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[mek]

Hi there!

Since I am thinking of changing my 8 year old Honda Crv. to a new Mitsubishi pajero sport I was wondering if anybody in the forum could tell me the fuel consumption of the 2.5l 2wd vs. the 3.2l 4wd. Assuming city driving with only 2wd connected.

Mek

[MoonRiverOasis]

These numbers were derived from a 94km long highway route, sitting on a  constant 110km/hr.

Pajero Sport 3.2 4AT 4x4: 11.61 km/l
Pajero  Sport 2.5 4AT 4x2: 12.68 km/l

City driving will be ~20% less.

[mek]

MoonRiverOasis, on 2010-06-15 17:23:11, said:

These numbers were derived from a 94km long highway route, sitting on a  constant 110km/hr.

Pajero Sport 3.2 4AT 4x4: 11.61 km/l
Pajero  Sport 2.5 4AT 4x2: 12.68 km/l

City driving will be ~20% less.

Thanks for quick reply!

What are you driving yourself and what  is your experience 2.5l vs. 3.2l just out of curiosity. Even though I know that I will rarely if ever need the 4wd I still fell tempted by the lager engine.

[MoonRiverOasis]

My wife drives a Pajero Sport 2.5L GT - I do drive it once or twice a week though

If you think you'll be taking it off-road, the 3.2L 4x4 is a natural choice - otherwise it's really just up to you. The only reason I didn't by the 4x4 is because with my wife's seating position (i.e. as high as the chair will go and almost all the way forward) the 4x4 shift lever was either pressed hard-up against the driver's chair or the driver's leg, and it vibrates like crazy - if not for that I would've bought the 4x4 version just for the fact that I can

Performance-wise, a chipped 2.5L (11k Baht) handily outperforms a stock 3.2L. I haven't yet had a chance to go up against a chipped 3.2L though (Thaihog! )

Edited by MoonRiverOasis, 2010-06-15 17:48:44.

[hansnl]

Buy the 2.5, and remap the chip.
Expect around 20% more power and 20% more torque, without doing interesting things with the intercooler
Expect better acceleration and better consumption.

[MoonRiverOasis]

hansnl, on 2010-06-15 17:50:14, said:

Buy the 2.5, and remap the chip.
Expect around 20% more power and 20% more torque, without doing interesting things with the intercooler
Expect better acceleration and better consumption.

Even more in fact While I haven't dyno'd mine, with a chip & a dump pipe it's doing >200HP and 450Nm (based on power:weight + performance calcs before and after). With the chip only (but with tweaked settings) it was doing slightly under 200HP.

[CDNinKS]

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These numbers were derived from a 94km long highway route, sitting on a constant 110km/hr.

Pajero Sport 3.2 4AT 4x4: 11.61 km/l
Pajero Sport 2.5 4AT 4x2: 12.68 km/l

City driving will be ~20% less.

I can't seem to be able to get better than 10km/ltr on my (wifes) PS 2.5AT 4x2. I have done a few very long trips (Songkhla-Hua Hin) although to be honest usually over 110 km/hr whenever the road allowed. That is un-chipped, but as I have purchased a chip for it, I'm curious to see how it affects the consumption.

I agree with MRO that city driving can be 20% less, although my city "driving" tends to include a lot of idling while I wait in the car for the missus  

[djlest]

Greetings - Just at The Mitzi Sales showroom today and very interested in the 2.5 GT - especially after reading your chipping posts

Please can you share more about the chip process?
what are the best garages around Bangkok for chips and dyno?
where did you buy your chips and prices etc?
Any tests on fuel consumption, are they really more economical given the increase in torque and HP?

This thread is turning out to be very interesting indeed.

[MoonRiverOasis]

djlest, on 2012-01-29 11:04:22, said:

Greetings - Just at The Mitzi Sales showroom today and very interested in the 2.5 GT - especially after reading your chipping posts

Please can you share more about the chip process?
what are the best garages around Bangkok for chips and dyno?
where did you buy your chips and prices etc?
Any tests on fuel consumption, are they really more economical given the increase in torque and HP?

