Thank you for admitting that you don't know anything about who is responsible for these killings.
Make of this what you may.
The best part of the youtube video is the description provided of the video:
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Now please instead of trying to be clever can you confirm you believe it may not have been the army, and that you believe it may have been a 3rd element as like i say i love a conspiracy theory, please put your head above the parapet as i have.
Why would I choose to look silly by trying to speculate on killings that are inconclusive as to who the perpetrators are. You know, you don't have to guess at something simply because the answer is unknown.
I do note, however, your backtracking from your earlier definitive answer as to who is responsible and that is a bit more commendable.
There were videos from France24 at the time showing soldiers shooting into this crowd and then he along with many others die, there was plenty of exceptionally strong circumstantial evidence at the time .... but my lack of courtroom and non corrupt police to gather evidence has made it difficult for me to prove outright.
Make of this what you may.
Now please instead of trying to be clever can you confirm you believe it may not have been the army, and that you believe it may have been a 3rd element as like i say i love a conspiracy theory, please put your head above the parapet as i have.
Had a look at some of the clips again. Mostly 10th of April I think. They are put up by someone who wants to emphasize the 'army shooting / reds die-ing'. Missing are the clips with the 'black shirts', 'soldiers shot' and 'colonel & staf murdered in grenade attack'.
Also nothing on the fact that the clearing of the area went 'rather' peacefully till the point unknowns started shooting both red-shirts and soldiers.
Can you 100% confirm who fired the shot that killed the guy with the flag?
No but i believe ballistic experts claimed the type of bullet that would have done that to his head was that used by the military. But are you insinuating the reds shoot their own supporters, as lets be honest that claim is ridiculous.
Come on there was more then enough footage of soldiers shooting unarmed people for you not to be so silly and accept they shot at unarmed people.
There is a history of the state and army killing unarmed innocent people why is it this time that dumb foreigners think the protesters would be shooting on their own people.
But come on let me know i love a good conspiracy theory.
There is enough footage of red shirts firing guns (particularly on that night) that leaves this open to speculation. Even in THAT particular video there is a suspicious guy walking out from the building with something in his hands and people watching him (including the flag guy).
Just because the army had guns and a guy gets shot does not automatically mean the army shot him. You don't even know where he is in relation to the army, so you can only be speculating about how he died.
There were videos from France24 at the time showing soldiers shooting into this crowd and then he along with many others die, there was plenty of exceptionally strong circumstantial evidence at the time .... but my lack of courtroom and non corrupt police to gather evidence has made it difficult for me to prove outright.
Make of this what you may.
Now please instead of trying to be clever can you confirm you believe it may not have been the army, and that you believe it may have been a 3rd element as like i say i love a conspiracy theory, please put your head above the parapet as i have.
Red shirts were shooting at the army, and the army were shooting back. Red shirt protesters died because of it. Whether the shot came from the army or the red shirts is still unknown.
I do note, however, your backtracking from your earlier definitive answer as to who is responsible and that is a bit more commendable.
No backtracking there is was enough circumstantial evidence for me to believe that he was shot by the army, and that the army shot and killed unarmed protesters.
Or are you trying to tell me i need a video following the bullet as basically this is the only evidence one could have to be absolutely certain.
Red shirts were shooting at the army, and the army were shooting back. .
Hang on do you have actual evidence of this?
Anyway i couldnt overly careless about Thais or Thailand, but this army and establishment have time and time again shot and killed their own unarmed citizens.
I do note, however, your backtracking from your earlier definitive answer as to who is responsible and that is a bit more commendable.
No backtracking there is was enough circumstantial evidence for me to believe that he was shot by the army, and that the army shot and killed unarmed protesters.
Or are you trying to tell me i need a video following the bullet as basically this is the only evidence one could have to be absolutely certain.
As for that 10th of April during that terrible afternoon / evening not only the army was shooting. Some rifles were taken from them during the melee. Armed black-shirt were seen shooting. That's why in the case you mention more definite proof is necessary. What you want to believe is yours, your opinion is yours, but not necessarily correct.
I do note, however, your backtracking from your earlier definitive answer as to who is responsible and that is a bit more commendable.
No backtracking there is was enough circumstantial evidence for me to believe that he was shot by the army, and that the army shot and killed unarmed protesters.
Or are you trying to tell me i need a video following the bullet as basically this is the only evidence one could have to be absolutely certain.
There are thousands of people the world over that have been convicted of murder without "a video following the bullet".
Ideally, they are convicted on more than the "circumstantial evidence" that so easily convinces you.
Do you have a name for the specific soldier you are convicting or will just anyone in the Army do? Sorry to be so nitpicky as to actually request something a tad more finite than "the Army did it."
Anyway i couldnt overly careless about Thais or Thailand
Having re-read this topic and replies I noticed in reply #10 you said
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I can confirm 100% seeing a guy flying a flag who was of no threat shot in the head, his head melted im sure many on here saw it, there was the nurse and those in the temple these are the higher profile MURDERS.
It may have put me off track, it suggest you were there that fateful night. That doesn't seem to match with the first quote.
QUESTION: were you present at the Khok Wua intersection, Fan Pha bridge or other places where and when the army tried to evict the protesters ?
(reason edit: more clearly specify location)
As expected, no asnwer, therefor I have to conclude our distinguished member 'Englander' has only seen the video clips as many of us have. The youtube link he provided earlier points to a couple of clips only collected to show the reds were mistreated. That totally ignores non-reds killed, like soldiers, a colonel with staff, the lady at BTS Saladaeng, etc. End-of-discussion.
rubl, on 2010-09-06 08:12:10, said:
Englander, on 2010-09-06 00:49:30, said:
Anyway i couldnt overly careless about Thais or Thailand
Having re-read this topic and replies I noticed in reply #10 you said
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I can confirm 100% seeing a guy flying a flag who was of no threat shot in the head, his head melted im sure many on here saw it, there was the nurse and those in the temple these are the higher profile MURDERS.
It may have put me off track, it suggest you were there that fateful night. That doesn't seem to match with the first quote.
QUESTION: were you present at the Khok Wua intersection, Fan Pha bridge or other places where and when the army tried to evict the protesters ?
(reason edit: more clearly specify location)
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Englander, on 2010-09-05 20:11:56, said:
