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moe666
Platinum Member Posted 2010-07-29 20:25:00
Clearly written by Farang for Farang gains only. Thai people, TOT & CAT will loose out. Give us some actual facts and info on how the Thai people would lose out if some farang co. were allowed to develope 3g and 4g for Thailand. #27
jybkk
Senior Member Posted 2010-07-29 20:35:41
That's incorrect. 3G is anything but outdated. 4G standards are not finalized yet and only deployed experimentally in small zones, notably in Sweden. You can't "skip" 3G because it is not meant to be replaced by 4G. Similarly, 3G did not replace 2G in the countries where it is deployed. Those are complementing network: 2G (gsm) is still used for calls and sms while 3G is used for internet. 4G will, for example bring the possibility of HD video streaming while roaming. 3G is shamefully late in Thailand but not too late. And the bright side is that once they finally obtain the 3G licenses (this is a licensing issue, not a technological or financial one) , operators will directly deploy the latest 3G revisions (usually called 3.5 and 3.9G and LTE) which will quickly make up for the delay. Whoah, Even an IT challenged guy like me reads the news and looks at IT developments, just so I can learn about even more complex devices and systems that I can't figure out. From what I see, 4G is available in selected markets in the USA. Canada's major wireless companies are redeveloping to 4G capabilities, China reports that it has a network and it is even available in Tashkent. Yes, Sweden and Norway have a working network, but one can do wonders in a small area. When one gets to large geographic land masses like the USA/Canada and the use of 4G, that does suggest that change is on the way. The regulators and companies in Canada/USA started working on the scheme 2 years ago, so I don't think it is unreasonable to say that it takes time to implement advancements like 4G. Thailand demonstrates a retarded growth in all things related to advanced technology and science. I use the word retarded in its purest sense. By the time the 4G system is ready to go in Thailand, it will have been surpassed by 5G, which South Korea is already planning for. That;'s the thing about technology. You have be in the game to keep up and Thailand isn't even sitting on the bench. Maybe, Thailand should forget about 4G for the time being and instead address its basic telecommunications and ISP weaknesses first. In terms of bang for the baht, I don't know what the advantages to Thai society will be of having a wireless 4G capability, when businesses can't even obtain reliable internet service. Those are Pre-4G technologies branded as 4G by operators mostly because it looks cool. Have a quick look at wikipedia and you will see that 4G standards are not defined yet and most of them use technologies like Wimax or LTE which might... or might not... end up as the 4G standard. Regardless of the technical nitpicking from my part, I completely agree with you that this delay is catastrophic for Thailand...; but not very surprising either. It's very sad to see that the delay in development is completely due to political stupidity. Those technologies and equipments are already completely developed before they reach thailand and the associated business models have been tested before. Thailand Operator just have to copy and apply, and I'm confident they can do it quite properly. To do so they first need those 3G licenses and that's where we're stuck for several years already. Some are stalling because they're afraid to be caught in some irregular operations, while the other delay until they can find the way to get a bigger part of the cake. That's a disgrace. However, I'd like to insist on the fact that you can't "skip" one generation to prepare the following. Most of them rely on the existence of the predecessor and are not necessarily meant to offer a complete coverage of the country. 4G will bring new services but won't replace 3G. #28
powderpuff
Platinum Member Posted 2010-07-29 20:39:14
Since the airport is already completed - opportunities for graft & corruption are limited.
