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[brianmarinus]

Hello!
I have told you a litle before about my freind,but now he is in hospital again-and they have discover that he has,COPD-lumonia and loung cancer.
I have contactet the Danish Ambasy and goverment to try to make them help him whit a ticket home,but they wont.
So,any advice fore what to do???
Brian

[britmaveric]

^pay for a ticket for him?

[kandahar]

Brian, I'm not positive I understand what you are asking about.  Let's clarify.  I would guess you are asking about a ticket for an ambulance type air ticket for the man.  If he is released from the hospital and can fly the usual way, surely his family could help get him home.  What kind of cost for the health-care flight?

Is the man a military veteran?

[sceadugenga]

There's a thread in the Ko Samui forum about an Australian dive instructor who was laid low with a rare disease "just" after his insurance ran out.
Enormous problems in  the Thai hospital system with no money, I seem to recall his parents had to raise the cash to get him home.
Your friend would be well advised to make his way back to Denmark as well as he can. Watch for the cheap flights on line.

[harrry]

If your friend has COPD it is possible that he needs oxegen to fly...it is important to check with a doctor..  Prices vary for the oxegen considerably. Some such as THai or QANTAS charge $100 a flight sector and some others chare 150% of the full published seat fare extra.  Not the fare paid but the full fare in the book.  I am almost certain that the Danish embassy will contact his relatives back home for him if he asks to ask them for the fare.  If they cannot or will not pay the fare he may be sent back by the embassy but will have to repay the full fare to them.

Edited by harrry, 2010-04-08 07:46:32.

[brianmarinus]

Hello!
They say in the hospital that he can fly but need air-but the ambasy say he can not.It is a matter off 9.500 dkkr.
I have allready contactet the family but they can not help whit the mony-but I have write to the Danish goverment about it and I have make a home page on facebook and alot of people in Denmark suppert this group-35 menbers now-so lets see how it works out.
I think about-he have to stamp-the latest is today-what happend if we dont do this fore him??
Will the Thai goverment send him back then???Maby they just give him a fine-so we better go to Mae sai today and do it fore him-it is the 3. day in a road we are up there-they keep asking  fore more papers every time-but think it is ok. today.
Thanks fore your reply!
Brian

Edited by brianmarinus, 2010-04-08 08:34:46.

[kandahar]

brianmarinus, on 2010-04-08 08:19:53, said:

Hello!
They say in the hospital that he can fly but need air-but the ambasy say he can not.It is a matter off 9.500 dkkr.
I have allready contactet the family but they can not help whit the mony-but I have write to the Danish goverment about it and I have make a home page on facebook and alot of people in Denmark suppert this group-35 menbers now-so lets see how it works out.
I think about-he have to stamp-the latest is today-what happend if we dont do this fore him??
Will the Thai goverment send him back then???Maby they just give him a fine-so we better go to Mae sai today and do it fore him-it is the 3. day in a road we are up there-they keep asking  fore more papers every time-but think it is ok. today.
Thanks fore your reply!
Brian

Okay.

I'm not sure how the Danish embassy can keep him from flying or why they would try to.  Seems to me that if he buys the ticket and shows up, no person would be there to stop him.  But I am not familiar with the Danish way of doing things.

Yeah, sounds like you should get the immigration stamp for him if you can.  If he doesn't have the money for the airline ticket, he doesn't have the money for fines.

Might be a good idea to contact the airline and find out exactly what the cost of the ticket, with the oxygen, will be, so you know exactly how much baht you need to get him home.

Let me know when you are ready to buy the ticket.  I will contribute some baht for that if you come up short on the Facebook support.  I can't help a lot but I can help some.  If you need my help, PM me at that time.

[metisdead]

If he's about to enter into overstay status, I believe he can get a waiver due to health reasons.

[Mario2008]

If he is unfit to travel he can get an extension of staybased on medical reasons. It would require a letter from the doctor stating he can't fly and immigration might have him examined by their own doctor. Since he can fly, but onlyy with oxygen, an extension is unlikely.

Thai immigration will only deport someone on his own expenses. If they arrest someone to be deported, you stai in jail till the plane ticket is paid for.

