Posted 2010-08-23 05:17:27
 Buchholz, on 2010-08-22 22:16:26, said:
Siripon, on 2010-08-22 19:50:45, said:
rubl, on 2010-08-20 08:28:45, said:
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Jatuporn added that starting next month, Pheu Thai MPs and key red shirts would deliver speeches across the country to inform the public of the Pheu Thai Party's policies and the current government's poor performance.
I thought the PTP policy was so simple it didn't need explanation: 'bring back K. Thaksin' 
Yesterday Jatupon told 500 of the red shirts in Chiang Mai that Thaksin had twittered him and told him he was going to meet Nelson Mandela to discuss how to proceed regarding the deaths of 91 Thais in the red shirt riots!
Who tells more lies, Jatupon or Thaksin? It's a close contest.
The Red Drama Queen Traveling Troupe during their Chiang Mai performance yesterday:
Thai Rath newspaper
Yes but the awkward facts remain............
Over 90 dead and mostly shot by the army.
Recent by election over 40% vote for a candidate in custody and accused of terrorism.
Still SOE in Bangkok.
The " Red Drama Queens" as you insultingly describe them have not exactly disappeared, have they ?
Posted 2010-08-23 05:25:13
The reds were holding Bangkok and the entire country hostage using illegal means for months. There was no peaceful way to disperse them. They clearly were fishing for martyrs, and they got them, so who exactly is responsible for what happened?
Posted 2010-08-23 06:45:19
Jingthing, on 2010-08-23 05:25:13, said:
The reds were holding Bangkok and the entire country hostage using illegal means for months. There was no peaceful way to disperse them. They clearly were fishing for martyrs, and they got them, so who exactly is responsible for what happened?
Probably pointless to argue with you, we obviously disagree but, the government sanctioned the use of deadly force and should be responsible for that.
If the reds were " fishing for martyrs ", and I agree with you, I think they were, it makes it even more ridiculous that the government gave them what they wanted.
Why give your enemy the very thing he seeks and needs to discredit you ?
Posted 2010-08-23 07:10:24
philw, on 2010-08-23 05:17:27, said:
Buchholz, on 2010-08-22 22:16:26, said:
Siripon, on 2010-08-22 19:50:45, said:
rubl, on 2010-08-20 08:28:45, said:
I thought the PTP policy was so simple it didn't need explanation: 'bring back K. Thaksin'
Yesterday Jatupon told 500 of the red shirts in Chiang Mai that Thaksin had twittered him and told him he was going to meet Nelson Mandela to discuss how to proceed regarding the deaths of 91 Thais in the red shirt riots!
Who tells more lies, Jatupon or Thaksin? It's a close contest.
The Red Drama Queen Traveling Troupe during their Chiang Mai performance yesterday:
Thai Rath newspaper
Yes but the awkward facts remain............
Over 90 dead and mostly shot by the army.
Recent by election over 40% vote for a candidate in custody and accused of terrorism.
Still SOE in Bangkok.
The " Red Drama Queens" as you insultingly describe them have not exactly disappeared, have they ?
No SOE in Chiang Mai and a 500 turnout in Thaksin's home base. Seems they're getting further and further away from their purported turnouts of 1,000,000.
The "Red in the Land" is certainly getting to be a paler shade:
Anti-government protesters from the Red Sunday group perform a skit during a rally in Chiang Mai province, north of Bangkok August 22, 2010. The gathering of about 200 people took place less than a week after the government lifted the state of emergency in the northern province of Chiang Mai.
REUTERS
http://news.yahoo.co.../r267120238.jpg
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Sorry, I stand corrected. It was a massive rally of 200, not 500.
Posted 2010-08-23 08:12:19
kissdani, on 2010-08-23 07:41:01, said:
Jingthing, on 2010-08-23 05:25:13, said:
The reds were holding Bangkok and the entire country hostage using illegal means for months. There was no peaceful way to disperse them. They clearly were fishing for martyrs, and they got them, so who exactly is responsible for what happened?
Nobody likes to be killed. You have a very sick mind.
What else were they expecting by attacking the army?
Posted 2010-08-23 09:07:43
whybother, on 2010-08-23 08:12:19, said:
What else were they expecting by attacking the army?