This thread is turning out to be very interesting indeed.

Well, first off, you're looking at a newer model than what was discussed in this thread (the Mitsu 2.5L engine was upgraded in January 2011). So you could expect ~230HP from adding a piggyback

Piggybacks cost 5000-15000 Baht, and in most cases are a simple plug-n-play that you can do yourself in a couple of minutes.

Search for the thread "Cheap Diesel Performance" for more info..

[Gers1873]

Based on my own experience the 2.5l 2wd provides plenty of power straight ;out of the box'.  Fuel ecconomy is superb....  do I have numbers to back up my statement - nope - just thousands of KM of hoghway and town driving.

I dont find it the most comfortable ride ever --- its still a truck --- but in terms of HP and fuel economy this is an excellent choice.

[Jebhead]

MoonRiverOasis, on 2012-01-29 11:45:14, said:

djlest, on 2012-01-29 11:04:22, said:

Greetings - Just at The Mitzi Sales showroom today and very interested in the 2.5 GT - especially after reading your chipping posts

Please can you share more about the chip process?
what are the best garages around Bangkok for chips and dyno?
where did you buy your chips and prices etc?
Any tests on fuel consumption, are they really more economical given the increase in torque and HP?

This thread is turning out to be very interesting indeed.

Well, first off, you're looking at a newer model than what was discussed in this thread (the Mitsu 2.5L engine was upgraded in January 2011). So you could expect ~230HP from adding a piggyback

Piggybacks cost 5000-15000 Baht, and in most cases are a simple plug-n-play that you can do yourself in a couple of minutes.

Search for the thread "Cheap Diesel Performance" for more info..

Do i understand this correct, putting in a chip or re-mapping will improve fuel consumption? know anywhere it can be done in Pattaya / Chonburi / Rayong or BKK only?

Thanks
JH

[djlest]

Hi Moonriver
Thanks for the reply
Can you recommend a good source for the latest chips that will be suitable to piggy back the new 2011 engine 2.5 VG Turbo
I think ours arrives in a few weeks and id like to get ready

p.s. is it advisable to chip a brand new model or should one wear it in first?

[culicine]

djlest, on 2012-01-29 18:51:14, said:

Hi Moonriver
Thanks for the reply
Can you recommend a good source for the latest chips that will be suitable to piggy back the new 2011 engine 2.5 VG Turbo
I think ours arrives in a few weeks and id like to get ready

p.s. is it advisable to chip a brand new model or should one wear it in first?

Where are you now? Look at racechip.de. If you are in the UK or Europe you could get one delivered to your house overseas and bring it in. It would be cheaper that way, rather than having one sent to BKK.

[DJH77]

MoonRiverOasis, on 2010-06-15 17:23:11, said:

These numbers were derived from a 94km long highway route, sitting on a  constant 110km/hr.

Pajero Sport 3.2 4AT 4x4: 11.61 km/l
Pajero  Sport 2.5 4AT 4x2: 12.68 km/l

City driving will be ~20% less.

i have a 3.2lt which is unmodified except for the Muffler and Twin Exhausts and the fuel consumpion is around 10kl/lt on highway driving sitting on 120 to 130kl/hr and useing Shell V-power Diesel which i think increases the kl/lt slightly, but sitting on 100kl/hr you may get close to MRO figures. There are 2 points to consider when choosing between the 2.5 and 3.2. (1) The engine of the 3.2 is much Quieter than the 2.5, a fact which even my Thai Service Manager agreed with me on which surprised me, but i Do Not have the Vibrating 4x4 shift lever that MRO refers to. (2) As you would be buying 2nd hand to get a 3.2 you should Test Drive it and vary the speed between 80 & 125kl/hr and listen for a DIFFERENTIAL WHINE which may come in at say 80 and dissapear at say 87 or start at 110 and dissapear at 118. It's a strange fault and varies from Diff to Diff. Mitsubishi tried 4 different Differentials in my car even bringing 1 from Japan before the problem was solved to my satisfaction. The car you purchase will probably still have Warranty so you could contact Mitsubishi if you found a 2nd hand car with this problem. Most drivers don't even hear the Whine in the first place though. Also the REsale value from what i see is much better for the 4x4, 3.2lt probably because they never sold anywhere near the amount of the 2.5 model. Happy Hunting.

