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[Buchholz]

hayden5650, on 2010-08-31 13:58:58, said:

What's the problem? They each got just one stroke of the cane.

Actually, what you saw was 54 seconds of an ordeal that likely was much lengthier in time:

Art teacher Somchai Limthanmaporn was fired after he was exposed hitting at least 40 students

Nine News article
http://news.ninemsn....o-beat-students

Additionally, the other photo posted would indicate that the cycle of students was repeated. Either that of perhaps the multiple bruising was a result of:

a cane wrapped with electrical wire

same article link as above

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btw, a different 25-second snippet of the ordeal showing different students than the OP video is available on the link provided above.

[dvdcm]

MikeyIdea, on 2010-08-31 14:16:25, said:

LTGTR, on 2010-08-31 12:50:34, said:

So what's the problem?

1)  Your knowledge of the law in the country you live
2)   Your ability to feel empathy

Anyone else want to add more?

3) If you can endorse this sort of thing on the basis that "it didn't do me any harm" maybe it it did you more harm than you think.

[Arkady]

tka, on 2010-08-31 14:06:34, said:

the parents should track the sadistic bastard down and kick his arse in. Their are many forms of punishment that can be administered to unruly students but this A holes obvious pleasure in belting the kids in this manner does not belong in the classroom or any here near kids.If he did that to my kid I would ensure he paid the price.Not against a kid getting punished (by the parent) if their action is so severe it warrants it.

This won't happen because most of the parents agree with the teachers that caning is a good thing and many also beat their children at home.

Maybe the kids need to rebel themselves, since help from parents and the government is unlikely to be forthcoming.  I remember at my boarding school that the prefects in one house decided on a ritual house beating for three boys for an offence I can no longer remember (perhaps smoking or talking after lights out or something equally heinous). The boys were made to lean out of a window (in freezing weather) which was pulled down tight on their backs ostensibly to prevent movement.  Each prefect was entitled to deliver one stroke with a run up like a cricket bowler. There were 15 prefects in the house but three refused to participate, either because they disagreed with the verdict or sentence or because they disagreed with corporal punishment in general.  So the boys' sentence was effectively reduced to 12 strokes each.  The first two boys took their 12 strokes stoically and shook hands with all the beaters in the prescribed manner.  The third boy took his first two strokes and waited until the prefect he hated the most started his run up.  He then freed himself from the window frame and turned round with a cut throat razor opened in his hand to face his attacker who stopped in his tracks in utter terror.  It took all 12 of the prefects to subdue the boy who tried to lash out wildly at them with the razor.  The boy, who hated the school and had been asking his parents to take him away, was quietly expelled but the prefects were utterly humiliated and that was the last house beating ever attempted at the school.  Later on some prefects in another house were caught smoking and drinking in a study on their last night at the school by their house master. He returned a few minutes later with his cane and ordered the first offender to bend over.  The boy, who was a burly rugby forward burst out laughing, grabbed the cane, snapped it in two and handed it back to the startled house master who retreated in disarray back to his rooms without another word.  Of course the whole school got to know about this story and had a good laugh.

[Roachiebkk]

EODghost, on 2010-08-31 13:05:51, said:

sirchai, on 2010-08-31 12:53:39, said:

Canada, on 2010-08-31 12:09:49, said:

This teacher needs to be caned, publicly.

Would something like this happen to my son, I'd pay somebody to let him know what real pain is. He wouldn't be back at school. How can you call him a teacher?

Okay, let's face it. some teachers at elementary schools are using bamboo sticks to hit the little kids. But it's over at high school level.

I hope the students in this movie will find him in the middle of the night.

Good to have cell phones in the classroom.........

Except I wouldn't pay anyone, I would rather inflict the damage myself.  It would be swift and severe and people in Comas always have difficulty in pressing charges.

Ease up there son! Get him sacked, investigate to find out if the kids have been permanently damaged but your suggested violence and putting him in a coma seems a tad over reacting.

[Piengrudee]

I am assuming a student in the class took this photo with a cell phone. Cell phone is not allowed in school. He/she deserves to be caned.   (just a joke)

[Nick100]

God

(Smack)

Is

(Whack)

Love

(Crack)

Gotta love that affirming, nurturing, religious-based teaching. That said I got the slipper once whilst at school and the headmaster informed my parents prior. They supported him in his actions. I learnt from it and behaved better as a result.

Thai kids are usually pretty well behaved so this IS shocking. UK kids on the other hand... put 'em in the stocks I say.

[Milo]

Buchholz, on 2010-08-31 14:35:51, said:

hayden5650, on 2010-08-31 13:58:58, said:

What's the problem? They each got just one stroke of the cane.

