Posted 2010-07-30 18:58:16
 moskito, on 2010-07-30 14:32:22, said:
Does sombody here really belive this guy came back to Thailand if he is guilty? AND they let him out on bail if they have any proof? Sorry but then you are on a level behind thinking or just in LOS for too long.
Like I said many times before. I will never understand people publishing bullshit like this with full name and a picture, BEFORE the suspect (the word says it all) is PROOFED guilty!
Cancel my membership in TV Forum but if one is not allowed to say what he is thinking anymore dark times begin!
T.I.T says it all.
In Thailand, logic does not apply...
Posted 2010-07-30 19:00:04
ericthai, on 2010-07-30 18:37:58, said:
Just1Voice, on 2010-07-30 13:21:38, said:
Curiouser and Curiouser!
1) Original reports said he was arrested, and when police searched his house they DID find evidence of child porn, but now they say no evidence was found. 
2) Thai Immigration comes out and says they are voiding his visa and blacklisting him, but apparently that didn't happen either, since he has TWICE left the country and returned.
3) Am I the only one who has serious doubts that we will never know the REAL truth of the matter?
I never saw any reports that they found child porn at his house, from the first time I heard of this they said they searched his place with a search warrant and found nothing. If they would have found something then there would have been more charges added to his arrest.
As for this visa, guess you are not reading everything, he is out on bail and once everything is finalized then he will lose his visa and be blacklisted (however, personally I believe he will pay the right people and get back in either here in Thailand or get a new passport in Russia with a different name. He has too much investment in Thailand to just walk away, just my thoughts)
First report I saw and read was here on Thai Visa, have done a thread search and dug it out....
Opening post, a piece below...which states nothing suspicious was found...
http://www.thaivisa....thai-sex-probe/
Quote posted 2010-07-07 08:34
Russian conductor bailed in Thai sex probe: consulate
MOSCOW (AFP) -- Famed Russian conductor Mihkail Pletnev has been released on bail after Thai police searched his home in Thailand as part of a probe into paedophilia, the Russian consulate said Tuesday.
Pletnev, artistic director of the acclaimed Russian National Orchestra, was released on bail after the search in the Thai resort of Pattaya, Russian consular official in Thailand Andrei Dvornikov told RIA Novosti.
police informed Pletnev that some Thai citizens who had been arrested for paedophilia and producing child porn had given evidence against him," Dvornikov said.
The police conducted a search together with Pletnev of his house, where nothing suspicious was found," he added, saying Pletnev was currently at his home in Thailand.
Edited by MB1, 2010-07-30 19:03:04.
Posted 2010-07-30 19:05:06
moskito, on 2010-07-30 15:33:27, said:
I take no sides here and I hate foreigners coming to Thailand just for the small girls or even underaged girls or boys. I just hate the kind of false reports where Newspapers, Magazines and internet Forums make a guy guilty before he is proofed guilty. In my ten years here in Phuket I have never seen child abuse, except we are talking about some underaged 16 y.o. girls in Thai Karaoke Bars.
Btw, I find it annoying to see old fellas about 60-70 years of age walking around with a 18-20y.o. too in my opinion they are not much better as the pädophiles we talk often here in TV Forum
Posted 2010-07-30 19:06:47
IMHO, the Russian Pianist is innocent.
Posted 2010-07-30 19:09:47
Tanaka, on 2010-07-30 19:05:06, said:
moskito, on 2010-07-30 15:33:27, said:
I take no sides here and I hate foreigners coming to Thailand just for the small girls or even underaged girls or boys. I just hate the kind of false reports where Newspapers, Magazines and internet Forums make a guy guilty before he is proofed guilty. In my ten years here in Phuket I have never seen child abuse, except we are talking about some underaged 16 y.o. girls in Thai Karaoke Bars.
Btw, I find it annoying to see old fellas about 60-70 years of age walking around with a 18-20y.o. too in my opinion they are not much better as the pädophiles we talk often here in TV Forum
Also another point if I may make it, some of the people who look and see and older guy with a young girl 18-20 years old, could infact be a lot older than she looks, also the young girl could be his daughter..
Posted 2010-07-30 20:28:41
We (humans) have made our lives incredibly difficult with all the rules & regulations about everything.
A smart person will ask, "Why do we have all these idiotic rules & regulations"?
A smarter person will answer, "To satify all the control freaks who thinks that nobody is control of themselves & therefore, people MUST be controlled."
