Posted 2010-07-29 08:31:01
PREAH VIHEAR CONTROVERSY
Unesco delays pondering management plan to tonight
Unesco's World Heritage Committee has decided to postpone consideration on the controversial Preah Vihear Temple management plan from yesterday to tonight.
The postponement came after Cambodia's representatives requested an urgent talk with Thai Natural Resource and Environment Minister Suwit Khunkitti who is at the WH committee meeting in Brazil.
The panel will decide the matter again at about 10pm Bangkok time.
Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva yesterday considered options to retaliate against Unesco if the WH Committee approved the controversial Preah Vihear temple management plan.
PM revealed the option although the United Nations agency has guaranteed that the Hindu temple's inscription has nothing to do with the disputed border areas with Cambodia.
Among the options suggested by ministers was for Natural Resource and Environment
Suwit Khunkitti threatened to stage a walkout, and withdraw Thailand's membership from the Unesco committee.
Abhisit blamed the Unesco committee for listing Preah Vihear, which had created conflict between the two neighbouring countries. "If Unesco accepts the plan, it will create a wide rift between the people of the two countries," he was quoted by a source as saying at the Cabinet meeting.
Abhisit had instructed Suwit to lobby for a delay of the Preah Vihear management plan until the border dispute with Cambodia could be settled.
 -- The Nation 2010-07-29
Posted 2010-07-29 08:50:29
Compare the first page of The Pravda Nation - The Bangkok Post
and
http://www.phnompenhpost.com/
This silly temple story is on the main title in Thailand and just a small news in Cambodia.
Does Abisith need a war to win the next polls?
Posted 2010-07-29 10:06:41
 geovalin, on 2010-07-29 07:58:34, said:
Abisith obeys to the PAD.
An untold number of news stories over the past 3 months directly refutes that inaccurate assessment.
Posted 2010-07-29 11:31:35
Thailand have to take back what is belong to us. Including Angkor Wat.
Posted 2010-07-29 11:43:44
Piengrudee, on 2010-07-29 11:31:35, said:
Thailand have to take back what is belong to us. Including Angkor Wat.
Ok, let's see, Angkor Wat is a HINDU temple dedicated to the Hindu god Vishnu, in Angkor, Cambodia, built in the early 12th century for King Survavarman II, a Khmer King. So how is you think it belongs to Thailand????
Oh, I know, you learned in the wonderful Thai school system that it was built by Thai, and therefore belongs to them, right????
Posted 2010-07-29 12:21:22
WTF has UNESCO got to do with this? Butt out ...
#57
tod-daniels
Posted 2010-07-29 12:32:13
All this rampant nationalism over a management plan to a temple which was decided back in 1962 belongs to Cambodia?  A management plan I might add that thailand hasn't even laid eyes on, nor requested an 'advance copy' before showing up with their pissy attitude, their bluster and bluff? 
I love the quote by 'Mark';
"We think the World Heritage Committee should not consider this plan until Thailand and Cambodia have agreed on the demarcation line."
In the time since Preah Vihear was designated a WHS in 2008, I don’t think even a single square meter of land has been hashed out by the two countries. In fact I don't believe the Joint Demarcation Committee members on either side even met with one another  .
This entire pissing match is about 4.6 kilometers of economically unviable and nearly totally worthless, rocky 'scrub' land. 
Not to mention thailand has closed their access to the temple site which was a former cash cow for the national park up in Sisaket as the access road to the temple site from the thai side runs thru it; letting thailand charge tourists to pass thru. 
I think thailand shot themselves in the foot on all this posturing and rabid nationalistic rhetoric.
I totally concur with the synopsis given by "Just1Voice" about how this sour grapes attitude on thailand's part came about. OLD NEWS.. In fact a country can appeal an ICJ decision IF they can provide compelling new evidence. I think the statute of limitations on filing an appeal is 10 years. In that time thailand didn't supply even a single piece of 'new evidence'.
I also remember going to the FCCT and listening to a thai guy talk about Phra Vihear a coupla years ago when it was listed as a WHS. He rambled on about how the ICJ's decision wasn't unanimous, and therefore somehow 'didn't count'. He even had a booklet made up of the judges comments who didn't vote for decision, yet conveniently left out any of the judges comments who did vote for it.
BTW: 'asiawatcher' the reason UNESCO is involved is once a location is listed as a World Heritage Site the country in which it resides hasta follow UNESCO rules about it's management, including filing a plan for the management. What UNESCO is not involved in is this pissing match between Cambodia and thailand over the 'disputed' land.
I also whole heartedly agree with other illustrious posters in the fact that the poster known as "Piengrudee"; (the ‘nearly 100 post’ new resident expert on all things thai) has some skewed ideas about thai history and in their posting penchants overall. Not to mention some very marginal engrish skills. Probably some old, bald, beer bellied, fat foreigner who ripped the avatar pic off the internet and is tryin’ to type ‘thai-speak’.
My advice; DON'T FEED THE TROLL. .. .. 
Posted 2010-07-29 12:39:21
"marginal engrish skills" - you can't even spell right.