#29
AZBill
Senior Member Posted 2010-07-29 21:15:37
Clearly written by Farang for Farang gains only. Thai people, TOT & CAT will loose out. I think most farangs wonder why they are even talking about 3G, its out of date already and here they still talk about selling the licences. I agree. We are already far beyond 3G in Farangland so I doubt this was a farang who wrote this. The comment about it being written by farang clearly shows a lack of what is going on outside of Thailand and is indemic to the problem so clearly presented in the article - that Thailand is just lagging behind the rest of the civilized world in this area and refuses to pull its head out of the sand. #30
asiawatcher
Platinum Member Posted 2010-07-29 21:19:43
Clearly written by Farang for Farang gains only. Thai people, TOT & CAT will loose out. And your comment is clearly why Thailand remains intellectually crippled and corrupt! #31
sibeymai
Dismembered Member Posted 2010-07-29 21:38:01
Thaksin try to benefit There, corrected that for you. TOT, CAT, and all the sticky fingers in the pudding are very much holding back Thailand and the Thai people. It's not just foreign companies that are tired of this never-ending stupid mess of corruption, it's everyone else too. Every Thai should be tired of it. Thailand already has laws that prevent the "sellout" of Thai companies, but even that Thailand is unable to enforce - isn't AIS Singaporean now, and how can that be? A strong country defends it's laws. If I remember correctly the concession reduction only applied to AIS, not DTAC or others. It would seem that nikster's correction is appropriate. Indeed Piengrudee is providing a good insight into why Thailand increasingly has more in common with Laos, Cambodia and Myanmar as opposed to Malaysia, Vietnam, Singapore and even Indonesia. Truly it is a race to the bottom with, it seems, the Thais enthusiastically cheering on. With Telecoms development retarded and the tourism industry decemated it must be time to throw a spanner in the works of the still successful auto industry. Edited by sibeymai, 2010-07-29 21:43:51. #32
Changian
Senior Member Posted 2010-07-29 21:59:17
Since the airport is already completed - opportunities for graft & corruption are limited. Time for a second runway at SuvarnabhumiI think. #33
phil2
Senior Member Posted 2010-07-29 22:41:04
Clearly written by Farang for Farang gains only. Thai people, TOT & CAT will loose out. They will definitely get there pretty soon. What a shame! #34
phil2
Senior Member Posted 2010-07-29 22:43:35
Clearly written by Farang for Farang gains only. Thai people, TOT & CAT will loose out. Why don't you just stop crying wolf? #35
jayjay0
Platinum Member Posted 2010-07-29 23:54:25
Clearly written by Farang for Farang gains only. Thai people, TOT & CAT will loose out. Keep the posts coming Do not let the detractors stop you no matter how right they are and how wrong you are. Do you think school system is doing a good job? #36
Payboy
Bored Member Posted 2010-07-30 08:39:13
Since the airport is already completed - opportunities for graft & corruption are limited. Time for a second runway at SuvarnabhumiI think. It already has a 2nd runway, but if you insist they can put an additional one to form the letter H. 
#37
RKASA
Super Member Posted 2010-07-30 18:28:47
Thaksin try to benefit There, corrected that for you. TOT, CAT, and all the sticky fingers in the pudding are very much holding back Thailand and the Thai people. It's not just foreign companies that are tired of this never-ending stupid mess of corruption, it's everyone else too. Every Thai should be tired of it. Thailand already has laws that prevent the "sellout" of Thai companies, but even that Thailand is unable to enforce - isn't AIS Singaporean now, and how can that be? A strong country defends it's laws. If I remember correctly the concession reduction only applied to AIS, not DTAC or others. It would seem that nikster's correction is appropriate. Indeed Piengrudee is providing a good insight into why Thailand increasingly has more in common with Laos, Cambodia and Myanmar as opposed to Malaysia, Vietnam, Singapore and even Indonesia. Truly it is a race to the bottom with, it seems, the Thais enthusiastically cheering on. With Telecoms development retarded and the tourism industry decemated it must be time to throw a spanner in the works of the still successful auto industry. It was Dtac that asked for the concessions re leaf and Dtac was lowered as were all other telcom from 25% to 18% and AIS was only lower to 20% Why are they not recovering the money from the other telcom? Why not have ToT and CAT account for all these funds over the years something on order of 4,000,000,000,000,000 baht #38
SamritT
Senior Member Posted 2010-07-30 19:17:22
"It was DTAC that asked for the concessions re leaf and DTAC was lowered as were all other telcom from 25% to 18% and AIS was only lower to 20%". . . . Is this a fact? Can anyone second this?
#39
RKASA
Super Member Posted 2010-07-31 00:42:57
"It was DTAC that asked for the concessions re leaf and DTAC was lowered as were all other telcom from 25% to 18% and AIS was only lower to 20%". . . . Is this a fact? Can anyone second this? Read the Nation around late Feb. #40
mazeltov
Senior Member Posted 2010-07-31 07:17:19
Thaksin try to benefit the phone users by dropping the cut taken by TOT & CAT for doing nothing. he was badly burned. Now, no one dare to touch TOT & CAT for that reason. Not even Mark or Korn. Else, double standard. All the Tax free profits he made from the sale of his telephone empire,wish I could get burned that badly. Just build up your own 'telephone empire' and sell it when its big. than you don't have to look at others full of envy. #41
haveaniceday
Senior Member Posted 2010-07-31 07:30:05
Clearly written by Farang for Farang gains only. Thai people, TOT & CAT will loose out. Back to your cave, that is if you have worked out that it is better to sleep in a cave than out in the open in the rain. Maybe your offspring can invent the wheel in 10,000 years time. I would have thought that some one on line so much, would know what technology was. May be you should travel as well and learn what really is happening in the world. #42
THAILIBAN
Senior Member Posted 2010-07-31 13:05:29
Clearly written by Farang for Farang gains only. Thai people, TOT & CAT will loose out. what a rubbish. In Manila and Jakarta they are laughing about 3G already, you can already use 3,5G there. the entire thing is a typical example for the childish and immature attitude of most of most of the Thai society. but MAI BPEN RAI, I will still stay here nevertheless, cause I outright LOVE childish and immature behaviour 
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