Pletnev, if innocent, may end up being another 'suicide' statistic...& we all know about the huge number of foreigners who 'purportedly' commit suicide in Pattaya, don't we!!!
Posted 2010-07-30 21:00:57
indyuk, on 2010-07-30 16:29:06, said:
Innocent unless proven guilty. Therefore no money to pay to anyone.
He is following the instructions of the court so he is probably innocent.
I do wish foreigners would leave the children alone though.
Is this wish just about 'foreigners', or the locals too?
I agree with innocent until proven guilty...
Posted 2010-07-30 21:44:25
"Proved," or "Proven," Not 'Proofed!' Honestly, folks! Please learn to write your own language!
Posted 2010-07-30 21:59:07
kissrev1, on 2010-07-30 21:44:25, said:
"Proved," or "Proven," Not 'Proofed!' Honestly, folks! Please learn to write your own language!
You obviously understood what the post meant though, but as it seems you want to have a go at someones choice of word on the forum and correct them, why don't you learn to read English, a good place to start is the forum rules where it states....
Quote However English is not always the first language of our members so don't waste space correcting other members' grammar and spelling where it isn't necessary.
Al spilling, grandma mistsatkes corrict at tim of psoting.
Edited by MB1, 2010-07-30 22:01:19.
Posted 2010-07-30 22:23:23
Read one report that it was his "B" Visa that was canceled.
Not sure he's all that wealthy. The two houses were described as being very ordinary back of Sukhumvit of the village kind, with one in dire need of repair. And who knows whose money is invested in his businesses. Given who he knows in Russia I wouldn't think he would have had much trouble obtaining investors.
He has a long term contract with Deutsche Grammophon but classical music recording sales have been dismal for years and now for pop music the days of CDs are done, never mind classical. I'd think his major source of income is concerts. But to live the life of an eminent musician in Russia is not cheap.
-redwood
Posted 2010-07-30 23:29:47
ericthai, on 2010-07-30 18:37:58, said: ............ personally I believe he will pay the right people and get back in either here in Thailand or get a new passport in Russia with a different name. He has too much investment in Thailand to just walk away, just my thoughts
Think again - his photo has been published pretty widely. And what " investment" do you know of? His famed " sports stadium" and " mansions" may be worth US$100,000 at the most if he was very lucky.
Posted 2010-07-31 00:14:16
moskito, on 2010-07-30 14:32:22, said:
Does sombody here really belive this guy came back to Thailand if he is guilty? AND they let him out on bail if they have any proof? Sorry but then you are on a level behind thinking or just in LOS for too long.
Like I said many times before. I will never understand people publishing bullshit like this with full name and a picture, BEFORE the suspect (the word says it all) is PROOFED guilty!
Cancel my membership in TV Forum but if one is not allowed to say what he is thinking anymore dark times begin!
Whatever the truth is, guilty or not, it would have given him very bad press and people would think he did not come back because he is guilty and he would break bail rules (another problem)
Posted 2010-07-31 00:21:10
mark45y, on 2010-07-30 16:29:21, said:
moskito, on 2010-07-30 15:33:27, said:
I take no sides here and I hate foreigners coming to Thailand just for the small girls or even underaged girls or boys. I just hate the kind of false reports where Newspapers, Magazines and internet Forums make a guy guilty before he is proofed guilty. In my ten years here in Phuket I have never seen child abuse, except we are talking about some underaged 16 y.o. girls in Thai Karaoke Bars.
Btw, I find it annoying to see old fellas about 60-70 years of age walking around with a 18-20y.o. too in my opinion they are not much better as the pädophiles we talk often here in TV Forum
70 year old guy with a 20 year old woman. You compare to a pedophile! Do give us the benefit of your wisdom. How old should his woman be? Or maybe you think the old guy should shoot himself to save you having to look at him?
Maybe a sliding scale for dating old guys is in order. 70 years old guy no younger than 60 year old girlfriend.
There is a Thai guy who lives in Chiang Mai. He is a big wheel in Chiang Mai. He is at all the local functions. He is 60 years old and keeps 6, 18 year old women. Yup you read that right 6. He puts them up in one of his hotels and helps them through university. Yes they are all university students.
Is he a pedophile?
Maybe you should read a little about Thai history. He is following in the footsteps of many famous and important people in Thailand.
Take your culture and narrow mind back to where you came from. This is Thailand.
Old Thai saying, “when in the land of the squinty eyed people it is best to squint.”
The question here is "is he a pedophile in his mind?" By law he is not.
Posted 2010-07-31 03:09:25
mark45y, on 2010-07-30 16:29:21, said:
moskito, on 2010-07-30 15:33:27, said:
I take no sides here and I hate foreigners coming to Thailand just for the small girls or even underaged girls or boys. I just hate the kind of false reports where Newspapers, Magazines and internet Forums make a guy guilty before he is proofed guilty. In my ten years here in Phuket I have never seen child abuse, except we are talking about some underaged 16 y.o. girls in Thai Karaoke Bars.
Btw, I find it annoying to see old fellas about 60-70 years of age walking around with a 18-20y.o. too in my opinion they are not much better as the pädophiles we talk often here in TV Forum
70 year old guy with a 20 year old woman. You compare to a pedophile! Do give us the benefit of your wisdom. How old should his woman be? Or maybe you think the old guy should shoot himself to save you having to look at him?
Maybe a sliding scale for dating old guys is in order. 70 years old guy no younger than 60 year old girlfriend.
There is a Thai guy who lives in Chiang Mai. He is a big wheel in Chiang Mai. He is at all the local functions. He is 60 years old and keeps 6, 18 year old women. Yup you read that right 6. He puts them up in one of his hotels and helps them through university. Yes they are all university students.
Is he a pedophile?
Maybe you should read a little about Thai history. He is following in the footsteps of many famous and important people in Thailand.
Take your culture and narrow mind back to where you came from. This is Thailand.
Old Thai saying, “when in the land of the squinty eyed people it is best to squint.”
Actually this type of Poster wants to deny older men young female company,because they hate to see the woman they fancy not throwing themselves at them,its called: "good old fashioned Jealousy" or "you should have saved yourself for me syndrome"
Edited by MAJIC, 2010-07-31 03:33:42.
Posted 2010-07-31 03:22:52
A 70 year with an 18 year old is a happy old fool, having fun, with a willing free will ADULT partner. Such relationships don't belong anywhere near a discussion about pedophilia.
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Posted 2010-07-31 08:58:31
From what I recall without going back to verify details is he was brought to the attention of the BIB by a Thai guy who was taking care of one of his properties while he was away. This Thai guy was charged with pedophilia and had said something about a pedophile ring including the Russian guy which may or may not be true and could be for his own ass saving reasons. The only evidence shown to us was a photo of the Russian standing next to the boy in a normal no sexual pose which most of us have done over the years with many Thai people young and old.
Now they mention the charges against Pletnev were based on accounts provided by the boy's relatives, so is this a way for the BIB to save face?
As far as his house is concerned, it was a video of one room and a little bit of footage outside the front of his house which to me showed nothing really to gauge his financial status.
So about this the old guy young girl issue which has sprung up, the law of Thailand states that a person over the age of 16yrs old can have a relationship with someone of an age 16< but a person who pays for or prostitutes someone under the age of 18 can be liable for a 300,000 Bht fine and a 3yr stint in the Bkk Hilton. This is their law and it does not matter what your home country’s age of consent is as it does not apply here. If you feel it morally wrong don’t do it but do not try and make this out to be some kind of act of pedophilia.
Posted 2010-07-31 09:06:56
mark45y, on 2010-07-30 16:29:21, said:
moskito, on 2010-07-30 15:33:27, said:
I take no sides here and I hate foreigners coming to Thailand just for the small girls or even underaged girls or boys. I just hate the kind of false reports where Newspapers, Magazines and internet Forums make a guy guilty before he is proofed guilty. In my ten years here in Phuket I have never seen child abuse, except we are talking about some underaged 16 y.o. girls in Thai Karaoke Bars.
Btw, I find it annoying to see old fellas about 60-70 years of age walking around with a 18-20y.o. too in my opinion they are not much better as the pädophiles we talk often here in TV Forum
70 year old guy with a 20 year old woman. You compare to a pedophile! Do give us the benefit of your wisdom. How old should his woman be? Or maybe you think the old guy should shoot himself to save you having to look at him?
Maybe a sliding scale for dating old guys is in order. 70 years old guy no younger than 60 year old girlfriend.
There is a Thai guy who lives in Chiang Mai. He is a big wheel in Chiang Mai. He is at all the local functions. He is 60 years old and keeps 6, 18 year old women. Yup you read that right 6. He puts them up in one of his hotels and helps them through university. Yes they are all university students.
Is he a pedophile?
Maybe you should read a little about Thai history. He is following in the footsteps of many famous and important people in Thailand.