Not to mention the year-long bombing campaign, the hospital invasion, the kidnapping, the death threats, the assassination attempts, the blocking of roads, the setting up an armed camp in the city center, the illegal search and seizure on private citizens in their cars or on foot, the terrorist grenade launch on the BTS, etc.
Posted 2010-08-23 11:13:48
way2muchcoffee, on 2010-08-23 09:07:43, said:
whybother, on 2010-08-23 08:12:19, said:
What else were they expecting by attacking the army?
Not to mention the year-long bombing campaign, the hospital invasion, the kidnapping, the death threats, the assassination attempts, the blocking of roads, the setting up an armed camp in the city center, the illegal search and seizure on private citizens in their cars or on foot, the terrorist grenade launch on the BTS, etc.
The reds will continue to be a poltical force. You dant launch two poltical uprisings complete with violence and intimidation unless you are serious. Right now they are a bit leaderless and vulnerable. Even in Chaing Mai local vendors wouldnt let them demonstrate where they wanted so they had to go elsewhere, but they will build. The next target is probably an election if it comes before April. Failing that there is always the quiet farming period of April to May where another uprising can be tried although the organization will need to be better than now and even better than the last one when many of the groups in the pick up convoy all over the N and NE never made it to BKK but instead turned back after only a few km.
Interesting to see how it develops.
Posted 2010-08-23 11:14:52
Looks at a RED art festival in CM.
Posted 2010-08-23 14:06:52
hammered, on 2010-08-23 11:13:48, said:
way2muchcoffee, on 2010-08-23 09:07:43, said:
whybother, on 2010-08-23 08:12:19, said:
What else were they expecting by attacking the army?
Not to mention the year-long bombing campaign, the hospital invasion, the kidnapping, the death threats, the assassination attempts, the blocking of roads, the setting up an armed camp in the city center, the illegal search and seizure on private citizens in their cars or on foot, the terrorist grenade launch on the BTS, etc.
The reds will continue to be a poltical force. You dant launch two poltical uprisings complete with violence and intimidation unless you are serious. Right now they are a bit leaderless and vulnerable. Even in Chaing Mai local vendors wouldnt let them demonstrate where they wanted so they had to go elsewhere, but they will build. The next target is probably an election if it comes before April.
PTP MP and Red Leader On Bail Jatuporn said the Reds will organise political activities in the North to attack the government (hopefully only verbally) this Thurdsay, August 26.
Additional opportunities exist for the Red shenanigans are with the local Bangkok district elections to be held on August 29, where the PTP, like during their loss for the Bangkok MP by-election, will once again be competing against the Democrats.
Posted 2010-08-23 14:34:21
Buchholz, on 2010-08-23 14:06:52, said:
hammered, on 2010-08-23 11:13:48, said:
way2muchcoffee, on 2010-08-23 09:07:43, said:
whybother, on 2010-08-23 08:12:19, said:
What else were they expecting by attacking the army?
Not to mention the year-long bombing campaign, the hospital invasion, the kidnapping, the death threats, the assassination attempts, the blocking of roads, the setting up an armed camp in the city center, the illegal search and seizure on private citizens in their cars or on foot, the terrorist grenade launch on the BTS, etc.
The reds will continue to be a poltical force. You dant launch two poltical uprisings complete with violence and intimidation unless you are serious. Right now they are a bit leaderless and vulnerable. Even in Chaing Mai local vendors wouldnt let them demonstrate where they wanted so they had to go elsewhere, but they will build. The next target is probably an election if it comes before April.
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PTP MP and Red Leader On Bail Jatuporn said the Reds will organise political activities in the North to attack the government (hopefully only verbally) this Thurdsay, August 26.
Additional opportunities exist for the Red shenanigans are with the local Bangkok district elections to be held on August 29, where the PTP, like during their loss for the Bangkok MP by-election, will once again be competing against the Democrats.
But the Democrats will also be competing against the New Politics party which will take away a portion of their votes
Posted 2010-08-23 15:02:06
Siripon, on 2010-08-23 14:34:21, said:
Buchholz, on 2010-08-23 14:06:52, said:
hammered, on 2010-08-23 11:13:48, said:
The reds will continue to be a political force. You don't launch two political uprisings complete with violence and intimidation unless you are serious. Right now they are a bit leaderless and vulnerable. Even in Chiang Mai local vendors wouldn't let them demonstrate where they wanted so they had to go elsewhere, but they will build. The next target is probably an election if it comes before April.
PTP MP and Red Leader On Bail Jatuporn said the Reds will organise political activities in the North to attack the government (hopefully only verbally) this Thurdsay, August 26.
Additional opportunities exist for the Red shenanigans are with the local Bangkok district elections to be held on August 29, where the PTP, like during their loss for the Bangkok MP by-election, will once again be competing against the Democrats.
But the Democrats will also be competing against the New Politics party which will take away a portion of their votes
Yes, it'll be interesting to see how do in their first foray into an election and what impact they will play with the PTP and Democrats.
Likewise, will the Reds Party for Sae Daeng be competing? I've not seen if they will contest in these elections.
I don't see the PTP putting up Veera or Natthawut as candidates, so perhaps they learned from the earlier by-election not to run a terrorist suspect.
Edited by Buchholz, 2010-08-23 15:07:02.
Posted 2010-08-23 15:54:14
philw, on 2010-08-23 06:45:19, said:
Jingthing, on 2010-08-23 05:25:13, said:
The reds were holding Bangkok and the entire country hostage using illegal means for months. There was no peaceful way to disperse them. They clearly were fishing for martyrs, and they got them, so who exactly is responsible for what happened?
Probably pointless to argue with you, we obviously disagree but, the government sanctioned the use of deadly force and should be responsible for that.
If the reds were " fishing for martyrs ", and I agree with you, I think they were, it makes it even more ridiculous that the government gave them what they wanted.
Why give your enemy the very thing he seeks and needs to discredit you ?
Hmmmmm
The government sanctioned the use of deadly force and acknowledged it. They are still standing. Look at Thai history and the use of force against mobs. This seems to be the very first government that has survived it.
Why "give your enemy the very thing he seeks" ?The government tried for ages to deal with the situation without resorting to that level of force. At some point you have to look at the rest of the population's needs, the country's needs, etc .. and then make a stand.
Posted 2010-08-23 17:57:46
philw, on 2010-08-23 05:17:27, said:
Recent by election over 40% vote for a candidate in custody and accused of terrorism.
Those who voted PTP would have voted for any of their candidates standing, even if you had dressed up a pink elephant with a red shirt. Nothing to do with K. Korkaew I think.
Posted 2010-08-23 18:13:31
Where is the killed soldiers in that Red Drama Showing above?
Posted 2010-08-23 18:19:33
TAWP, on 2010-08-23 18:13:31, said:
Where is the killed soldiers in that Red Drama Showing above?
Yes, missing the colonel with his aides who were killed by M79 grenades. And those who started the killing of both reds and soldiers on April the 10th. Lots of people seem to have selective memory syndrome.
Posted 2010-08-24 12:45:24
Buchholz, on 2010-08-23 14:06:52, said:
hammered, on 2010-08-23 11:13:48, said:
way2muchcoffee, on 2010-08-23 09:07:43, said:
Not to mention the year-long bombing campaign, the hospital invasion, the kidnapping, the death threats, the assassination attempts, the blocking of roads, the setting up an armed camp in the city center, the illegal search and seizure on private citizens in their cars or on foot, the terrorist grenade launch on the BTS, etc.
The reds will continue to be a poltical force. You dant launch two poltical uprisings complete with violence and intimidation unless you are serious. Right now they are a bit leaderless and vulnerable. Even in Chaing Mai local vendors wouldnt let them demonstrate where they wanted so they had to go elsewhere, but they will build. The next target is probably an election if it comes before April.
PTP MP and Red Leader On Bail Jatuporn said the Reds will organise political activities in the North to attack the government (hopefully only verbally) this Thursday, August 26.
Additional opportunities exist for the Red shenanigans are with the local Bangkok district elections to be held on August 29, where the PTP, like during their loss for the Bangkok MP by-election, will once again be competing against the Democrats.
Just for the record, PTP MP and Red Leader On Bail Jatuporn has said today that the Reds will not be having protests in Bangkok for now.
No further word from him about the protests scheduled in Chiang Mai for the day after tomorrow, August 26.
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