Actually, what you saw was 54 seconds of an ordeal that likely was much lengthier in time:

Art teacher Somchai Limthanmaporn was fired after he was exposed hitting at least 40 students

Nine News article
http://news.ninemsn....o-beat-students

Additionally, the other photo posted would indicate that the cycle of students was repeated. Either that of perhaps the multiple bruising was a result of:

a cane wrapped with electrical wire

same article link as above

---------------------------------------------------------

btw, a different 25-second snippet of the ordeal showing different students than the OP video is available on the link provided above.

The cane will often bounce off & whip back in experienced hands, causing 2-3 bruises per stroke. They look worse than they are, trust me   The main deterrent is when the offender returns to school and shows classmates. The day after being caned is bad, 3days later a minor irritation and pretty much gone after a week, except for the technicolour welts!

[Somtamnication]

I videotaped one Thai teacher canning tens of Mathayom students. He came into my classroom and demanded that I delete it. I "deleted" it. One day, I will publish it. The teachers at my school are brutal.

[Piengrudee]

selavy59, on 2010-08-31 13:03:06, said:

Whilst I was working as a teacher at a catholic school near Bangkok I witnessed a female teacher caning 3 boys in the staff room. There were lots of other teachers in the staff room and no one batted an eye lid - except for me.

   For Pleasure? Caning as pleasure probably began when canings were given as punishments. Mrs. Berkely in Georgian England invented an apparatus for caning and whipping at her "berkely horse" (actually a tilted frame). She made a fortune from it's use. Prostitutes in England (male and female) still use the cane regularly.

[jacobus]

wjhall, on 2010-08-31 13:28:42, said:

Have people forgotten that until 30 odd years ago caning was common place in English schools and was completely acceptable.  In my view caning , properly carried out, never did anyone any harm. I was caned myself on several occasions and believe it taught me the right lesson. The threat of the cane often acted as  a deterrent without it being needed to be carried out.  Since corporal punishment was banned in English schools discipline has become a major problem as teachers have few ways to punish pupils and even have to ask parents permission before giving a detention.


Some of the yobs in our societies today would have benefited from a good caning in their youth!!!

Well said.  I agree wholeheartedly.  

Of course, some people will go over the top and become abusive, but to say that the teacher (or even the parents, as in Western countries) must never spank the children is throwing out the baby with the bathwater.  The old saying spare the rod and spoil the child has a lot of truth to it.  As with anything, extremes are not good, but judicious use of corporal punishment can be very beneficial.  

What's really sick and abusive is the trend in western countries over the last few decades to drug the "troublesome children" with dangerous drugs like ritalin.

[Piengrudee]

Somtamnication, on 2010-08-31 14:53:07, said:

I videotaped one Thai teacher canning tens of Mathayom students. He came into my classroom and demanded that I delete it. I "deleted" it. One day, I will publish it. The teachers at my school are brutal.

  . How can you publish it, when you have already "deleted" it?

[starcatcher]

I'm wondering that there not happens more.

To be honest, I never would be a teacher here in Thailand for teaching this (mostly) spoiled little monsters.

I like kids. And I hate any violence. But how many children here get treated and spoiled (like little kings) is also not normal. And not only this. Many of the children here are also already ice-cold liars when 6 or 7 years old.

Just sit for one hour in front of a 7/11 and you will see, how most children force their parents to buy something. And later, when they are teenagers and have problems - what's the value of a life when having an argue?

[kokesaat]

I'm with the others for a return to segregated schools, slavery, death by hanging, prohibition, teeth pulling without Novocain, mustard gas, along with a few more A-bombs for countries that don't toe the line.  After all, it was done before, so it must be okay to do now.  I'll bet you wouldn't say that if that was your child in the video.  Sick sick sick! but according to my neighborhood pharmacist whose mother is a primary school teacher, not as uncommon as you'd like to think.

[marquess]

Big deal we were canned at school when we did something wrong and we all had the utmost respect for the Brothers who ran  the school and most teachers. Though there were one or two who abused it, on the whole it did a lot of people good! Look at all the "Child Centred" education in the UK now, teachers being beaten up by pupils and parents doing the same. This could never have happened when I was at school.

[rich54321]

Cane him in front of the school and the district - then jail him for assault on the kids

[def2708]

it s a thai family who s got 4 kids
dad and mum think what s going to be their job later in life
1 st one very smart:          oh,he  should be a doctor
2 nd is normal smart:           she  should be a nurse
3rd a bit less smart :he should be police man
the last one is really stupid:             oh he WILL  be a teacher....

the worst thing:   it s true.....

[Buchholz]

Milo, on 2010-08-31 14:46:54, said:

Buchholz, on 2010-08-31 14:35:51, said:

hayden5650, on 2010-08-31 13:58:58, said:

What's the problem? They each got just one stroke of the cane.