[brianmarinus]

Hi!
Ok,I understand that and we go to Mae sai to fix hes stamp-we have all the papers don from hospital and so-so I ques that we can fix it today.
I have ask a cople of fligth fares how much it will cost and can they give him oxygen-so now we must see.
Then I have write to Danish Ambasy again about this.
Brian

[harrry]

brianmarinus, on 2010-04-08 10:49:50, said:

Hi!
Ok,I understand that and we go to Mae sai to fix hes stamp-we have all the papers don from hospital and so-so I ques that we can fix it today.
I have ask a cople of fligth fares how much it will cost and can they give him oxygen-so now we must see.
Then I have write to Danish Ambasy again about this.
Brian

Most airlines can provide oxygen....the problem is the cost varies so much for it.  You must check how much they charge. Special forms need to be submitted to the airlines about 10 days prior to the flight.
Embassies usully only use their own counries airlines for repatriatiations and this may be much more expensive especially if flying with oxygen.

[Langsuan Man]

Every time I read a thread like this I can't help be reminded that there is a reason that Thai Immigration requires 800,000 / 400,000 THB, or 65,000 THB per month income for extending your visa

So you will have the money to go home if it becomes necessary

[metisdead]

Langsuan Man, on 2010-04-08 10:00:02, said:

Every time I read a thread like this I can't help be reminded that there is a reason that Thai Immigration requires 800,000 / 400,000 THB, or 65,000 THB per month income for extending your visa

So you will have the money to go home if it becomes necessary

Good point!

[Jonathanpattaya]

I am sorry to hear this story about your very sick friend.
If the embassy will not help to repatriate him maybe you and his other friends can help to pay for a ticket and get him home.

Edited by Jonathanpattaya, 2010-04-08 12:10:07.

[Trickcyclist]

organise a collection among Danish expat community

good health and good luck

[Limbo]

metisdead, on 2010-04-08 10:10:01, said:

Langsuan Man, on 2010-04-08 10:00:02, said:

Every time I read a thread like this I can't help be reminded that there is a reason that Thai Immigration requires 800,000 / 400,000 THB, or 65,000 THB per month income for extending your visa

So you will have the money to go home if it becomes necessary

Good point!

If Brianmarinus wouldn't be Danish, some might think he would be trollish.
But trolls are invented in Sweden, geographically a little bit more to the north.

After your house buying problems that after 31 postings finally weren't problems at all,
you now present us with the next drama.

Can you at least give some more specified information to us, supposed Good Samaritans?

COPD is a condition that nowadays can be controlled rather well by medication (different kinds of
bronchodillators etc.). If you mean pneumonia by lumonia, then your friend would have been
treated to antibiotics long time ago. Pneumonia is an illness that, if discovered in time, can
be cured without too many complications.
Lung cancer is of course another thing. If your friends needs an operation for this and he is the kind
of person that managed to get a visum (what visum?) without heading the financial requirements that
the Royal Thai Immigration Police presents to us, then it is simply better going back to Denmark and
enjoy the benefits of its excellent healthcare. The Danish taxpayer will cover his costs.

Concerning your house buying problems you were suggesting for a long while that Sinthanee, one of
the most well respected and trusted real estate companies in town, would possible take away a more
than 400.000 deposito from you.
Questions why this deposito was this unusual high, you never answered.

Now you are suggesting that the Danish Embassy is the bogeyman.

For your information: Embassies are nowadays very reluctant to lent money to people who for
what reason so ever, manage to get into financial problems abroad. The simple reason is, that
people who get into financial troubles and are assisted, seldom pay back.

One of the well-respected members of this forum, who was in line for a semi-diplomatic position in
Thailand, told me that in his country only 2 percent of the people who borrowed from their Royal
Embassy seemed to be inclined to pay back. 2 Percent, sad but true. The other 98 percent
probably thought 'thank you and I hope you are two dogs because then you can play with yourself".

So the people who need their embassies assistance prove themselves to be bad creditors.

So Brianmarinus, please do not to accuse your embassy of not be willing to help Danish
people in Thailand, even those who caused their problems by themselves.
Don't put the Danish Embassy there where you put Sinthanee Real Estate before!

They even help people who seem to have got themselves willingly into trouble.

I was a good friend of a late Swedish consul in Chiang Mai. When he stopped after 8 years
he told me "My dear Limbo, I would love to write a book about the stupidity of the people coming
here for help, but I have to wait ten years before I am allowed to publish anything about that".
Sorry that he didn't live as long as that ...

Just go to the tourist police Brianmarinus and explain the situation. Then the machine will
start rolling.

