานะการฉุกเฉิน (stanakarn chukchern) State of emergency ความมั่นคงภายใน (kwam mun kong pai nai) internal/domestic security กองทัพบก (Kong Tub Bok) Army การเลือกตั้ง (luak tung) election เจ้าหน้าที่ตำรวจ (Jao na tee tum ruaj) police officers บัญชาการกองทัพบก (Puu ban cha karn kong tub bok) Head of Army (currently- Army General Anupong Paochinda) ประชาชนพล (Pra Cha Chon) citizens ศูนย์อำนวยการแก้ไขสถานะการฉุกเฉิน (Suun aum nuay karn gae kai stanakarn chuk chern) Center/Organization to fix/improve state of emergency-its an organization set up to fix the state of emergency, part of state of emergency decree #64
Irene
Senior Member Posted 2010-04-25 05:35:32
Red T-shirts with ไพร่ printed large on them. My dictionaries translate as citizens, commoners, also vulgar wretch. I suppose in this context it is pride in being one of the people? No, no. It is "Peasant". You can sometimes see protest T-shirts that write it in English. What a lovely thread! So surprised with so much interest! "Prai" can also mean crude and unrefined. I think its origin was from lives in palace between those ruling masters and those who served. The latter are less educated. With that connotation, I was surprised with the red leaders' initiation of this word when all of them and especially that Dubai man couldn't hardly be classified as "peasant" or "common man". But unwittingly they could fall under the definition of "crude". #65
tod-daniels
Banned Posted 2010-04-25 14:44:42
The 'PAD Pink No Color' shirts are called เสื้อหลักสี. I asked a bunch of Thai friends, and they all believe the 'no color' shirts are just the PAD in disguise . . . hence what I called them . . .
spelling correction: เสื้อหลากสี My Thai friends apparently can't spell . . . FWIW: even though my thai friends are composed of redz, yellowz, dark bluez (Newin) and many colors we all sit together talk about what's going on politics-wise and get drunk in a friendly manner  . What I (as an outsider find even more interesting is); even when they are piss drunk, they are respectful of each persons views. I honestly feel if more thais would share this; "okay your opinion is different from mine but I'm not gonna fight over it" viewpoint this entire fiasco would be a moot. These friends ALL share strong political convictions but won’t let politics get in the way of their friendships. Truly admirable. .. In fact I printed this thread to show them the foreign interest in their politics and the vocabulary needed to actually talk coherently in thai to a thai about it. They were amazed we cared as much as we do. .
Edited by tod-daniels, 2010-04-25 14:48:00. #66
DavidHouston
Super Member Posted 2010-04-25 19:37:43
What's in a Name?
"THE NATION: Nuttawut: we won't call ourselves multicolour. We r colour-less and non-privilege group. (mai me see, mai me sen in Thai).TT @jin_nation" I have not seen the Thai but I am assuming that "เสื้อหลากสี" has become "เสื้อไม่มีสี ไม่มีเส้น" I guess we can call this "แม่ชี" garb. Edited by DavidHouston, 2010-04-25 19:39:13. #67
mangkorn
Super Member Posted 2010-04-25 23:21:28
different pronounciation ศาลฎีกา is pronounced Sarn(Sarn like court) Dee(Dee like good-long sound and spelled with dor dek) Kaa (kaa like crow-Low and long sounds) which means The Supreme Court of Justice Santika is the pub the "ti" pronounced as a short sound and spelled with tor tao and not dor dek the ka is also a short sound and has a higher intonation than the kaa in ศาลฎีกา which has a long low sound I don't understand this post. I don't know where you got a "dor dek" from, either. Why don't you just write it in Thai? (Also, กา is เสียงสามัญ - not "low.") #68
farangnahrak
Senior Member Posted 2010-04-26 10:29:35
Kinda related . . . I just saw a white T-shirt that says:
เสื้อตัวนี้สีเดียวกะมึง I was told that if I wear it, I'll be ปลอดภัย . . . #69
tod-daniels
Banned Posted 2010-04-26 10:51:40
spelling correction: เสื้อหลากสี My Thai friends apparently can't spell . . .  , err corrected!!I 'mis-remembered' the word for many colors and it is indeed; หลากสี...
What's in a Name? "THE NATION: Nuttawut: we won't call ourselves multicolour. We r colour-less and non-privilege group. (mai me see, mai me sen in Thai).TT @jin_nation" I have not seen the Thai but I am assuming that "เสื้อหลากสี" has become "เสื้อไม่มีสี ไม่มีเส้น" I guess we can call this "แม่ชี" garb.  (Now if they were yellowz disguised as many colors, reds disguised as yellowz, the ever popular fake redz, or if on the odd chance they were yellowz actually wearing yellow but under that shirt they wore a red shirt because they were somewhat sympathetic to the red cause... .ARGH!!  I give up!!! There are just too many frickin' colors to keep track of ) Strange, I've always heard the phrase มีเส้น used more like "to have connections". When a problem arises like if a thai gets into a jamb with Police or some other problem, they have a number to call or a "connection" high enough up the food chain to remedy the situation. Interesting that ไม่มีเส้น can mean non-privileged. #70
tod-daniels
Banned Posted 2010-04-26 10:58:00
Kinda related . . . I just saw a white T-shirt that says: เสื้อตัวนี้สีเดียวกะมึง I was told that if I wear it, I'll be ปลอดภัย . . . Is that like the bumper stickers on cars which say; รถคันนี่สีเขียว "This car is green", no matter what color car the sticker happens to be affixed to? #71
chantorn
Super Member Posted 2010-04-26 11:04:30
Kinda related . . . I just saw a white T-shirt that says: เสื้อตัวนี้สีเดียวกะมึง I was told that if I wear it, I'll be ปลอดภัย . . . Is that like the bumper stickers on cars which say; รถคันนี่สีเขียว "This car is green", no matter what color car the sticker happens to be affixed to? No it say "The shirt has the same colour as fcuking yours" #72
farangnahrak
Senior Member Posted 2010-04-26 11:32:46
Is that like the bumper stickers on cars which say; รถคันนี่สีเขียว "This car is green", no matter what color car the sticker happens to be affixed to? Sounds like its eluding to the fact that its 'environmentally friendly' . . . #73
SimonN
Senior Member Posted 2010-04-26 14:59:50
Is that like the bumper stickers on cars which say; รถคันนี่สีเขียว "This car is green", no matter what color car the sticker happens to be affixed to? Sounds like its eluding to the fact that its 'environmentally friendly' . . . . . . or perhaps the owner of the vehicle has been advised the colour of the vehicle is unlucky... and (in this case) green is lucky. #74
mangkorn
Super Member Posted 2010-04-27 04:51:22
Is that like the bumper stickers on cars which say; รถคันนี่สีเขียว "This car is green", no matter what color car the sticker happens to be affixed to? Sounds like its eluding to the fact that its 'environmentally friendly' . . . "Alluding" - not "eluding." Quite different things, surely... #75
kokesaat
Senior Member Posted 2010-04-27 09:29:35
The Bangkok Pundit (at http://www.asiancorr...ok-pundit-blog) has an interesting piece today that includes a rather helter-skelter diagram of the UDD organization. Might be some handy names/terms for those following the conflict.
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