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Thai Red Shirts Welcomed Home From Deadly Rallies
Started by webfact, 2010-05-21 14:54
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duangdao
Newbie Posted 2010-05-21 17:26:50
As someone now who watches the situation from abroad,why are there so many people on this site that can't remember that the people voted for Thai rak Thai party and it was so called stable for many years, what would have happened if the Military had null and voided the election in America or Britain?As I have pointed out on this site before, some people win the election and some people lose,That is what is called democracy,I voted conservative in the elections when Labour were in,but I accepted that that was the people's choice.Most people would agree that that is the way of the world now?? Why doesn't Thailand?When the next one comes is it all going to be the same again?.
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way2muchcoffee
Platinum Member Posted 2010-05-21 17:27:29
Until now the Military have not been able captured any of these black clad terrorists. I also haven't seen any pictures of dead protesters with guns. We don't know that the military has not captured black clad terrorists. There are over 100 people in custody at the moment. Would you expect to see pictures of dead protesters with guns? Any guns carried by injured or killed protesters would have been picked up immediately by other protesters. #53
Arjay
Senior Member Posted 2010-05-21 17:27:31
Welcome home to the terrorists and arsonists. They claimed they wanted early elections. They won them, then threw it away. Then they burned Bangkok. Good job reds! Nothing like tarring them all with the same brush for the actions of a sad misguided few who hopefully will pay for their dreadful actions. Nevertheless,looks like they are going to get those elections in the not too distant future. #54
hammered
Titanium Member Posted 2010-05-21 17:28:36
Until now the Military have not been able captured any of these black clad terrorists. I also haven't seen any pictures of dead protesters with guns. So you didnt see the black shirt dead in lumpini park early in the operation or the black shirt with taharn prahn insignia with a stomach wound a week or so ago on a stretcher. Because the unit is a rogue military one the military may be more interested in brininging them back on board than driving them further away from the majority of the military. Settling things down behind closed doors is going to take precedence over anything else whether you or I like it or not and the military wont care what the government think either Who knows who they caught. They wont be telling the likes of you or I. Plenty of weapons and discarded black clothing have been found and 113 people have been denied bail in court today. Who knows what they are accused of or who they are. It may or may not come out with time but for now mopping up is still going on so dont expect too much There are also arrests going on around the country for local arson attacks as it seems red groups and fired up teenagers werent so carful about hiding identity and those caught quickly named others People will believe what they want to but few will believe that the reds werent violent #55
nickupton
Senior Member Posted 2010-05-21 17:34:21
Until now the Military have not been able captured any of these black clad terrorists. I also haven't seen any pictures of dead protesters with guns. So you didnt see the black shirt dead in lumpini park early in the operation or the black shirt with taharn prahn insignia with a stomach wound a week or so ago on a stretcher. Because the unit is a rogue military one the military may be more interested in brininging them back on board than driving them further away from the majority of the military. Settling things down behind closed doors is going to take precedence over anything else whether you or I like it or not and the military wont care what the government think either Who knows who they caught. They wont be telling the likes of you or I. Plenty of weapons and discarded black clothing have been found and 113 people have been denied bail in court today. Who knows what they are accused of or who they are. It may or may not come out with time but for now mopping up is still going on so dont expect too much There are also arrests going on around the country for local arson attacks as it seems red groups and fired up teenagers werent so carful about hiding identity and those caught quickly named others People will believe what they want to but few will believe that the reds werent violent Only an idiot who had spent the last few months cut off from the outside world, who had not watched nor read any independent source of media, or who had been brainwashed would believe that the reds were not violent. #56
Thaising
Super Member Posted 2010-05-21 17:36:42
The yellows seize the airport which is a state property and by law, is a terrorism act. Most countries call them militants. Only Thailand seemed proud to declare them terrorist when most countries will not. Let weighs the damages bring done between yellows and reds. Yellows - The costs of closing down the airport that create inconvenience for foreign guests. Reds - The costs of burning down dozens of building and looting ATM machine, not to mentions shutting down pattaya Asean meeting last year and sending foreign VIP fleeing. #57
