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[Romanoeman]

Thai at Heart, on 2010-08-25 14:11:20, said:

Seems that Mr. Bout has just pulled his get out of jail card out his pocket, and realised it isn't worth what he was promised.

How exactly does one renege on a deal with the world's largest arms dealer?

You have to love the intrigue of politics in this country.

This is where the guy suddenly disappears!!!

[gemini81]

farangtopper1, on 2010-08-25 13:17:51, said:

Delay already. Very good I hope he is shipped to Russia and not to America.
Let America loose face. They make a mess of the whole world with their arms dealings and wars.
Somebody should put them in court!

we'll send him to your country instead then. when he starts selling arms again, don't bitch

[Johan78]

Excuse my ignorance but has this guy broken any American laws on American soil? If he has I say go for it, if not I find the American behaviour very distasteful.

[LaoPo]

animatic, on 2010-08-25 15:00:51, said:

Jingthing, on 2010-08-25 14:02:51, said:

The support here shown for this criminal from non-democratic Russia now run by the Putin dictator over democratic USA tells us more about the psychiatric sickness among the membership here rather than this specific case. Virulent hatred of America trumps reason it seems. BTW, the smart money is still on his extradition.

Gotta agree with you on this.
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I think the forum rules are quite clear, don't you think?

I would say that being in agreement with your fellow American member Jingthing, who claims that other members are psychiatric sick, is strong bashing and flaming, even without mentioning member names.

Member Jingthing is an opportunistic poster who screams and protests from the roofs if someone says something about the US, or Israel, but he does exactly the same about other countries like China and Russia himself.

But, you and him seem to forget about the rule:

7) Not to post slurs or degrading comments directed towards any group on  the basis of race, nationality, religion, gender or sexual orientation.


Pot Kettle Black.


LaoPo

[coastalmatty]

And how many of those countrys has the states supplied with weapons to fuel conflict, like they say its all politics.

[Renbe]

farangtopper1, on 2010-08-25 13:17:51, said:

Delay already. Very good I hope he is shipped to Russia and not to America.
Let America loose face. They make a mess of the whole world with their arms dealings and wars.
Somebody should put them in court!

America is the biggest arms dealer in the world. They sell anything to anybody. Remember the Iran - Contra scandal ?

Nobody got extradited for those arms shipments...

[Briggsy]

The greater the delays, the greater the bribes, backhanders, kickbacks, payments in kind & 'legal' fees are. At every step of the way in the legal process, people will expect to be paid from court clerks for admin services to prison guards for everything from edible food to air con cells to judges for a consideration of a motion.

Of course the political implications of this case mean the government will be extracting everything it can from both foreign govts and the Bout camp. It's been a 2-year jackpot bumper bonus payday. Why stop the party now?

[animatic]

Jingthing, on 2010-08-25 15:09:27, said:

alibaba007, on 2010-08-25 15:07:09, said:

Mr Viktor Bout is a terrorist because he sell arms to "terrorist" americans say.
Why not send Mr. Bush to The Hague International Criminal Court for the use of arms?

That's not really logical as a legal head of state has the right to wage legal wars, whatever they are. That said, I am sure there are war crimes charges that could be raised against Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld and as an American I would like to see them raised. Surprised? Still want this Russkie ALSO to face charges.

As another American I also wish these men could be charged with something.
They were and are an embarrassment to the nation, and a plague on the world.

[Tropicalevo]

dviol, on 2010-08-25 13:11:30, said:

Are we really so ignoreant that we'd care what the "US" agenda in this matter is?  Who cares at this point?  If he is truly the supplier of weapons to places like Sierra Leona and the Congo where mass rape, looting, and murder on a scale that parallel an epedemic occcur regularly, than who cares who wants him?  Let New Zealand arrest him for all I care.  

Do we as people turn a blind eye to genocide merely because we care who they killed or why?  Shame on you!  I don't care who his enemies are or what someone has on him; wholesale murder is wrong no matter who the target is.  Do you suggest otherwise????????????????

sedeflonga, on 2010-08-25 12:52:50, said:

The world is tired of the US trying to police the whole world.
Yes, it is possible that those weapons could be used to shoot
down an American helicopter, because the US is everywhere
where it thinks it has a 'right' to (whether that is true or not),
and there are most likely helicopters of them too.

As Henry Kissinger said:" The US has no friends, it only has interests!"

Well said

[Thai at Heart]

Bout going nowhere until October

From The Nation front page

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Bout's extradition delayed at least until early October

Thai authorities have postponed at least until early October the extradition of Viktor Bout, known as "Merchant of Death, to the United States," Voice of Russia reported Wednesday.

The news agency quoted Bout's lawyer Lak Nittiwattanawichan as saying that a Thai court will look into the US' accusations against Bout involving fraud and money laundering on October 4.

Lak said in an interview with the Voice of Russia that Bout would not be extradited at least until October 4.

Last Friday the Thai Court of Appeals ruled that Bout should be extradited to the United States on charges of illegal arms trade.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov earlier described the trial of Bout as having nothing to do with justice and driven by politics.

The United States has 90 days from the court decision to complete the extradition procedure.