[transam]

DJH77, on 2012-01-30 08:43:36, said:

MoonRiverOasis, on 2010-06-15 17:23:11, said:

These numbers were derived from a 94km long highway route, sitting on a  constant 110km/hr.

Pajero Sport 3.2 4AT 4x4: 11.61 km/l
Pajero  Sport 2.5 4AT 4x2: 12.68 km/l

City driving will be ~20% less.

i have a 3.2lt which is unmodified except for the Muffler and Twin Exhausts and the fuel consumpion is around 10kl/lt on highway driving sitting on 120 to 130kl/hr and useing Shell V-power Diesel which i think increases the kl/lt slightly, but sitting on 100kl/hr you may get close to MRO figures. There are 2 points to consider when choosing between the 2.5 and 3.2. (1) The engine of the 3.2 is much Quieter than the 2.5, a fact which even my Thai Service Manager agreed with me on which surprised me, but i Do Not have the Vibrating 4x4 shift lever that MRO refers to. (2) As you would be buying 2nd hand to get a 3.2 you should Test Drive it and vary the speed between 80 & 125kl/hr and listen for a DIFFERENTIAL WHINE which may come in at say 80 and dissapear at say 87 or start at 110 and dissapear at 118. It's a strange fault and varies from Diff to Diff. Mitsubishi tried 4 different Differentials in my car even bringing 1 from Japan before the problem was solved to my satisfaction. The car you purchase will probably still have Warranty so you could contact Mitsubishi if you found a 2nd hand car with this problem. Most drivers don't even hear the Whine in the first place though. Also the REsale value from what i see is much better for the 4x4, 3.2lt probably because they never sold anywhere near the amount of the 2.5 model. Happy Hunting.

I know but l forgot about your diff whine. Have they cured the noise totally ?.

As you know meshing the crown wheel and pinion gears is a specialist job, if meshed in slightly the wrong place, noise. BUT, l wonder if the Mitsu diff comes as an assembly like the Ford 9 inch.

[SoCalChris]

MoonRiverOasis, on 2010-06-15 17:53:57, said:

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Even more in fact While I haven't dyno'd mine, with a chip & a dump pipe it's doing >200HP and 450Nm (based on power:weight + performance calcs before and after). With the chip only (but with tweaked settings) it was doing slightly under 200HP.

Anybody have 0-100kph times for your chipped/box and modded diesel trucks?  I'm really looking for hands on experience, not chip/box manufacturer websites as those tend to be a bit optimistic.  If you could mention your modifications as well, that would be great.  I want to get some ideas for a truck purchase down the road.

It's no secret the faster trucks (all else being equal) in the US were the automatics.  Rowing through the gears does slow things down a bit, especially from a dead start by coming off of boost.  However, with the right clutch, a manual tranny could take bigger power no problem.  I had a slightly modded 2003 Dodge 4x4 2500 auto (5.9L Cummins) that could do a 6sec 0-60mph brake torqued, turbo spooled and in 4WD.  I really miss this truck and have my eyes set on the 3.2L Ford 4WD auto because of this.  Not sure if I want to go brand new for this project though.....

[MoonRiverOasis]

Jebhead, on 2012-01-29 14:48:34, said:

Do i understand this correct, putting in a chip or re-mapping will improve fuel consumption? know anywhere it can be done in Pattaya / Chonburi / Rayong or BKK only?

Thanks
JH

Some say it does - in my experience FE didn't change much, but then again I'm the antithesis of an economy driver - so I guess you could use that to say that FE must be a little better overall

djlest, on 2012-01-29 18:51:14, said:

Hi Moonriver
Thanks for the reply
Can you recommend a good source for the latest chips that will be suitable to piggy back the new 2011 engine 2.5 VG Turbo
I think ours arrives in a few weeks and id like to get ready

p.s. is it advisable to chip a brand new model or should one wear it in first?