wlcart
Senior Member Posted 2010-05-21 17:39:34
For those of you who have wife/girlfriend who was part of the protesters, I would be interested to know what you would be saying when they get back. Say nothing - don't want to provoke them? Cheer them up? Console them? How about dump them? #58
cougar52
Senior Member Posted 2010-05-21 17:39:35
When PM dissolved the house before, this never happened ! Blaim him for all the unnecessary killings. So, what you are saying is, if 1,000; 10,000; 50,000; even 100,000 Red, Yellow, Blue, Green no matter what color do not agree with the Government then should always step down and have new elections. Why even have elections, just have a revolving Prime Minister, just change him ever year. What a wonderful Democracy, nothing will ever be done to move forward. #59
tartempion
Ugly Fat Farang Posted 2010-05-21 17:42:31
hopefully the red shirt "protesters" will tell their stories and quite possibly the truth will come out. The people don't have a clue as to what really happened, they don't seem to remember the soldiers just pushing back and using unbelievable restraint. The army did not just attack the people, and the people found shot in the temple were probably dragged there to safety. I find it very hard to believe that any soldier would shoot into a temple. Drag someone into a temple for safety sounds more feasible. Let the truth be told, flood the tv stations with the truth, start with education, and start with the truth. I've been reading the tweets @taksinlive, and they are not very supportive of him at all. Most are calling him a white shark and for his death. And the beat goes on... You should read witness testimony from the nurse who got a colleague nurse shot next to her when the shooting occurred, still unclear whether this were sniper shootings (whatever fraction) or army shootings. No dragging to the temple according witnesses Mrs Porntip, director of forensics came to evaluate the deaths, waiting for her report. #60
whybother
Gold Member Posted 2010-05-21 17:44:15
As someone now who watches the situation from abroad,why are there so many people on this site that can't remember that the people voted for Thai rak Thai party and it was so called stable for many years, what would have happened if the Military had null and voided the election in America or Britain?As I have pointed out on this site before, some people win the election and some people lose,That is what is called democracy,I voted conservative in the elections when Labour were in,but I accepted that that was the people's choice.Most people would agree that that is the way of the world now?? Why doesn't Thailand?When the next one comes is it all going to be the same again?. The people did vote for TRT, but Thaksin decided to call a new election only 12 months after the 2005 win. There was no result because there were too many electorates where TRT didn't get enough votes against NO opposition. So there was no "null and voiding" any election by the military. #61
whybother
Gold Member Posted 2010-05-21 17:46:58
hopefully the red shirt "protesters" will tell their stories and quite possibly the truth will come out. The people don't have a clue as to what really happened, they don't seem to remember the soldiers just pushing back and using unbelievable restraint. The army did not just attack the people, and the people found shot in the temple were probably dragged there to safety. I find it very hard to believe that any soldier would shoot into a temple. Drag someone into a temple for safety sounds more feasible. Let the truth be told, flood the tv stations with the truth, start with education, and start with the truth. I've been reading the tweets @taksinlive, and they are not very supportive of him at all. Most are calling him a white shark and for his death. And the beat goes on... You should read witness testimony from the nurse who got a colleague nurse shot next to her when the shooting occurred, still unclear whether this were sniper shootings (whatever fraction) or army shootings. No dragging to the temple according witnesses Mrs Porntip, director of forensics came to evaluate the deaths, waiting for her report. #62
toenail
Senior Member Posted 2010-05-21 17:48:20
These are very simple minded people. All countries have them- not just Thailand. The uneducated, rural poor will be fed (again) false stories and propaganda and once again will be used by the "Red thugs". (Not being sarcastic here... Maybe the governement should buy them all refrigerators/ AC's or better yet, a small tractor something materialistic they can see... In the long run, it would be cheaper than the millions of dollars lost from their next rebellion or terrorist acts. )
#63
DrThomas
Member Posted 2010-05-21 17:52:38
When PM dissolved the house before, this never happened ! Blaim him for all the unnecessary killings. Hear Hear! You probably 'hear, heared' the burning of Bangkok as well. It seems you have misunderstood the sentiment of the post. If Abhisit had called elections a long time ago there would have been no violent protest. There was a prospect for a peaceful way out of this. That is what I say Hear Hear to. I was very upset to see the events of recent days. #64