Actually, what you saw was 54 seconds of an ordeal that likely was much lengthier in time:

Art teacher Somchai Limthanmaporn was fired after he was exposed hitting at least 40 students

Nine News article
http://news.ninemsn....o-beat-students

Additionally, the other photo posted would indicate that the cycle of students was repeated. Either that of perhaps the multiple bruising was a result of:

a cane wrapped with electrical wire

same article link as above

---------------------------------------------------------

btw, a different 25-second snippet of the ordeal showing different students than the OP video is available on the link provided above.

The cane will often bounce off & whip back in experienced hands, causing 2-3 bruises per stroke.  

That's one heck of a ricochet or "bounce":



Thai Rath newspaper (article in Thai)
http://www.thairath....t/region/107369

[Roachiebkk]

We had a Vice Principal who used to broadcast the beating over the school PA and if he really felt it necessary would leap from his chair in his swing of the strap down on the boy's hand or hands, sometimes he wouldn't stop until all the boys being punished were in tears and sobbing over the PA, not everybody cried though and this made him even more upset. A novel method the sheetmetal teacher had was to get the boy to bend from the hips so they unkowingly had the back of their head just under the rim of the bench, the teacher would then slap the cane down on the bench instead of the kids arse making  him panic, bring up his head and whack it on the bench. The teacher never wanted to be known as someone who would actually hit a boy. Pretty horrible stuff even in those days, no effect on me (except for the leather underwear and whips in the closet)

[geovalin]

Mobile phone = the end of abuse

[sausageandmash]

Oh, come on. One belt with a cane for each student hardly constitutes abuse.

I went to St Christopher's school in Hove, England between 1978 and 1982. My brother and I were always sent to the headmaster's study for a caning. We got three whacks with the cane. I clearly remember my brother, after receiving a caning, walking back down the stairs shouting "it didn't hurt". He did this 3 or times in a row before going back to his class.

But there was a teacher there called Peter Ezra, who definately DID abuse some of the boys there. Here is what I witnessed:

1)  Knocking a boy's head against a wall repeatedly

2)  Bringing a heavy desk lid down on a boy's arm, breaking it (the arm, not the desklid).

3)  He made me stand on a stool to write something on the blackboard. He then smacked me very hard across the face, sending me flying off the stool.

4)  I also saw him get a boy to kneel down on the floor, but balancing on his kneecaps - which is very hard to do without your hands on the floor to balance yourself.

There are kids, especially in Thailand, who need a slap now and again. However, it has to be adminstered in private, not with other teachers or students looking on.

There has been a typically stupid knee-kerk reaction in the UK. Now teachers can do hardly anything to control badly behaved kids - it's definately gone the other way.

phazey, on 2010-08-31 13:18:20, said:

The bruises on the kids were horrendous This was not discipline, but serious abuse taking place.

[AleG]

Ah yes, teach children that violence is the way to solve conflicts, disputes and assert authority. I don't see how that could lead to any problems later on, no?  

[lioness]

Barbaric, and never mind that caning etc used to be accepted in UK schools, control by fear  is not how I would want my child dealt with.

There are other ways of dealing with wayward or naughty children that are far more effective,without the use of corporal punishment.

[joboss]

lioness, on 2010-08-31 15:23:37, said:

Barbaric, and never mind that caning etc used to be accepted in UK schools, control by fear  is not how I would want my child dealt with.

There are other ways of dealing with wayward or naughty children that are far more effective,without the use of corporal punishment.

Can u expand on that?
I am open to ideas.

[Deeral]

"I was caned and it did me no harm"
(Apart from the fact I like beating children myself)

[newcanexpat41]

This guy is a retard and out of control. The problem with teachers administering corporal punishment is that the student already has you so aggrivated that you are unable to control yourself. You may not understand how hard you are actually hitting. Now in the case of small children you run the risk of hurting them pretty badly. I taught in a catholic school in thailand and I saw hitting with fists, and canes. And this school was a primary school. I often heard that dull "thud" of a hand being delivered to the middle of a students back. Thats a dangerous area when you consider its aprimary school student and a pissed off teacher. The teacher runs the risk of seriously hurting a small child.

Now I will be the first to admit that these kids are often out of control and could probably use a good one now and then. However, it is against the law.

I have found much better ways of dealing with matiyome students who want to challenge authority.....such as making them do push ups until they almost vomit! One or two of those sessions and they rarely challenge me again. Or standing on the  tips of  toes and not leting them rest their heels on the ground for about 2-3 minutes.....that will break the will of even the most rebellious fairly fast. No need for hitting or violence.