Try the forums at www.pajerosportsociety.com - lost of vendors selling PJS-specific tuning options there, and good prices.

Edit: I had every intention of waiting for the PJS to cover at least 3000KM before chipping, but ended up doing it after it's first oil change - no ill effects at all. I still see the new owner from time to time, and they say it's running great and no issues at all with 80,000KM+ on the clock now.

SoCalChris, on 2012-01-30 15:07:00, said:

Anybody have 0-100kph times for your chipped/box and modded diesel trucks?  I'm really looking for hands on experience, not chip/box manufacturer websites as those tend to be a bit optimistic.  If you could mention your modifications as well, that would be great.  I want to get some ideas for a truck purchase down the road.

If you're used to 6 seconds 0-100, you might be a little dissapointed I'm afraid - to get to those times in a diesel pickup you're going to be using turbos about the size of a Honda Brio, so useless for road use..

My wife's old PJS (which is ~400KG heavier than it's pickup equiv.) with Racechip alone (140HP stock,189HP tuned) managed mid 10's 0-100km/hr (down from low 15's). I later added a dump pipe and K&N which made it noticeably more responsive (and louder) but didn't do any timed runs with that config I'm afraid. My best guess is it got somewhere into the mid-high 9s range.

Newer model PJS's with a piggyback would walk all over it now, with their extra 38HP and 5AT (178HP stock).

Some info on that old PJS in this thread: http://www.thaivisa....4-mile-results/

Edited by MoonRiverOasis, 2012-01-30 18:11:38.

[djlest]

Hi Moonriver - thanks for the reply and to Culicine too

Well i have just purchased a brand new 2.5 Pajero sport 2wd 2012
and im itching to get a chip for it... or a pggyback...
I have not found much info on the later model around this forum yet,
I may have to make a new post for the results on the new pajero sport remapped speed results.

I have read all the threads and see that the racechip from germany had some positive and negative reviews, but moonriver pretty much started the ball rolling there.

one concern i have is being very little difference between 25% and the 30% versions, albeit the price.
But after results do you you still feel this is true moonriver, what was your conculsion before the dump pipe?

@ Moonriver - i know you upgraded 25% - 30% racechip, are there any additional controls on the more expensive version?

If you had the latest Pajero what chip would you go for, or piggy back

I resepct your opinions as i know you have a lot of handson experience from racechip.

p.s. this is actually the wifes pajero and she has a tendancy to put her makeup on whilst driving at high speeds. with that in mind something easy to plug and unplug at certain times of the month may be beneficial.

[MoonRiverOasis]

djlest, on 2012-02-11 12:52:05, said:

Hi Moonriver - thanks for the reply and to Culicine too

Well i have just purchased a brand new 2.5 Pajero sport 2wd 2012
and im itching to get a chip for it... or a pggyback...
I have not found much info on the later model around this forum yet,
I may have to make a new post for the results on the new pajero sport remapped speed results.

I have read all the threads and see that the racechip from germany had some positive and negative reviews, but moonriver pretty much started the ball rolling there.

one concern i have is being very little difference between 25% and the 30% versions, albeit the price.
But after results do you you still feel this is true moonriver, what was your conculsion before the dump pipe?

@ Moonriver - i know you upgraded 25% - 30% racechip, are there any additional controls on the more expensive version?

If you had the latest Pajero what chip would you go for, or piggy back

I resepct your opinions as i know you have a lot of handson experience from racechip.

p.s. this is actually the wifes pajero and she has a tendancy to put her makeup on whilst driving at high speeds. with that in mind something easy to plug and unplug at certain times of the month may be beneficial.

Well, I'm never one to buy the cut-down version when a more sophisticated version is available, so perhaps I'm the wrong person to ask, hehe - I can't stand the thought that I missed out on a feature or performance for the sake of a few Baht

Maybe best to ask someone else?

Edited by MoonRiverOasis, 2012-02-12 17:49:05.