Limbo  

PS: In no way I want to state here that Scandinavians would be more stupid than the average
contributors to this honorable forum. I hold them in high esteem, as I consider myself
to be half-scandinavian as well, 555! But blindly accusing one's own embassy, then please come
with some substantial proof.

[brianmarinus]

Hello!
Then we finaly get hes passport stamp and this ok now.
I must say that I am a litle surpriced by your reply,Limbo-just to be sure,I just check my topic and as fare as I can see-all I write was,that the Ambasy and Danish goverment not will pay fore him-nothing to complain about.thats just how it is,no more into that-so I dont know why you acuse me fore doing alot of thing very wrong in here.?
About the house buying and Sinthanee-if you follow the story,then you wood have noticed that I gave alot of credit to Sinthanee in the end of story-and even write on the Sinthanee home page a note about how helpfull and so on,the people in the office have been to us-and about the deposit-why it was so big-I realy dont know-thats just how it is and how the Sinthanee company wont it to be-so I must say,that if you wont to know why,you have to ask,at the Sinthanee office why,becourse I cant tell you.
So now I realy hope that you stop putting all thise things in my shooes-I did not complain enything about the Danish Ambasy-please go back and have a good look fore your self,then you will see I am right.
But anyway-you also start your reply whit some thing like this-the good samaritans-what do you mean by that??? I have not ask you or enybody in here fore mony-no way-so please,stop this.!!!
Onother storie about my freind-he has an infection in hes loungs,and he has loung cancer and he has COPD-and I know-it can be controlled-you are right-the thing is that he is in bad condition now and have no power left-can hardly go to the toilet and back to hes bed alone,after what the nurce sayd in hospital,so she dont think that he can fly alone.
Tomorrow they will do a litle operation on him to take some test of this cancer-so how fare it is and so.I dont know-nobody does,yet.
Langsuan man put a reply and I can only agree whit you-there is just this,that he has to pay hes bills and until now he pay 27000 baht in Owerbrooke hospital fore 3 days-and the bill ind this hospital is now allready up to around 40.000 baht-so as you can see-he just cant have eny mony back now-we are not all so rich as som one in here-sorry about that.!
Brett Maverick-you say I can pay a ticket fore him-and I wood fore sure-if I only had the mony-but I dont-so thats why.
Trickcyclist,you think I can start a collection fore him back in denmark-right-and I have started such one to help him.
I just wont to say one more thing in here-remember this-I have never asked you for eny mony-just ask fore an advice since this is so difficult fore me and my woman and allmost fore my freind and we diddent know what to do-we just asked fore an advice-no more then less-but I say thank you fore your understanding atitude and so.I prommissed you,that I will never border you whit eny questions again-sorry I did.
Brian
Have a nice day out there.

[NADTATIDA1]

Limbo, on 2010-04-08 14:09:17, said:

metisdead, on 2010-04-08 10:10:01, said:

Langsuan Man, on 2010-04-08 10:00:02, said:

Every time I read a thread like this I can't help be reminded that there is a reason that Thai Immigration requires 800,000 / 400,000 THB, or 65,000 THB per month income for extending your visa

So you will have the money to go home if it becomes necessary

Good point!

If Brianmarinus wouldn't be Danish, some might think he would be trollish.
But trolls are invented in Sweden, geographically a little bit more to the north.

After your house buying problems that after 31 postings finally weren't problems at all,
you now present us with the next drama.

Can you at least give some more specified information to us, supposed Good Samaritans?

COPD is a condition that nowadays can be controlled rather well by medication (different kinds of
bronchodillators etc.). If you mean pneumonia by lumonia, then your friend would have been
treated to antibiotics long time ago. Pneumonia is an illness that, if discovered in time, can
be cured without too many complications.
Lung cancer is of course another thing. If your friends needs an operation for this and he is the kind
of person that managed to get a visum (what visum?) without heading the financial requirements that
the Royal Thai Immigration Police presents to us, then it is simply better going back to Denmark and
enjoy the benefits of its excellent healthcare. The Danish taxpayer will cover his costs.

Concerning your house buying problems you were suggesting for a long while that Sinthanee, one of
the most well respected and trusted real estate companies in town, would possible take away a more
than 400.000 deposito from you.
Questions why this deposito was this unusual high, you never answered.

Now you are suggesting that the Danish Embassy is the bogeyman.