Take your culture and narrow mind back to where you came from. This is Thailand.
Old Thai saying, “when in the land of the squinty eyed people it is best to squint.”
I should read a little bit about Thai history? You answerd your questions by yourself, HE IS THAI.
Thaihystory says nothing about apreciation for foreigners coming to Thailand and taking schoolgirls home for sex.
May be I better had written schoolgirl, instead of 18-20
I just can hope you are not one of the old fellas, running around and tell everybody how much your 18y.o. loves you, 
But right, I remember when I was 20, I liked to make love to 60y.o, women, specially the kissing everywhere 
You guys give us all the bad reputation and THAILAND the bad reputation in the world as a country where the pedos are home. Have you ever thought that
a normal foreigner who comes here as a tourist, can not guess how old the girls really are? For them most of them the girls are looking like kids anyway.
To answer another question here about what I think how old the girl of a 70 y.o. should be. Whats wrong with 30 up ? or is there maybe really some dark side inside you?
Back to TOPIC:
I dont think that the guy came back to Thailand just because he was scared about his good reputation. If he was here before he know Thailaw at least a bit. So better a bad reputation as 20 years in Bangkok Hilton.
Posted 2010-07-31 09:13:50
MB1, on 2010-07-30 21:59:07, said:
kissrev1, on 2010-07-30 21:44:25, said:
"Proved," or "Proven," Not 'Proofed!' Honestly, folks! Please learn to write your own language!
You obviously understood what the post meant though, but as it seems you want to have a go at someones choice of word on the forum and correct them, why don't you learn to read English, a good place to start is the forum rules where it states....
Quote However English is not always the first language of our members so don't waste space correcting other members' grammar and spelling where it isn't necessary.
Al spilling, grandma mistsatkes corrict at tim of psoting.
THANXxx MB1 anyway, I will tyr harder to improVEN my english
Posted 2010-07-31 10:18:21
RKASA, on 2010-07-30 16:00:46, said:
moskito, on 2010-07-30 15:33:27, said:
I take no sides here and I hate foreigners coming to Thailand just for the small girls or even underaged girls or boys. I just hate the kind of false reports where Newspapers, Magazines and internet Forums make a guy guilty before he is proofed guilty. In my ten years here in Phuket I have never seen child abuse, except we are talking about some underaged 16 y.o. girls in Thai Karaoke Bars.
Btw, I find it annoying to see old fellas about 60-70 years of age walking around with a 18-20y.o. too in my opinion they are not much better as the pädophiles we talk often here in TV Forum
Well They may not be much better then pedo's ... but they are lucky - my wife won't allow it.
Age discrimination is easy when you are young.
Posted 2010-07-31 10:56:05
auscrank, on 2010-07-31 08:58:31, said:
From what I recall without going back to verify details is he was brought to the attention of the BIB by a Thai guy who was taking care of one of his properties while he was away. This Thai guy was charged with pedophilia and had said something about a pedophile ring including the Russian guy which may or may not be true and could be for his own ass saving reasons. The only evidence shown to us was a photo of the Russian standing next to the boy in a normal no sexual pose which most of us have done over the years with many Thai people young and old.
Now they mention the charges against Pletnev were based on accounts provided by the boy's relatives, so is this a way for the BIB to save face?
As far as his house is concerned, it was a video of one room and a little bit of footage outside the front of his house which to me showed nothing really to gauge his financial status.
Face saving? Quite possibly. Let's also remember that the Thai guy (the one who ran the internet cafe and allegedly the pedophile ring) has also admitted to police that he had sex with the Russian's accuser on at least 20 occasions - 20! So this 14-year old tells his relatives nothing about these 20 cases, nothing about the alleged offence by Pletnev in December, nothing about the alleged offence by Pletnev in February - and only tells them in April about the Russian. Presumably this was around the time that the police case against the internet cafe owner was heating up. So it's a legitimate question to ask once again: was the Russian's name offered up in some sort of deal to reduce his own punishment?
Posted 2010-07-31 11:08:06
Jingthing, on 2010-07-31 03:22:52, said:
A 70 year with an 18 year old is a happy old fool, having fun, with a willing free will ADULT partner. Such relationships don't belong anywhere near a discussion about pedophilia.
Absolutely right.
Posted 2010-07-31 11:10:14
MB1, on 2010-07-30 19:00:04, said:
ericthai, on 2010-07-30 18:37:58, said:
Just1Voice, on 2010-07-30 13:21:38, said:
Curiouser and Curiouser!