debcmai
Advanced Member Posted 2010-05-21 17:52:47
I like this sentence: Quote "I am sad that the government can order the shooting of civilians. But at the same time, the people and the world now know what kind of cruel government is in power in Thailand," said 35-year-old Noi Jupp. With all the info you could read or watch it must be clear that the troops behaved with remarkable restrain. Of course there are deaths (on both sides), but far less than any really 'cruel' government would manage to rake up. The myth of 'bare-handed, innocent, lovable protesters' will not die in Isan for a long time. Propaganda of UDD leaders on PTV have done their damage. From a taxpayer who generously payed bus-tickets to get these misguided people safely home. The minute they defied the order to disperse (IE: broke the law) they stopped being civilians an became criminals. I am not even going to start in about when they burned, blew up and otherwise terrorized the city and country (although the majority of that happened after the crackdown, but still. Refusal to disperse does NOT make one a terrorist. burning buildings, which happened after the crackdown...is....but simply refusing to dispurse does not. It is called protest. Free society. Understand? #65
RedRoadRunner
Member Posted 2010-05-21 17:53:01
When PM dissolved the house before, this never happened ! Blaim him for all the unnecessary killings. ...yes...sure!!!!...and give in to these radical corrupted bastards....Great Idea !!! #66
RedRoadRunner
Member Posted 2010-05-21 17:55:48
For those of you who have wife/girlfriend who was part of the protesters, I would be interested to know what you would be saying when they get back. Say nothing - don't want to provoke them? Cheer them up? Console them? How about dump them? MY wife of 18 years would be out of the door.....no mercy !!! #67
wlcart
Senior Member Posted 2010-05-21 17:56:05
When PM dissolved the house before, this never happened ! Blaim him for all the unnecessary killings. So, what you are saying is, if 1,000; 10,000; 50,000; even 100,000 Red, Yellow, Blue, Green no matter what color do not agree with the Government then should always step down and have new elections. Why even have elections, just have a revolving Prime Minister, just change him ever year. What a wonderful Democracy, nothing will ever be done to move forward. such an interesting dilemma because both points are absolutely true. One more failed government in Thailand would not have been that significant given the political history here, but giving in would have been incredibly undemocratic, although it is not like democracy has thrived here anyway. Regardless, the Reds turn out to be the villains because they attacked innocent people. The reds made a choice to be part of this, they could have walked away, every last one of them could have left at anytime. The people who did nothing but live near by or have a business in the path of the red's destruction suffered as victims not of their own doing. All we hear about is rich vs. poor, but what about the middle class who are not elite but have work hard and sacrificed to gain a little something. It is completely evil and unfair that some of them lost everything they worked for. One of the saddest things I saw was a woman crying because she lost her little tiny clothe shop in the bottom of center one. She wasn't rich or elite, she wasn't selling Rolex or gold, she was just an honest woman trying to make her way in life and some violent red destroyed her. Terrible and I think pretty unforgivable. #68
jayinoz
Senior Member Posted 2010-05-21 17:57:07
>>Tears rolled down the faces of many in the Chiang Mai crowd as they hugged loved ones who had returned safely from weeks of demonstrations, but many expressed anger that troops had shot at protesters in their crackdown.
"I am sad that the government can order the shooting of civilians. But at the same time, the people and the world now know what kind of cruel government is in power in Thailand," said 35-year-old Noi Jupp. "My heart is with the Red Shirt supporters. They are poor people. What we are fighting for is justice. This is why my heart is with them," she added.<< Yes poor people who were paid by a cruel deceptive Dictator named Taksin- you can only sympathize with these suposed poor people for so long. They brought the country to the brink of a civil war, which has been Taksin's intention since being asked to step down in 2006... This may keep popping up for a decade or 2 to come, until Taksin is done and dusted. This is a temporary retreat- they will say they won the battle this time- not the war. Don't hold your breath for long term peace- this country is fractured beyond believe now- to blame is Taksin's corruption money that he paid to Red leaders. There is no doubt. Keep the Terrrorism charges...same fate beholds him as Saddam Assan in the future. The sooner the better IMO. Imagine if Sadam was stopped in the early 90s, Taksin is like Sadam in the early 90s. Or wishes to be........... Stop him now... Convict him- try him and give him the punishment he deserves and his family and Red leaders. There supporters are like Hilter supporters- it is difficult to condemn the people whom have been tricked by superior minds and money... 