For your information: Embassies are nowadays very reluctant to lent money to people who for
what reason so ever, manage to get into financial problems abroad. The simple reason is, that
people who get into financial troubles and are assisted, seldom pay back.

One of the well-respected members of this forum, who was in line for a semi-diplomatic position in
Thailand, told me that in his country only 2 percent of the people who borrowed from their Royal
Embassy seemed to be inclined to pay back. 2 Percent, sad but true. The other 98 percent
probably thought 'thank you and I hope you are two dogs because then you can play with yourself".

So the people who need their embassies assistance prove themselves to be bad creditors.

So Brianmarinus, please do not to accuse your embassy of not be willing to help Danish
people in Thailand, even those who caused their problems by themselves.
Don't put the Danish Embassy there where you put Sinthanee Real Estate before!

They even help people who seem to have got themselves willingly into trouble.

I was a good friend of a late Swedish consul in Chiang Mai. When he stopped after 8 years
he told me "My dear Limbo, I would love to write a book about the stupidity of the people coming
here for help, but I have to wait ten years before I am allowed to publish anything about that".
Sorry that he didn't live as long as that ...

Just go to the tourist police Brianmarinus and explain the situation. Then the machine will
start rolling.

Limbo

PS: In no way I want to state here that Scandinavians would be more stupid than the average
contributors to this honorable forum. I hold them in high esteem, as I consider myself
to be half-scandinavian as well, 555! But blindly accusing one's own embassy, then please come
with some substantial proof.

Limbo i think your attitude towards the Op is way off the mark,he is trying to help some chap out who is in hospital and all you can do is talk about your embassy friends in high places,who gives a shit what your spin on the matter is,get over it he has asked some genuine questions about what he has to do to help his friend and also innitiated a collection to get him home,i say good on him there should be more people in this world that care and not just spout shit based on there own ideas of what and why.....get a life limbo like this man is trying too!

[mumbojumbo]

Brian,

Like George W. said  "You can fool me once, shame on you, but.....................................................................Ya aint going to fool me again

[NADTATIDA1]

mumbo jumbo ..would you care to elaborate?

you being up in CR also!

[sceadugenga]

It's the air pollution, we're ok ten months of the year.

[harrry]

Dr Limbo I think you may be overestimating the control that drugs can exert on COPD.  Whilst I agree,  as someone who has suffered from COPD for some years and have had surgery to alleviate the symptoms, that COPD is better controlled than now the fact remains that hospital admissions are needed and can require very very intensive treatment for periods of several days or weeks.  The atmosphere in CR lately has without doubt been unhelpful too.  Of course as you have extensive medical knowledge of this condition maybe you can explain more why it is so trivial for him.

Edited by harrry, 2010-04-08 19:52:11.

[Paul888]

I am obviously not as good at reading between the lines as you are Limbo because all I see in this thread is brian the OP asking for some opinions on how he can get his sick friend home when his EMbassy won't help.

I do not see the "embassy bashing" in the same way in his other thread I didn't see his "Sinthanee bashing".

What I saw is an older guy whose native language is not English trying to get advice to resolve situations that he didn't understand or couldn't resolve on his own.

You are indeed fortunate to be so superior to the rest of us although I would have thought by now a Platinum member would understand that on forums people ask questions and others give answers that help them.

I don't see your tirade against him personally helping much do you? Give the guy a break, and use your vast
knowledge to help people not put them down. You will feel better.

[Limbo]

mumbojumbo, on 2010-04-08 19:00:35, said:

Brian,

Like George W. said  "You can fool me once, shame on you, but.....................................................................Ya aint going to fool me again

Thanks mumbo jumbo!

And to those who might have problems similar the ones Brian is describing:
if you are a Scandinavian you are in nine out of ten cases insured to the extent
that also the SOS-service, repatriation, is included. In many cases a Scandinavian
doctor, most often a Swede, will come and pick you up.

Limbo  

[brianmarinus]

Hi!
He has no insurrance-and I agree-thats fulish and stupid-but thats how it is whit him-but I can not think about it this way-and just left him alone-I think I will remember this lection and use it to warn other people to go here or enywhere whitout a insurrance-it is to stupid-but even you are stupid,I think no one have to be left to die alone in a foreign country-
I have talk to his son in Denmark fore 2 min. ago and they try to collect the mony,so one of them can came out here to take him home.
End of story from me.
Thanks fore your support and understanding-enyway the most of you in here are good guys,I think...thank you!!!
Brian