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[jayjay0]

wlcart, on 2010-07-25 13:21:04, said:

elevators are equipped with a mechanical spring brake independent of power.  The weight of the elevator against the cables that hold the elevator keep the brake in the off position.  if the cable breaks, the tension is relieved and the break snaps into the one position.  Unless the "unknown power failure" suspended the laws of physics, something else caused this.  

i have heard of accidents like this and they have always been from novices putting in their own elevators instead of having a professional modern lift installed.

No doubt about substandard installation and maintenance [Is there a Thai word for maintenance] But was the cable breaking what happened. I have often wondered if the cable broke and I fell would not the cable also come down on top of the car?

[neverdie]

I wonder if anyone inside bothered jumping just prior to the elevator impacted with the ground?   Thats what I would of done.

[Basil B]

jayjay0, on 2010-07-25 14:11:37, said:

imaneggspurt, on 2010-07-25 12:23:06, said:

Ive just re read it, 16 people ? overloaded for sure, but, still shouldnt have happened, that royal plaza is the oldest of the 3 and is/was a sh1thole, ill bet its more likely the lift collapsed,another reason to step up my fitness program, ill be taking the stairs from now on,

My hat is off to you 18 flights of stairs WOW

just wonder how may of the guests have already checked out?

[sangfroid]

jayjay0, on 2010-07-25 14:22:11, said:

wlcart, on 2010-07-25 13:21:04, said:

elevators are equipped with a mechanical spring brake independent of power.  The weight of the elevator against the cables that hold the elevator keep the brake in the off position.  if the cable breaks, the tension is relieved and the break snaps into the one position.  Unless the "unknown power failure" suspended the laws of physics, something else caused this.  

i have heard of accidents like this and they have always been from novices putting in their own elevators instead of having a professional modern lift installed.

No doubt about substandard installation and maintenance [Is there a Thai word for maintenance] But was the cable breaking what happened. I have often wondered if the cable broke and I fell would not the cable also come down on top of the car?

"Maintenance" in Thai is  bamrung raksaa  บำรุงรักษา

[jayjay0]

MJP, on 2010-07-25 13:36:26, said:

moetownblues, on 2010-07-25 12:45:34, said:

I thought 10 person was the maximum in a lift?

Have you seen the size of some of these Pattaya tourists? That lift could well have been carrying 4800lbs or 2177 kilos or 2.177 tonnes.


Here are the workings:

Arithmetic mean average weight of Pattaya tourist: 300 lbs

Number of Pattaya tourists in lift come Disneyland ride: 16

16# x 300lbs = 4800 lbs

1 kg = 2.20462248 lbs

4800/2.20 = 2177 kgs.

1 tonne = 1000 kgs.

2177/1000 = 2.177 tonnes.

Just as a matter of personal preferences I refuse to get on a elevator with 15 other people my size.

Also reading these posts can be upsetting I had no problem with it happening in third world countries but


Tywais
You ruined it with the post about America having so many problems. No wonder Dean Martin was afraid to take elevators. Oh well I fly and the odds of getting hurt on the elevator are probably worse.

[Tokay]

They probably saved 100 baht when they didn't replace a part that would have stopped the fall.

[agudbuk]

Perhapds lift or elevator is the wrong name for the appliance.

In accordance with what in the UK is known as the trades desciption act perhaps a new name should be devised?

[jayjay0]

sangfroid, on 2010-07-25 14:29:53, said:

jayjay0, on 2010-07-25 14:22:11, said:

wlcart, on 2010-07-25 13:21:04, said:

elevators are equipped with a mechanical spring brake independent of power.  The weight of the elevator against the cables that hold the elevator keep the brake in the off position.  if the cable breaks, the tension is relieved and the break snaps into the one position.  Unless the "unknown power failure" suspended the laws of physics, something else caused this.  

i have heard of accidents like this and they have always been from novices putting in their own elevators instead of having a professional modern lift installed.

No doubt about substandard installation and maintenance [Is there a Thai word for maintenance] But was the cable breaking what happened. I have often wondered if the cable broke and I fell would not the cable also come down on top of the car?