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rubl
The wondering type Posted 2010-05-21 17:57:17
As someone now who watches the situation from abroad,why are there so many people on this site that can't remember that the people voted for Thai rak Thai party and it was so called stable for many years, what would have happened if the Military had null and voided the election in America or Britain?As I have pointed out on this site before, some people win the election and some people lose,That is what is called democracy,I voted conservative in the elections when Labour were in,but I accepted that that was the people's choice.Most people would agree that that is the way of the world now?? Why doesn't Thailand?When the next one comes is it all going to be the same again?. Stability had it costs. 2500+ drugwar deads, 100's down south (Ban Khru, TakBai), muzzling of the press, corruption on large scale by TRT elite and K. Thaksin himself. Rural population heard, but not involved. Hand-outs, no structural, lasting improvements, etc. K. Thaksin was shopping in Paris while his miguided supporters were dying for him. What is needed now, is reconciliation. Start talking, discussing, etc. NOW is the time. #70
wlcart
Senior Member Posted 2010-05-21 17:59:57
These are very simple minded people. All countries have them- not just Thailand. The uneducated, rural poor will be fed (again) false stories and propaganda and once again will be used by the "Red thugs". (Not being sarcastic here... Maybe the governement should buy them all refrigerators/ AC's or better yet, a small tractor something materialistic they can see... In the long run, it would be cheaper than the millions of dollars lost from their next rebellion or terrorist acts. ) I am against the reds and what they did, but I think generalizing rural poor may not be so fair. As far as my life experience, I have also met plenty of educated city folk who buy into false stories and propaganda themselves. We all need to take stock of ourselves that way. #71
rubl
The wondering type Posted 2010-05-21 18:01:58
When PM dissolved the house before, this never happened ! Blaim him for all the unnecessary killings. Next time some-one mugs you, and you go report to the police, their valid answer will be "why were you there in the first place?" #72
haybilly
Senior Member Posted 2010-05-21 18:11:23
wonder if we are going to satrt seeing people "dissappearing" You mean same as happened when their idol, Mr. Thaksin, was in power? #73
Throatwobbler
Senior Member Posted 2010-05-21 18:14:45
"100 strong crowd" Wow ... fantastic support. As a person they have lost their face and as a Thai they have lost their citizenship If they could get together under some new leaders who were fighting for the same thing as the people and were willing to talk and negotiate, not just demand, then that might be different. #74
Throatwobbler
Senior Member Posted 2010-05-21 18:18:17
As someone now who watches the situation from abroad,why are there so many people on this site that can't remember that the people voted for Thai rak Thai party and it was so called stable for many years, what would have happened if the Military had null and voided the election in America or Britain?As I have pointed out on this site before, some people win the election and some people lose,That is what is called democracy,I voted conservative in the elections when Labour were in,but I accepted that that was the people's choice.Most people would agree that that is the way of the world now?? Why doesn't Thailand?When the next one comes is it all going to be the same again?. This might have something to do with it. Massive election fraud and vote buying, hence their dissolution. #75
Throatwobbler
Senior Member Posted 2010-05-21 18:22:39
When PM dissolved the house before, this never happened ! Blaim him for all the unnecessary killings. Hear Hear! You probably 'hear, heared' the burning of Bangkok as well. It seems you have misunderstood the sentiment of the post. If Abhisit had called elections a long time ago there would have been no violent protest. There was a prospect for a peaceful way out of this. That is what I say Hear Hear to. I was very upset to see the events of recent days. Adhisit offered an early dissolution and elections but this was not good enough for the reds. For me the blame lies with the reds. |
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