Posted 2010-07-29 12:48:31
Piengrudee, on 2010-07-29 12:39:21, said:
"marginal engrish skills" - you can't even spell right.
What was wrong with Rucharee?
Posted 2010-07-29 18:38:56
jayjay0, on 2010-07-28 12:02:49, said:
You might want to say that every thing you say applies to the red shirt's also. They were the ones in power who started this fiasco. They started it for the same reason Abhisit carries it on. It looks good to the average Thai pure and simple.
One of the things that really gets me is that they imply King Rama v was not aware of what he was doing. What they are saying in a nice polite way is he was a idiot and didn't know what was going on.
What you talking about? What did the 'red shirts' start when they were in power?
Do you mean the Samak government who did nothing else but agreed and support the Cambodian bid to getting that temple listed as World Heritage Site. Then Foreign Minister Noppadon Pattama was attacked by Democrats in the parliament and by the PAD on the street for signing a deal with Cambodia. The Democrats started a censure motion over this. The constitutional court found that Noppadon as FM has violated the constitution because the signing the deal with Cambodia was only a cabinet decision without holding a parliamentary debate over it.
Without the ultra nationalistic rabble-rousing by the Democrats and the PAD there wouldn't be a problem.
Posted 2010-07-30 00:02:35
Just1Voice, on 2010-07-29 11:43:44, said:
Piengrudee, on 2010-07-29 11:31:35, said:
Thailand have to take back what is belong to us. Including Angkor Wat.
Ok, let's see, Angkor Wat is a HINDU temple dedicated to the Hindu god Vishnu, in Angkor, Cambodia, built in the early 12th century for King Survavarman II, a Khmer King. So how is you think it belongs to Thailand????
Oh, I know, you learned in the wonderful Thai school system that it was built by Thai, and therefore belongs to them, right????
Allover Europe people were busy for centuries to build temples for a bizarre cult, worshiping that dude on the cross, INRI, Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum. "Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews". And these places therefore belongs to who????
Do you know that your counter-argument isn't that much smarter if not dumber specially because you think you are in a position to bitch about the school system someone might have visited. What makes you think the your education was anyhow better?
In the 12th century there was no Thailand, but also no Cambodia. I don't know where you come from but i guess also there like all over there world the borders between the then existing realms, empires, kingdoms or territories under the reign of whoever where quite different from todays borders between todays states, nations, countries and so on.
So what? did you learn at your school that the 12th century is the point where we have to look into the history to decide if something belong to this country or to that country?
What tells you that there is some lineage between the heydays of Angkor and todays Cambodia? Ancient countries are foreign countries. And the Angkor kingdom is gone, the people are dead, the died long, long time ago. todays people have not much to do with them. ancestry and inheritance a myth.
Going hundreds of years back in history to claim a territory will not work out, but it will also not work to deny any claim. because there was once a Suryavarman, who build a temple for Vishnu.
Trying to belittle Thai people, because their culture roots not in 100% original Thai but borrows, adopt or is influence also by other cultures and claim that all Thai people don't knew it because they don't learn it at school will also not work out. that are ignorant and disrespectful statements. Every nation has its more or less delusional beliefs about heritage that could be easy deconstructed.
At the moment some Thai go gaga, showing signs of a nationalistic mania. But if you start to mock all Thai using stereotypes and generalisation you are not much better than the nationalistic blockheads.
Posted 2010-07-30 01:10:08
Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. They should both be changed regularly, and for the same reason.
Posted 2010-07-30 02:28:03
geovalin, on 2010-07-29 08:50:29, said:
Compare the first page of The Pravda Nation - The Bangkok Post
and
http://www.phnompenhpost.com/
This silly temple story is on the main title in Thailand and just a small news in Cambodia.
Does Abisith need a war to win the next polls?
Actually when the International Court of Justice ruled on Preah Vihear in 1962 it was not followed up by either Cambodia or Thailand. If you like formal language read http://www.icj-cij.o...se=45&k=46&p3=5 Then decide who's wrong or right and why things need to be done, or not to be done.
Edited by rubl, 2010-07-30 02:28:40.
Posted 2010-07-30 05:43:27
Piengrudee, on 2010-07-28 11:03:51, said:
alex_aka_P, on 2010-07-28 10:54:46, said: Piengrudee, on 2010-07-28 10:03:47, said: 3 provinces in Cambodia is actually Thailand. The half of Thailand is formerly a part of the Khmer Empire.And the second belongs to Malayans. The real Thailand is hidden somewhere at Lanna (which is, of course, formerly a part of Chinese Empire and built by Chinese escaped from Genghiz Khan's ords invading from the north).Read your own histtory, kiddo. And don't post stupidity.
Including Angkor Wat.
Ask any Cambodian and they will tell you Seam Reap means defeat of the Thais.
Posted 2010-07-30 05:50:02
Insight, on 2010-07-29 12:48:31, said:
Piengrudee, on 2010-07-29 12:39:21, said:
"marginal engrish skills" - you can't even spell right.