"Maintenance" in Thai is  bamrung raksaa  บำรุงรักษา

Thank you I will take extra efforts to learn that word. Here where I live we have a elevator that is out of order more than it is in order. I have had many friendly discussions with the manager about Maintenance. They seem to be trying to not only maintain but do the job rite. I will learn that word and by the time the elevator is fixed he will have corrected me enough times that I will have it. Every word is a battle for me. I have taken lessons twice and plan on taking one with a private tutor and learn to read it also. People tell me that if you can read it you will be able to pronounce it better. Of course it won't help my memory.

[sunnythai]

somtampet, on 2010-07-25 12:23:25, said:

16 in a lift???

That sounds too many for a standard lift,unless they were Koreans and very light and thin

Yes....if Korean they would pack it until no space was there......should see the subways around 7 am.........

[lovebkk]

somtampet, on 2010-07-25 12:23:25, said:

16 in a lift???

That sounds too many for a standard lift,unless they were Koreans and very light and thin

You must not have been in Korea often.

[cannonball]

Sparkles, on 2010-07-25 13:04:20, said:

moetownblues, on 2010-07-25 12:45:34, said:

I thought 10 person was the maximum in a lift?

Not when you can fit in 16 !

Haven't you ever heard of trying to put as many people in a car as possible?  circa 1960's and volkswagen  LOL

[pdrhan]

neverdie, on 2010-07-25 14:22:17, said:

I wonder if anyone inside bothered jumping just prior to the elevator impacted with the ground?   Thats what I would of done.

Yeah right...you would probably know ......and when you jumps , the lift cage smashes into the safetybumper and then due to the force moves upvards again , your head will probably be smashed hitting the cage roof....

[MJP]

jayjay0, on 2010-07-25 14:32:46, said:

MJP, on 2010-07-25 13:36:26, said:

moetownblues, on 2010-07-25 12:45:34, said:

I thought 10 person was the maximum in a lift?

Have you seen the size of some of these Pattaya tourists? That lift could well have been carrying 4800lbs or 2177 kilos or 2.177 tonnes.


Here are the workings:

Arithmetic mean average weight of Pattaya tourist: 300 lbs

Number of Pattaya tourists in lift come Disneyland ride: 16

16# x 300lbs = 4800 lbs

1 kg = 2.20462248 lbs

4800/2.20 = 2177 kgs.

1 tonne = 1000 kgs.

2177/1000 = 2.177 tonnes.

Just as a matter of personal preferences I refuse to get on a elevator with 15 other people my size.

Also reading these posts can be upsetting I had no problem with it happening in third world countries but


Tywais
You ruined it with the post about America having so many problems. No wonder Dean Martin was afraid to take elevators. Oh well I fly and the odds of getting hurt on the elevator are probably worse.

I was 160kgs (352lbs) two years ago, now 90kgs. So, yes I know what you mean. I was scared to get in an elevator with me! 

[Thaihog]

Jingthing, on 2010-07-25 13:06:47, said:

Corners are cut and people get hurt. But I am serious about my last comment. It is surprising that we don't hear about MORE of these kinds of accidents in Thailand, so somebody is doing something right.

It always amazes me why there are not jets falling out of the sky in Thailand. The service technicians will be getting paid peanuts no doubt and that coupled with the mai mee pann ha (no ploblem) Thai attitude, should be a recipe for a disaster  

[DexC]

screamingeagle, on 2010-07-25 12:56:04, said:

Seems like every day, there's bad news from Pattaya. What's happening???

Seems like every day, there's bad news from Thailand. What's happening is that "Amazing" is taking another meaning. The education system is an over-regulated joke; the political system was abandoned in Europe in the 17th Century; and the general populace find no alternative but to shrug "never mind" or follow a greedy peid piper to protest against the justice system removing half his fortune.

Siam's strengths have become Thailand's weaknesses. Technology is bought in from other societies which might as well be other planets because nobody is investing in the safeguards that surround these technologies on the planets from whence they came.