1) Original reports said he was arrested, and when police searched his house they DID find evidence of child porn, but now they say no evidence was found.
I never saw any reports that they found child porn at his house, from the first time I heard of this they said they searched his place with a search warrant and found nothing. If they would have found something then there would have been more charges added to his arrest.
As for this visa, guess you are not reading everything, he is out on bail and once everything is finalized then he will lose his visa and be blacklisted (however, personally I believe he will pay the right people and get back in either here in Thailand or get a new passport in Russia with a different name. He has too much investment in Thailand to just walk away, just my thoughts)
First report I saw and read was here on Thai Visa, have done a thread search and dug it out....
Opening post, a piece below...which states nothing suspicious was found...
http://www.thaivisa....thai-sex-probe/
Quote posted 2010-07-07 08:34
Russian conductor bailed in Thai sex probe: consulate
MOSCOW (AFP) -- Famed Russian conductor Mihkail Pletnev has been released on bail after Thai police searched his home in Thailand as part of a probe into paedophilia, the Russian consulate said Tuesday.
Pletnev, artistic director of the acclaimed Russian National Orchestra, was released on bail after the search in the Thai resort of Pattaya, Russian consular official in Thailand Andrei Dvornikov told RIA Novosti.
police informed Pletnev that some Thai citizens who had been arrested for paedophilia and producing child porn had given evidence against him," Dvornikov said.
The police conducted a search together with Pletnev of his house, where nothing suspicious was found," he added, saying Pletnev was currently at his home in Thailand.
Just1Voice is actually perfectly correct. The initial report carried by the Pattaya Daily News states the following - "Using a warrant, officers proceeded to search the suspect's residence, allegedly finding several hundred files, photos and videos on his home computer of child pornography and images of indecent acts with underage children."
http://www.pattayada...tution-network/
This was carried around the world, as evidenced by this article in Russia Today - "Pletnev was later escorted to his residence, where a search revealed a number of child pornography videos"
http://rt.com/Top_Ne...a-thailand.html
WIll a retraction be issued? Of course not. Too much loss of face!
Edited by Wozzit, 2010-07-31 11:11:03.
Posted 2010-07-31 12:52:23
Thanks, Wozzit.
I KNEW I had read that somewhere, but just couldn't remember where, and I'm not in the habit of posting things of that aren't factual in nature, unless I'm expressing a personal opinion about something.
Posted 2010-07-31 20:26:05
MB1, on 2010-07-30 19:09:47, said:
Tanaka, on 2010-07-30 19:05:06, said:
moskito, on 2010-07-30 15:33:27, said:
I take no sides here and I hate foreigners coming to Thailand just for the small girls or even underaged girls or boys. I just hate the kind of false reports where Newspapers, Magazines and internet Forums make a guy guilty before he is proofed guilty. In my ten years here in Phuket I have never seen child abuse, except we are talking about some underaged 16 y.o. girls in Thai Karaoke Bars.
Btw, I find it annoying to see old fellas about 60-70 years of age walking around with a 18-20y.o. too in my opinion they are not much better as the pädophiles we talk often here in TV Forum
Also another point if I may make it, some of the people who look and see and older guy with a young girl 18-20 years old, could infact be a lot older than she looks, also the young girl could be his daughter..
its nasty to see nonetheless. thais call 'em "tao hua ngoo" ...old snakeheads.
Posted 2010-07-31 20:49:15
gemini81, on 2010-07-31 20:26:05, said:
MB1, on 2010-07-30 19:09:47, said:
Tanaka, on 2010-07-30 19:05:06, said:
moskito, on 2010-07-30 15:33:27, said:
I take no sides here and I hate foreigners coming to Thailand just for the small girls or even underaged girls or boys. I just hate the kind of false reports where Newspapers, Magazines and internet Forums make a guy guilty before he is proofed guilty. In my ten years here in Phuket I have never seen child abuse, except we are talking about some underaged 16 y.o. girls in Thai Karaoke Bars.
Btw, I find it annoying to see old fellas about 60-70 years of age walking around with a 18-20y.o. too in my opinion they are not much better as the pädophiles we talk often here in TV Forum
Also another point if I may make it, some of the people who look and see and older guy with a young girl 18-20 years old, could infact be a lot older than she looks, also the young girl could be his daughter..
its nasty to see nonetheless. thais call 'em "tao hua ngoo" ...old snakeheads.
So look away if you don't like to look at it. It's none of your business anyway and certainly of no interest to the law.
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