What was wrong with Rucharee?
Rucharee could make a argument once in a while.
#66
OctavianCaesar
Posted 2010-07-30 14:56:02
Democrat, on 2010-07-28 08:27:27, said:
Quote "The prime minister said his government would exercise its right to protest, and did not want to see the dispute develop into a war," Panthep said.
He met the yellow-shirt leaders for two hours after about 1,000 PAD supporters rallied outside the Unesco office on Sukhumvit Road despite the emergency decree
Now 1,000 red shirt rally about the unfair prices for farmers and the huge profits for the middlemen.
I bet you never look in the mirror. Time to take a good hard look at yourself.
It's funny Abhisit's double standards; nearly 1,000 PAD in a political gathering despite the emergency decree, but he invites the leaders into his house for tea and scones. This is so funny. What a shameful government, Thailand.
#67
OctavianCaesar
Posted 2010-07-30 14:57:38
Piengrudee, on 2010-07-29 11:31:35, said:
Thailand have to take back what is belong to us. Including Angkor Wat.
It does not belong to Thailand. It's on someone elses land. Get over it.
#68
OctavianCaesar
Posted 2010-07-30 14:58:38
asiawatcher, on 2010-07-29 12:21:22, said:
WTF has UNESCO got to do with this? Butt out ...
I think they're tryin to mediate and stop a war. What kind of person fears an independant body? Not a good one, for sure.
Edited by OctavianCaesar, 2010-07-30 14:59:10.
#69
OctavianCaesar
Posted 2010-07-30 15:03:18
mazeltov, on 2010-07-29 18:38:56, said:
jayjay0, on 2010-07-28 12:02:49, said:
You might want to say that every thing you say applies to the red shirt's also. They were the ones in power who started this fiasco. They started it for the same reason Abhisit carries it on. It looks good to the average Thai pure and simple.
One of the things that really gets me is that they imply King Rama v was not aware of what he was doing. What they are saying in a nice polite way is he was a idiot and didn't know what was going on.
What you talking about? What did the 'red shirts' start when they were in power?
Do you mean the Samak government who did nothing else but agreed and support the Cambodian bid to getting that temple listed as World Heritage Site. Then Foreign Minister Noppadon Pattama was attacked by Democrats in the parliament and by the PAD on the street for signing a deal with Cambodia. The Democrats started a censure motion over this. The constitutional court found that Noppadon as FM has violated the constitution because the signing the deal with Cambodia was only a cabinet decision without holding a parliamentary debate over it.
Without the ultra nationalistic rabble-rousing by the Democrats and the PAD there wouldn't be a problem.
LOL
You know, when the now foreign minister (Kasit) invaded the airport with his yellow belly buddies, he vowed on stage to the PAD, due to the temple dispute, to wash his feet with the blood of Hun Sen. I do not have faith he has the necessary skills required to be foreign minister.
Edited by OctavianCaesar, 2010-07-30 15:07:29.
Posted 2010-07-30 17:01:47
OctavianCaesar, on 2010-07-30 15:03:18, said: I do not have faith he has the necessary skills required to be foreign minister.
It's reprehensible that they failed to consult with you regarding your own personal preferences for the Cabinet, but I'm sure when the next government is formed, they will not repeat the same mistake and will anxiously await your choices to be faxed to them to which they will hurriedly approve.
#71
OctavianCaesar
Posted 2010-07-31 11:32:48
march, on 2010-07-30 17:01:47, said: It's reprehensible that they failed to consult with you regarding your own personal preferences for the Cabinet, but I'm sure when the next government is formed, they will not repeat the same mistake and will anxiously await your choices to be faxed to them to which they will hurriedly approve.
How can a Foreign Minister be charged with the respectible task of negotiating with a foreign country in which he's previously pledged to criminal supporters to wash his feet with the blood of the Prime Minister of that country?
It's people like me who's support they need to verify their legitimacy, actually. It'd be called an election and it's reasons like this that this government refuses to hold one.
Posted 2010-07-31 11:46:57
mazeltov, on 2010-07-29 18:38:56, said:
jayjay0, on 2010-07-28 12:02:49, said:
You might want to say that every thing you say applies to the red shirt's also. They were the ones in power who started this fiasco. They started it for the same reason Abhisit carries it on. It looks good to the average Thai pure and simple.
One of the things that really gets me is that they imply King Rama v was not aware of what he was doing. What they are saying in a nice polite way is he was a idiot and didn't know what was going on.
What you talking about? What did the 'red shirts' start when they were in power?
Do you mean the Samak government who did nothing else but agreed and support the Cambodian bid to getting that temple listed as World Heritage Site. Then Foreign Minister Noppadon Pattama was attacked by Democrats in the parliament and by the PAD on the street for signing a deal with Cambodia. The Democrats started a censure motion over this. The constitutional court found that Noppadon as FM has violated the constitution because the signing the deal with Cambodia was only a cabinet decision without holding a parliamentary debate over it.
Without the ultra nationalistic rabble-rousing by the Democrats and the PAD there wouldn't be a problem.
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