Bout was arrested in Bangkok in 2008 for allegedly offering to sell missiles and other weapons to U.S. agents that would be used against U.S. targets.

The agents were posing as members of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, the FARC, a rebel group the U.S. considers to be a terrorist organization.

Bout is alleged to be one of the world's biggest suppliers of weapons, fueling dictators and wars across Africa, the Middle East, and South America.  He denies the accusation and maintains he ran a legitimate air cargo business.

I have a sneaking suspicion that he won't be leaving these shores for quite a while, and if he does, it is looking less and less unlikely to be to the US.  The Russians are more likely to bump him off in prison here than let him go to the US and spill his guts.  

88 days and counting............

Edited by Thai at Heart, 2010-08-25 23:30:42.

[LaoPo]

..Thailand and Russia showing their balls.

The continuing story of.....xxxx...only to be seen in Thailand  

LaoPo

[Thai at Heart]

LaoPo, on 2010-08-26 00:03:18, said:

..Thailand and Russia showing their balls.

The continuing story of.....xxxx...only to be seen in Thailand  

LaoPo

Precisely.  What a great saga.  I bet a few in the US Embassy are worried their careers are going down the tubes right now.  

If it was true that they tried to get Bout out onto a private jet, but the Thai police stopped it, I bet now they wish he had been allowed to go. Hadn't the embassy explained that 100 baht in your passport goes a long way in this country.

Whilst it is nice to get people like Bout off the street, one would imagine part of the plan wasn't having to deal with the Thai justice system.

As international espionage, gun running and entente cordial goes, this is hardly James Bond or Jason Bourne is it.  

Oh to be a fly on the wall in the US Embassy at the moment.  And the delicious irony of watching the Thai legal system adhering to the absolute letter, comma and semi-colon of the law is brilliant.  Hasn't the US Embassy heard of pastry boxes?

[daboyz1]

Thai at Heart, on 2010-08-26 00:15:58, said:

LaoPo, on 2010-08-26 00:03:18, said:

..Thailand and Russia showing their balls.

The continuing story of.....xxxx...only to be seen in Thailand  

LaoPo

Precisely.  What a great saga.  I bet a few in the US Embassy are worried their careers are going down the tubes right now.  

If it was true that they tried to get Bout out onto a private jet, but the Thai police stopped it, I bet now they wish he had been allowed to go. Hadn't the embassy explained that 100 baht in your passport goes a long way in this country.

Whilst it is nice to get people like Bout off the street, one would imagine part of the plan wasn't having to deal with the Thai justice system.

As international espionage, gun running and entente cordial goes, this is hardly James Bond or Jason Bourne is it.  

Oh to be a fly on the wall in the US Embassy at the moment.  And the delicious irony of watching the Thai legal system adhering to the absolute letter, comma and semi-colon of the law is brilliant.  Hasn't the US Embassy heard of pastry boxes?

[elcent]

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But the process has been held up because of new charges of  money-laundering and fraud announced by US prosecutors in February this  year, with another court hearing in Thailand set for October 4.

Suthep Thaugsuban, deputy prime minister in charge of national security,  said that the Thai Criminal Court would have to drop proceedings  relating to the new US charges before he can be handed over to the  United States.

"There are new charges that the United States filed and they are still  in court, so the prosecutor has to seek court approval to drop them and  we don't know what the court's decision will be," he told reporters.

Maybe I'm dumb, but I fail to see what the new charges, America has filed, have to do with another court hearing here now in October. It was decided on lesser reasons to extradite him. Obviously a kind of tricky when you ask me. This could well backfire on Thailand one day.

So the States could drop the money laundering case and fraud now and there he goes?

I expect a fair and transparent trial, where Mr. Bout has a chance to clear his name or face the music.

[LaoPo]

elcent, on 2010-08-26 00:42:26, said:

Maybe I'm dumb, but I fail to see what the new charges, America has filed, have to do with another court hearing here now in October. It was decided on lesser reasons to extradite him. Obviously a kind of tricky when you ask me. This could well backfire on Thailand one day.

So the States could drop the money laundering case and fraud now and there he goes?

I expect a fair and transparent trial, where Mr. Bout has a chance to clear his name or face the music.

Well, I don't think you're dumb.

The way I've understood the extra lawsuits the US filed against Bout have now backfired upon themselves since they gave the Thai juridical system "food" to reconsider and study all those lawsuits.

They were meant to try and get him on a plane to the US in case the other lawsuits failed. That's my understanding.

It must be busy behind the velvet curtains of the Thai government...a LOT of pressure from both sides, US and Russia.

It was a set-up from the beginning and I think Thailand regrets it very much now it let itself use by a foreign intelligence service

LaoPo

[hanssna]

Thai at Heart, on 2010-08-25 14:11:20, said:

Seems that Mr. Bout has just pulled his get out of jail card out his pocket, and realised it isn't worth what he was promised.

How exactly does one renege on a deal with the world's largest arms dealer?

You have to love the intrigue of politics in this country.

[hanssna]

good food for a new movie...

[webfact]

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Viktor Bout's extradition delayed at least until early October

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