[neilf]

Deeral, on 2010-07-25 12:28:44, said:

I have worked on lift shafts and it has been demonstrated to me several times how this is impossible.

One can only conclude that the lift was of some design that is completely unacceptable for public use or some essential parts had been removed and the lift shouldn't have been in service.......or the story is false.

THe number of people is pretty much irrelevant as the lift won't move if overweight.

Unless of course the floor fell out!

nothing is impossible in thailand---------------no hse no nothing expect the unexpected---------amazing thaiand !!

[techboy]

somtampet, on 2010-07-25 12:23:25, said:

16 in a lift???

That sounds too many for a standard lift,unless they were Koreans and very light and thin

What is really scarey is that I get the idea that you actually think that you are being clever.

[Tracechain]

Uh, first floor please!

[neverdie]

Its amazing that all these amazing thailand comments get called as if lifts are plunging every second day right accross the country.  I don't ever recall hearing of this before, although I do recall a lift worker being crushed to death not so long back when working in a lift shaft with the lift still operating.

Anyway, perhaps some shouldnt be so critical of thai, perhaps this had nothing to do with Thailand, other than the accident occuring here, of course.

[jim4pim]

h5kaf, on 2010-07-25 13:08:03, said:

Whilst this is an horrific story I wonder if the facts are correct.  If the lift fell from the 18th floor through 10 floors it would be at the 8th floor not the ground floor.  Unless of course the ground floor is the 8th level and there are 7 underground floors.
However 16 injured suggests some form of braking motion otherwise they would be dead.

could be the power failure only occurred wheb they were at the tenth? problematic anyways..........glad to hear no one was killed......

[mika255]

imaneggspurt, on 2010-07-25 12:19:25, said:

I  didnt think this was possible, if there is a failure they are supposed to stop/lock where they are , i have a friend that works for otis and im sure he told me this, bizzarre

Yeah ... But not compare OTIS with the materials in use in Thailand !

[kimamey]

moetownblues, on 2010-07-25 12:45:34, said:

I thought 10 person was the maximum in a lift?

It depends on the size of the  lift.
My father was an electrician and used to work on lifts (usually on ships) and what he told me seems to agree with what some have said here. The lift is held in place in the shaft by a mechanical bake which I think was metal arms that engaged the lift shaft. These were released by taking the weight with the cable so if the cable broke the lift was stuck. Once that's done the lift is also counterweighted so it won't descend with the full weight of the occupants. I think there is also a mechanism to stop it working if it's overloaded.
I suppose it's possible to have bad luck where more than one safety device fails at once even with correct maintenance but more likely something wasn't checked or was overridden to keep the lift working maybe with the intention of fixing it later. It can happen even in ultra regulated, safety concious western countries so with Thailand's reputation anything is possible. Safety procedures almost always work but humans don't always abide by them.
I hope everyone recovers ok. I'm sure some will never use a lift again which given the height of some buildings could severely affect their lives from now on. If they work on say the 30th floor that could just stop them working.

[hjvdhoef]

Sparkles, on 2010-07-25 13:04:20, said:

moetownblues, on 2010-07-25 12:45:34, said:

I thought 10 person was the maximum in a lift?

Not when you can fit in 16 !

Yes 10 Americans or 25 Thais.

[hjvdhoef]

The group had entered the lift at the 18th floor before an unknown power failure resulted in the lift freefalling 10 floors before hitting the ground level?????
18-10 makes 8 isn't?.How is it possible that they hit the floor level?

[backsoon]

Tracechain, on 2010-07-25 16:07:41, said:

Uh, first floor please!

Plenty of jokes about Thais, Koreans, Chinese and obese Farang.  Had a good laugh...

On a serious note, - we have a typical mis- (des-) information from the local media.  These guys will report anything except reality.
The accident didn,t happen the way it was described. Impossible!
10 floors free fall and you would scrape the meat off the floor.
Power failure, cable snap, etc. - lift stops, not falls.
Overload, - lift does not start.
Anything else that did happen was no accident. It was an accident waiting to happen.
Reporter must have his/her head checked. Too many things out of joint.